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Let's have a discussion about Police Officers

There is much prejudice and hate in this world, for many groups of people, and cops are right near the top of this group. We have all seen or experienced "bad" cops. There are numerous videos of police brutality. It is a real problem. It is natural to dislike or fear people who have power, especially when they abuse it.

There seems to be a general dislike for cops around here. Personally, it concerns me because if I were a cop, and I was just on the brink of waking up to the liberty message, why would I spend my time here reading post after post about how terrible of a person I am? Cops also have to deal with the reality of bad cops, who give all cops a bad name. But at the end of the day, we NEED them to be on our side. We need them to be a part of this movement. Think of all the good they could do!

Wouldn't it be amazing if most police officers were Oathkeepers? How can we welcome them to our team with this kind of attitude towards them?

I would like the discussion to be geared towards perhaps finding a common ground with officers. They have just as much at stake as we do in this battle for getting our country back. What can we personally do to integrate more of them into liberty ideas?

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Never researched that...

...although I've been told about it. How do you find out if they are O.K.? The small town where I used to live, they were horrible and violated almost everyone's rights in the town whenever they felt like it. People even drove around the town taking a longer way to their destination in order to avoid them. They would even stop people just asking "I wanted to see who was driving this car". They would also storm into many peoples home with only a mere suspicion. It was unbelievable! Now, the county I live in, they are so much more respectful of people and their rights! They give cops a good name and the respect is given back to them 10 fold. They are great here...deserving of the respect I had lost in the past town. Truly they must be O.K. and "peace officers".

Ask them

Every OathKeeper I've ever spoken to, was very proud of their affiliation and rightly so.

Never know, you may get a chance to spark up a conversation about the group that may inspire an interest.

They are one of the front lines and we need all we can get.

Patriot Cell #345,168
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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Thanks!

I get to see them every so often and a two are high up in our families friends. I will do so! It seems to me that Sherrifs' have the peaceful demeanor.

You said it, bro.

I am having a hell of time time getting these paid oafs to understand their purpose.

I know some good ones, but they are few and far between.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Same here.. I met one when I was traveling, a good one, when

I was young.. I won't go into details for various reasons but I have never forgotten that older peace officer because of the respect he showed for my rights and the way he treated me..

When I see people like LT, granted I don't know the guy, but he comes off as that older peace officer.

So anyway, I know there are good peace officers out there, and probably more than I think but we are a long way from Kansas, in that department, in general.

Edit: Beside, I like LT's colorful language lol.. What was it he said? "You can go pound sand up your ass" or something along that line to someone today lol

Sorry, I blew a stitch over that for some reason. :)

Patriot Cell #345,168
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

LMAO...

If you think that one was funny, stay tuned, one never knows what may fly off the el-tee's keyboard. :)

There ARE good Peace Officers out there, however they are vastly outnumbered by the mindless type who merely enforce whatever law is passed into statute.

They have been trained and conditioned, in a broad general sense, to be more aggressive, more demanding, more authoritative and more 'enforcement oriented'.

Keeping the peace and diffusing problems, avoiding enforcement action unless required, only arresting individuals who commit individual bad-acts, all this is looked upon as being non-productive (as if cops should be 'productive'---spew) and lazy. Numbers of stops, arrests, self-generated activity are now frequently the measure of 'good performance'.

Top that off with a smaller percentage with actual focused intent to BE aggressive and draconian, and viola, you have a broad picture of policing.

I see nothing improving, but, rather, I see a steady and accelerating slide in policing more and more to jackbootery and thuggishness, all with a mantle of patriotism, 'community service' and an expectation for adulation and respect from society...

I don't know how you feel about this..

but many people are depending on people like you to be that voice. We can see what we see but people like you know the truth because you're inside.

We are all responsible for our own Liberty but it really helps to have the information so we can make the best decision, so thank you Lt.

Edit: You must be somewhat aware of this because you ARE and OatheKeeper after all. :)

Patriot Cell #345,168
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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

"Cops also have to deal with the reality of bad cops,

... who give all cops a bad name." But they all stick together like glue with their Code of Silence bullfunky. Screw cops.

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

Look, it's absolutely no excuse and they deserve to be

bashed for their misdeeds..but, they do have a shitty job. That doesn't mean, I'm going to go easy on them.

Patriot Cell #345,168
I don't respond to emails or pm's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Detroit cops...

...are the ones that really have it difficult. Their lives are in danger every second along with every citizen there. Most of it seems to be drug related crimes. Wonder...war on drugs?! Yeah, right.

Jackiek

You're making assumptions here and stating non-truths.

Assumption - most cops are good people.
Some are good people, the majority are not. Most become cops as a result of not being able to do something safer for more money, or because they're A holes and enjoy jerking folks around.

As a result of 9-11 and the drug war, all the typical idiot american zombies think we need MORE cops or we'll ALL DIE!!!!
SO,
their authority and place in society becomes magnified, thus throwing gasoline on the fire of borderline criminals/psychopaths(many cops).

We have no common ground with many of them JackieK. And YES they WILL confiscate your gun and shoot you in an instant if they think for ONE MINUTE that they are threatened in any way.

Jackson County Georgia

War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson

What you should try to

What you should try to understand is that the way cops are chosen and trained has changed significantly. Yes, it can be a physically demanding job, but talking used to be just as important to diffuse potentially dangerous situations. Nowadays, because cops have been as conditioned as the rest of America to be unquestioning zombies, it's hard to find the smart ones with good communication skills who will follow orders from corrupt department heirarchies.

Woah,

I'M making assumptions? lol

"Most become cops as a result of not being able to do something safer for more money, or because they're A holes and enjoy jerking folks around."

