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Let's have a discussion about Police Officers

There is much prejudice and hate in this world, for many groups of people, and cops are right near the top of this group. We have all seen or experienced "bad" cops. There are numerous videos of police brutality. It is a real problem. It is natural to dislike or fear people who have power, especially when they abuse it.

There seems to be a general dislike for cops around here. Personally, it concerns me because if I were a cop, and I was just on the brink of waking up to the liberty message, why would I spend my time here reading post after post about how terrible of a person I am? Cops also have to deal with the reality of bad cops, who give all cops a bad name. But at the end of the day, we NEED them to be on our side. We need them to be a part of this movement. Think of all the good they could do!

Wouldn't it be amazing if most police officers were Oathkeepers? How can we welcome them to our team with this kind of attitude towards them?

I would like the discussion to be geared towards perhaps finding a common ground with officers. They have just as much at stake as we do in this battle for getting our country back. What can we personally do to integrate more of them into liberty ideas?



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Are you suggesting

that no peace officer are condemning the wrongs performed by bad cops?

....where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is LIBERTY. 2 Corinthians 3:17(b)

***wants are unlimited, means are scarce...***

ecorob's picture

YES...

That is EXACTLY what I'm suggesting.

How many good cops were in Boston a couple of weeks ago?

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Condemnation and acting on it are two different things.

If none of the "good cops" ever move to arrest the bad ones, how "good" are they really?

meekandmild's picture

As a former police officer

In the police academy they teach you how to coerce and trick people to give up their constitutional rights, they never mention that you take an oath to support and defend the constitution of the united States and of your State. they teach you how to find loopholes to get around constitutional law.
You are taught that you work for the state, county, city; you are never told you actually work for "We the People".

I Don't know what academy you graduated from

or when but I graduated from a police academy a few years ago and they never thought us how to coerce and trick people to give up their constitutional rights.. They thought us what we can and can't do and stressed ETHICS. Our instructors warned us against lying and breaking rules and procedures and stressed keeping our oath.

ecorob's picture

I like you, m&m...

You have good karma.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Don't know where you were a police officer

but as a peace officer in Wyoming, we have that discussion literally EVERY DAY. I know, because in the past I used to have to start most of them, but now I am just part of them.

There are people in law enforcement who (IMO) don't belong there, but those are far from the majority. It is the responsibility of those of us who believe in Liberty to lead by example and demand adherence to the Oath we take.

Yes, there are too many abuses by police officers all over the country, but to read many of these posts you might believe there are NO Liberty Minded, Constitutionally focused Peace Officers serving "We the People"... and probably why most don't spend much time on our pages... why would they?

....where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is LIBERTY. 2 Corinthians 3:17(b)

***wants are unlimited, means are scarce...***

Thank you for your part in protecting the Liberty of The People

by starting conversations and taking part in conversations. IMO talking and discussing is the way to Liberty. Too much is left unsaid and un thought about. Ron Paul was about education and action. It sounds to me like you do the same!

So, like we say to our military folks. Thank you for your services. I would like to say, "Thank you for your service, day in and day out. One never knows what a day will bring, and still you show up. Thank you."

It is a concern to me that perhaps public support is being purposefully removed from the foundation to pillars that hold up a free society. Respect and regard for our those that serve is, to me, one of those pillars whose foundation is being erroded.

Some how we need to figure out how to get the bad apples out without pulling the whole pillar down.

My thoughts and words on the subject.

:)

ecorob's picture

You had me right up to the last sentence...

When your true persona showed through.

You couldn't just leave it at, we try, could you?

You had to wax all, "holier than thou", didn't you?

Your karma is sketchy, at best.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

I can help this, but when did God die and make you Karma Judge?

Is it OK to judge others as long as one is only judging their karma and not them?

:)

This might be the problem then - some states, cities, or

departments have fostered the wrong culture and now the bad cops are doing the training.

How to fix that?

All the good cops, if there are any in that department, MUST take physical action and see to it that those who violate laws and rights are arrested for such acts.

If you guys can think up another way to clean up the rotten apples, please commence with all haste.

To apprehend an individual

To apprehend an individual that has infringed upon another individuals life, liberty, or property.

That's all I want or need from you police that FORCE me to pay your salaries. Basically if you're doing anything but that one and only job your just another useless criminal that I must try my best to avoid.

If you initiate harm against an individual that has harmed no one you are just a criminal, I don't really care what kind of costume you got on.

ecorob's picture

best reply i've read yet to this post...

and i would like to say I support this comment above all others...even MY previous ones!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Phxarcher87's picture

We all need forgivness

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FYwyKfLdxo

One of the biggest pitfalls in a "movment" is the temptation to get cultish about it and refuse to realize that it is only part of the picture. -Joel Salatin ; You Can Farm pg 202

wrong targets

I understand that some people believe the revolution is on and baiting cops is part of the nonviolent resistance movement. But they are the wrong targets. We should be going after media, bureaucrats, politicians, and statist organizations. They are the enemy. The cops are just guys doing their jobs, mostly from the working class, under considerable stress, and working for moderate salaries. The oligarchy is the enemy, not the cops.

Oh please.

I really don't want to hear about a cop's 'meager' salary. Or any public servant, for that matter.

No.7's picture

You should target anyone who talks to you

There is no wrong target my friend.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

Here Here

It has always made me uncomfortable as well and I was having some discussion with friends about it today. It seems that some of us view cops as "the government" while others of us see them as community law enforcement. I think they are on our side.

Well here's a start

"How can we welcome them to our team with this kind of attitude towards them?"

Well we could start, when we are pulled over by NOT saying something like

WHY DID YOU PULL ME OVER YOU FASCIST CREEP USURPER TRAITOR TO THE REPUBLIC AM I FREE TO GO? WHY NOT? WHAT'S YOUR PROBABLE? I KNOW THE LAW YOU PIRATE NAZI DEGENERATE EVIL SATANIC SELLOUT PERVERSION OF ALL HUMAN VALUES YOU FILTH, YOU TRASH!

when the guy just wanted to know about our Ron Paul stickers.

Oh and don't forget to put on your highest, whiniest, most shrill and high volume pansy act you ever saw on the Carol Burnett Show. Yup, men, that's your chance to act like your aunts Nervous Nellie and Naughty Nancy.

Gee did I just imply you cop haterz are women? Women I sincerely apologise....for men that don't know how to act like men.

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

deacon's picture

nice wide brush you have

ask yourself a few questions
if gov's have no authority over people
seeing people are the gov,then how can they give authority they did not have to another agency?
can the term cops, law enforcement or even peace officer found in the const?
or how about this one,if there is no victim then there is no crime
how many cops create the victims,or assume that role?
how many tickets are handed out each year that HAVE NO VICTIM?
hate cops,no,hate their unauthorized authority over a free people
plus this,the supreme ruled their role is NOT to protect us,the public
then just what is role that we pay for?

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Yeah well I didn't wanna be exclusive

Deacon I'm not sure what your point is but it's established:

YOU AND ME AIN'T FIGHTING EVER.

Debate, as always, is welcome.

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

Informed Patriots

Personally I am aware of several law enforcement organizations which show some of the finest qualities of law enforcement. Groups such as Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP) or Law Enforcement for 9/11 Truth detail some of the issues that we all share in this movement. I think well-informed truth seekers are already aware that there is good on all sides of this mess and that no single group can be singled out as the enemy and that includes lawmakers. There are congressmen and women and members of the Senate that are of the right mindset and there are fine examples of them on video and transcript. One senator came out with a press release that told us that we are all correct and that we are opposed by a conspiracy involving the banking centers and many corporations. "There are other forces at work here besides the will of evil." To be well-informed you must see it as well.

Our task is to enforce the constitution. Law enforcement should be at the front line of that mission but we do not control law enforcement. The money holders do.

I guess

I guess I would have a better attitude with Police officers, if they didn't spend so much time shaking me down for cash all of the time. Like this one, for instance - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWk1_Tgj-Fo&list=UUK7Q9Kl6xWp...

this doesnt help

Thats a prime example of getting nothing accomplished. You made that officer a target of your frustration, almost hoping he would actually violate you innapropriately. You tried to bait him and he didn't take it. Now dont get me wrong, I absolutely agree with why you were angry. Tint laws are stupid and frankly, registration laws are just another tax on all of us. The amounts of fines are also rediculous. So if those two laws didn't exist, you would not have been stopped. You have the legislature to blame and the people who were the ones running to them to make these laws in the first place. It's also my understanding that it was the individual police officer who forced the quota laws to change. I wouldnt say most officers, but many are like me, in preferring to deal with real crime instead of screwing around enforcing nonsensical "crimes" like tint. There are way to many traffic laws. I will add that officers are the ones that have to fight the local Chiefs, Mayors, police commissioners and their like when it comes to writing tickets. They are the ones who demand the revenue rise. We receive no benefit from it. Although there is no legal quota, there are of course "performance evaluations" so look at the older cops with no rank to see who are not concerned with those evaluations and there youll probably find some who will be open to liberty and the methods needed to aquire it. Im sorry you got not one but two tickets but Im glad this wasnt a video where you were sworn at or beaten up. No one deserves that. Im also glad he didn't start up on you for fiddling around with something as you noticed he was coming to your passenger side instead of the driver side and you needed to switch the camera. That was funny.

ecorob's picture

you sound like a jerk to me...

all you need is the riot gear!

put that on your photo...as i'm sure you have it!

btw, how many "real crimes" did you deal with today and how many "revenue collecting" tickets did you issue?

real as in "live" and not after the fact?

thats right, NONE, ZERO, ZILCH, NADA! they have swat for that and you, my witless friend, are a simple revenue collector...

when you are not bullying people, that is...

your kind, yeah, your kind (in general) have a LOT of ground to make up...lets start by seeing how you react here

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Man, I look for no fight, I

Man, I look for no fight, I know it's easy to make assumptions about what a person looks like in a photo. I assure you, I do not intend to be a jerk to anyone, especially here. All in all we are looking for the same things, I think. If Ive come across as harsh, well I apologize. I am merely giving a seldom seen point of view. I know my profession has devolved in many ways, but I also know there are many who can hold their heads high and if you'd know them like I do, you'd understand. I have never worn riot gear and never needed to, only because of geographic location I suspect and I dont fancy myself wearing it. As for today, I was off but the last day I worked I did arrest a young man for stealing hundreds of dollars from his volunteer fire company's charity fund. I wrote no tickets but observed numerous violations. None of those violations were such that they were dangerous moving violations that could cause a crash or I would have stopped and had a talk with them. If they seemed to be understanding and remorseful, a warning would have possibly sufficed. I had a talk with a few children about not throwing rocks near the street, went to a suicide and generally had a lousy day, which is predictable. I also conciously have never been a bully. I dislike bullies but even they can be changed with kindness. That is something I know and youll have to take my word for it. Sounding like a jerk and being one are two different things. I apologize to you for sounding like one.

You are so honorable,

that was a very kind response, and you didn't owe him that. He came out looking like the jerk, as usual.

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

Im much too humble to accept

Im much too humble to accept that word to decribe me, but thanks anyway. Im sure he's probably endured some abuses and if getting on me helps, I dont mind. Ive heard worse and I'd have responded differently if what he said was the truth about me. He's just venting. I wish I could meet him and find some common ground. Im sure I could learn some things from him too, hes not my enemy and he knows Im not his. I chose to put myself out there by posting that picture and Im willing to defend myself and help some people stop viewing police as the biggest villains, despite the horror stories I know exist. We do need to hear them, we also need to bring them toward us for there own good and for our own. Liberty cannnot flourish amongst the divided. Thank you for bringing up the topic, that was brave of you.

You

really are a kind man, and I only said what I said because all I have ever seen of that poster is that he is in constant attack mode. We've all had bad experiences in life, but some of us can speak to others with respect, and some can't.

I agree we need discussion about this but there was just no need for him to come at you like that. You've been nothing but kind and respectful here, and I hope a few minds have been opened.

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

I hope so too.

I hope so too.