^ that is a fact? Or an assumption?

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

They are modern day

PIRATES!

Thank you,

for sharing.

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

I LOVE this Video

Saw it when it first came out. Too bad more cops aren't like this guy. He is awesome. I am pretty sure he has been told so too. I for one called his department to say that they should know he is a good guy. I hope he rubs off on his fellows because he is what a cop should be! Sadly there are too few of his kind out there and more of the hired goon types that give ALL cops a bad name.

skippy

Cops are like leaches with guns.

Sheriffs are necessary to an extent, but police forces are not needed.

A sheriff can always put a posse together if need be.

There is the national guard and also the state guard reserves if that is not enough.

We do NOT need standing armies of police.

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AnAppealToHeavenWash

PLEASE see my post below with the link. National Guard may not help. We MUST call and reach out to them. Information is in that thread.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

This is not the National Guard.

This is the Indiana Guard Reserve... there is a big difference...

http://www.indianaguardreserve.us/Welcome.html

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lol, I am not disputing you.

I am asking for everybody to help in any apsect that they can.

Call the National Guard Public Affairs number and voice to them that you expect them to abide by the Constitution. It'll take just 2 minutes of your time :-)

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Where Do You Want to Go...

...with this?

I am two days away from separating from the profession. Been at it for over twenty years and am currently ranked as a Captain, assigned as a Bureau Commander. I am also a founding member of Oath Keepers (1st year).

Evolved a lot over those years, but came into it with a childhood upbringing of individualism and a liberty-streak. Been a loner much of my career, since I do not fit with the commonly accepted mindset. I have a very tight cadre of liberty-respecting/believing guys and a rather large group who respect the stance on principle I take and the demand for doing the right thing, regardless of the cost.

That said, if it were not for the type jurisdiction and the specific agency I work(ed) for and the chief executives that I had who were ambivalent and did not demand that my approach be changed, I would not have survived it.

The stars simply were aligned for me and I am damn glad it was so, since I was able to leave a footprint and set a measure that will carry on after I leave on Tuesday.

I am sincerely looking forward to being unleashed.

How many times..

..did you have to violate people's Constitutional rights?

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

Not...Even...Once..

Although it happens to both large and small degrees all the time with police.

The whole system is set up to always be 'pushing the envelope', looking for new authority, new missions, more funding and more influence. So it is natural that when average people, just like those who populated this forum, get 'power', some will abuse it and a smaller percentage will stand firm on liberty, ethic and integrity (simply a microcosm).

It has never been excusable to violate anyone's individual liberty. Fact is, I have been fighting it my whole career even as recently as last night.

I have been lucky enough to have had a career that put me in direct contact of the Basic Peace Officer Academy, starting as a line-deputy, progressing as I moved through the ranks from Corporal, to Sergeant, to Lieutenant and ultimately to Captain.

I performed as a PT instructor, classroom instructor of various block-topics, recruit training officer, class sergeant and even two stints as the interim academy director. Through it all I taught adherence to the Constitution, respect and protection of individual liberty, officer discretion, developed curriculum related to all those things, led multi-day/multi-hour long group discussions on the proper role in society of police and the differences in mindset and application of being a Peace Officer vs a Law Enforcement Officer, along with written research projects on constitutional subjects.

You simply have no idea about me and about the difficult path I have had to walk because I could/cannot deviate from what I believe and hold sacred; although you are correct on the larger point in a general sense of police violating the Constitution frequently.

A few of you spouting-turds don't seem to realize, even though you purport to be 'liberty advocates' that there ARE men (and women) of principle, who are willing to stand on those principles and on their ethic and integrity, regardless of the cost.

They are damn few of them in my line of work/service and they are damn few in this 'liberty movement' also. I walk the talk. You?

We all have choices.....cops, the unemployed, the pencil-pushers, the construction workers and the elected officials...Sadly, what I have seen, across the board, particularly amongst this 'purported' liberty movement is an absolute willingness of many to compromise (accompanied by predictable rationalize & justify blather) one's principles, (that they claim to have) rather than actually having a rock-solid set that is not deviated from.

For me, I took an Oath to support and defend the Constitution of my state and the Constitution for the united States. That has always superseded policy, 'law' of the whims of any man, for me.

You have no idea the difficulties, the defenses I have had to make, or the scrutiny I have been subject to for the way I have led my life and my career.

Frankly, I am amazed I made it this far and I am leaving due to a 'new breed' of executive that has arrived and is not ambivalent to my approach. This one is pure politician and pure LEO, 'through and through' and I cannot and will not put myself in the position where I get sent down the road for my stances, or am expected to compromise my principles or face sanction.

I am making a choice and will look with pride at my efforts.

You?

Thank you for your service!

You would be greatly encouraged, if you ever had the desire to do so, to speak in high schools about your profession. Someone like you could promote those who desire that profession...leading them to do so in the same manner that you have conducted yourself in. Wow, thank God for ones like you!=)

Captain,

thanks for your good work! I guess I'm just not sure how we can reach out to law enforcement. How do we move beyond the barriers of "bad" cops? (that's where I wanted to go with this;)

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

JackieK

I will get back to this topic later when I get home. It is worthy of exploration and I will commit to making myself an open book for any questions, thoughts or other questions you or others may have.

this could prove a unique opportunity, since I am now free to speak in more detail and depth.

Take care.

El-Tee

Sure, but how about addressing this

http://www.dailypaul.com/268819/help-educate-the-national-guard

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Read,

and bumped. It really is a big concern.

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

Thanks for the bump :-)

I am also visiting all pd's in my area. I have asked friends to handle their areas in nearby locations, I know that they will.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul