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Video Update: Alex Jones on Piers Morgan

Thanks to DPer sharpsteve for the YouTubes

Peirs Morgan Vs Alex Jones - The Gun Debate Round 1

http://youtu.be/fEbBM4DG9V0
Peirs Morgan Vs Alex Jones - The Great Gun Debate Round 2

http://youtu.be/JAnKOMex_eQ

CNN: Tonight, Piers Morgan returns for a live discussion on "Guns in America," and faces Alex Jones, the co-creator of White House petition to have Morgan deported. Tonight at 9pm Jones will discuss the petition and explain his strong beliefs on the Second Amendment.

Live Streams for those without cable:

Thanks to DPer David Infinger for breaking the news yesterday.

Jones was detained by the TSA this morning on the way to New York. Thanks to emalvini for alerting us here on the DP.

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Were some of you watching the same interview I was?

I don't know if some of you were watching the same interview. I knew Jones would go off on Morgan, anyone who thinks Piers had any intention of having an actual debate is delusional. He will press his agenda no matter what. Do you think Larry Pratt or Jesse Ventura shook his beliefs on anything? He's a shill.

Jones' real problem was he missed some key points such as the gun murder rate in Britain, although his point about violent crime being higher there was lost on Piers. The gun supposedly used in the Newtown incident was not actually an AR-15 and Alex should have refuted that. He could have mentioned for people to look up the YouTube of the BBC announcing WTC Building 7 collapsing well before it happened. Making clear that the Second Amendment did not permit the people to own guns but rather reaffirms the natural right to bear arms and some choice quotes from Founding Fathers would have helped. He mentioned the attempt at disarmament by Santa Ana but not Lexington and Concord. Other than that, he destroyed Piers and anyone that thinks otherwise is either firmly asleep or you're still trying to play nice with the wolves in the hopes they won't eat you. Good luck with that.

I loved the mocking British accent at the end, couldn't stop laughing. If anyone deserves such mockery, it's the likes of Piers. If your friends watched this and thought Jones was crazy, ask them to refute the crazy guy's facts.

Time

for Ron Paul to debate Piers.

Looks like...

Pierce Morgan now has an extra a**hole in case he ever needs it.

If Ron Paul is my super ego...

...then AJ is my id.

Hello, my name is Andrew Ryan and I'm here to ask you a question: is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?

I

was quite surprised watching those 2 videos! I had read other threads about it BEFORE watching the actual interview. I had expected to see Jones practically jumping up and down--I thought Jones was 'rather mild'--not really mild, but mild for Jones!!

Who knows if the whole thing was a big put-on??!! Even if it was, it was good to hear that weapons don't kill/hurt people, people do...and good to hear it admitted that other weapons' death rates are higher than guns. It was also good to hear a discussion concerning the subject of pharmaceuticals that cause suicidal/homicidal ideation (and the fact that they should be taken off the market)!!

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Ron Paul 2012...and beyond
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Alex makes Jessie Ventura seem

completely mainstream.

I would love to have either one...

as a personal body guard! They aren't afraid of ANYTHING!

Jones' rant proves the dishonesty of the anti-gun argument

They insist that they don't want to take away your right to own guns - that they simply see no valid need for semi-automatics, and we need laws to prevent the mentally ill from owning them. But once Jones was off the air - Piers Morgan, Dershowitz and the other guests all agreed that Jones is the definitive example of a dangerous person who should absolutely NOT be allowed to own a gun!

"I don’t want that man to have a gun.’ I wouldn’t feel comfortable having an argument with him in his home where he had access to his 50 weapons, and if he got really mad at something I said, or I disputed his contentions…"

They didn't take into consideration that, though Jones has owned guns for many years and he CONSTANTLY argues with people for a living - he's never committed a violent crime - has in fact never hurt anyone. They ignored the fact that he doesn't fit the profile of a mass shooter - he's not a young male, not being treated for mental issues with prescription drugs.

Yet they feel confident that if you hold an opinion they disagree with, and express it in a way that makes them uncomfortable - that's enough proof that you are too insane to ever legally own a gun.

NJ

ALEX JONES Satanist 4 Stratfor ISRAEL Exposed

Remember Molly-gate: The event (November 20, 2012) where Alex Jones hired Molly Maroney, who formerly worked for the admitted-Zionist organization Stratfor. Alex Jones and his crowd (Mike Adams, Intel Hub, Mark Dice, Lindsey Williams, etc.) are still remaining silent on the situation. Lots of more information about it is right here:
http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/12/cointelpro-crash-and-b...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFpik9NljrI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLq5Uk28wPA

He also has made up a series of failed predictions from 2008-2010 that never came to place (especially when he claimed there would be an inaugural bombing in 6-7 months)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxt_bEDdTTc

He insulted Bill Cooper by referring him as 'some dead guy' in 2010 at 2:25
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lbkDx2lijo

Alex Jones endorsed a promoter for alternative medicine Kevin Trudeau, who was a convicted felon and a scam artist, in 2009. His interviews with him were deleted from his channel shortly after they were uploaded. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWPxLzlyOTU

Alex Jones crashed a pro-gun rally in Austin in 2010 and later covered up the story on his radio show with lies and deception.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TACalwg360c
......

Ventura/Jones...

...for president 2016.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

It was a good show!

Alex was cute... We should give some credit to Piers Morgan for giving to Alex the opportunity...
I am not sure what is the background of this show, but it was interesting to watch. Audience got some respect.

Two-pronged wake-up call

I care more about AJ’s message than his delivery, and he was right-on with his message. Taking Big Pharma to task needed to be said, and how can you not be passionate about the fact anti-depressants don’t work according to recent studies. Mental illness is increasing as 1 in 3 Americans is diagnosed in any given year – over 75 million people with mental disorders. Prescriptions for psychiatric drugs have increased 50 percent with children in the US and 73 percent among adults. Psychiatry invents some label for every little symptom so Big Pharma can push more drugs onto society while they entice psychiatrists and physicians to keep patients dependent on their meds. It’s a prescription for a dumbed down populace rendered too compliant to think for themselves. That’s far more dangerous than 300 million plus armed civilians so where are the alarms bells?!

AJ’s “You’re not taking our guns” was a two-pronged wake-up call I applaud as it targeted the money masters, complicit media and pols who seek to keep the sheeple ignorant and unprepared so as to render the public mentally and emotionally incapacitated unable to defend itself against the encroaching police state. Both Piers and AJ engender fear scenarios, but AJ presented a very real and rational based growing threat whereas Piers conveniently panders to the emotions du jour instead of steering the focus to corporate greed where it needs to be.

Why Are We Drugging Our Kids?
www.alternet.org/story/144538

Alex Jones is crazy

Alex Jones is just completely crazy. What he is saying is not crazy but the person Alex Jones is a crazy person. Try watching it without sound and imagine that you don't know who Alex or Piers is if you don't agree.

wow, your definition of crazy is terrible

your crazy test:

you use your imagination to imagine what someone is saying, and determine their sanity from there.

alex is intelligent, energetic and angry, not crazy

reminds me of the people that wouldn't vote for ron paul because he didn't wear a suit as nicely fitted as romney

So

he's a crazy person saying sane things?

I couldn't have said it

I couldn't have said it better myself. The govt is the culprit in all of these cases: Gun-free zones that are easily targeted, allowing any laws to be created that might leave someone defenseless of themselves or their property, the FDA approved drugs that are hustled out by doctors, and what about the tens, even probably hundreds of thousands of children killed overseas by our mischief and virtually almost every other problem in society today. If you aren't as mad as he is about all of this, then there is something wrong. You may think that the calm, easy, non-fanatical approach is the way to convey the message best, however, "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!"

Well played Pierce Morgan

Now your average Joe has a face to put to the term "Gun Fanatic". This is one of the best media tactics for manipulating the masses, find the craziest sounding person on the street and interview them. Of course Alex Jones has to satiate his fan base. I'm sure they would be furious if he went on Piers Morgan and didn't bring up anything about the 9/11 conspiracy. He could have just stuck to the Great Britain vs. Switzerland argument and actually persuaded people that guns are OK to own. Instead he inundated the average Joe, who has probably never been exposed to conspiracy theories past the JFK assassination, with facts they have never been exposed to, and he did it at the top of his lungs.

Pierce Morgan got exactly what he was looking for and more. One of the first rules of public speaking is to know your audience.

Morgan brought up

9/11, not Jones.

It was an attempt at an Ad Hominem (against the person rather than his arguments) attack. Jones didnt get bogged down on that point - he mentioned Building 7 and moved on. If you don't know anything about it and just swallow the official explanations, you may want to do some research. Just keep an open mind and evaluate the evidence provided before attacking or agreeing with it.

I thought Jones did an excellent job within the limitations he was under. He knew he was walking into a set up, but didnt play their game. I got his points out, one after another. He showed that people are angry about this. Good - - - time for someone to be angry about losing their freedoms.

Morgan asked AJ directly

but Jones was the first to bring it up. I'm not saying there was no conspiracy, just that the only thing to do in this situation would be side step the question and definitely never under any circumstance bring it up as a valid argument on the Pierce Morgan show.

He was able to pump me up and make me excited for the fight to come, but he should have realized he was taking to sheeple, not Info Wars.

Pierce Morgan effectively brought a looney gun nut on his show, and AJ did not disappoint.

surprised, and not in a good way...

I'm surprised- not at AJ, though... I'm surprised at all of you who demonize AJ for being the speakerphone that we need in the media today...
I'm surprised that some of you here have forgotten how "extreme" our Founding Fathers were when it came to becoming an independent & free nation... they yelled, they screamed, they led militia, they fought, they bled, & they died for their country. Right now, AJ is doing the exact same thing that any civilian revolutionary would of done in the 18th century when we were fighting for our cause to be independent & free. the only difference is, an 18th century civilian would of used only his voice-
or have you forgotten Patrick Henry, who said "give me liberty or give me death"?... or John Paul Jones, who said "I have not yet begun to fight"?... some of you HAVE forgotten Patrick Henry when he said "if it is treason, lets make the most of it"-
I give credit to AJ because it was AJ who woke me up & made me aware of Ron Paul. Had it not been for Alex Jones, I would of voted for Obama, & I mean that. Just because you don't like AJ's approach, does not mean he doesn't care about our country. He is a loud voice for liberty today, maybe too loud for some of you fragile folk...
most of you might be offended by his approach because most of you are not familiar with how our Founding Fathers approached King George and his Redcoats after peaceful negotiations didn't work...

if you don't like Alex Jones, fine. Don't watch him. Don't listen to him. Don't give him your time... but don't, for one second, attack him for being a vocal Patriot. Shame on all of you who think your way of spreading freedom and liberty is better than everyone else's.

the voice of Liberty comes in many shapes and forms... sometimes it comes in a calm whisper- other times it comes in a loud trumpet call to arms... the Founding Fathers used both. Don't forget that.

"Give me liberty or give me death!" ~ Patrick Henry
"I have not yet begun to fight!" ~ John Paul Jones
"If it is treason, then make the most of it!" ~ Patrick Henry

Good points, but....

when it falls on deaf ears how good is the message?

Delivery is the key component to any oratory. You can't please all the people all the time, but nobody wants to be yelled at, ridiculed, mocked or catagorized, and AJ wasted a perfect opportunity to speak to the masses who have catagorized us by coming off with an overbearing attitude rather than making his point with civility and factoid presentation.

His ranting and mocking tuned them out to the message, FAILED!

If you can read this thank a teacher. Because it's in English thank a soldier!

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."
- Alexis de Tocqueville

in response

i submit to you that you do not speak for everyone here...

it may have fallen on deaf ears to you, and maybe to some others on here, but luckily, you and those like you do not represent all of the Liberty movement...

as i said in my closing statement, Liberty comes in all shapes and sizes... a calm and peaceful approach make work for you, and that's great... but for others, maybe that doesn't jerk them enough to wake up... maybe, for them, they need to be yelled at, told that what they're doing is wrong, dangerous, and "un-American"...

who are you to say that one of the audience members in that show didnt wake up from Alex Jones? do you know every one of those people personally, or are you making the assumption that everyone in America has the same view as you? you cant make that judgment call for them, or for the rest of your fellow Patriots. We all have our ways of spreading freedom and liberty.

in order for it to be a fair, unbiased debate, there needs to be a neutral speaker to present questions to both sides, and give equal and ample time for each person to respond to one another. your points falter because Piers Morgan played both debater and speaker, who is already unfair and biased to liberty. Alex Jones knew that already, and that is why he came off the way he did, aggressively.

"Give me liberty or give me death!" ~ Patrick Henry
"I have not yet begun to fight!" ~ John Paul Jones
"If it is treason, then make the most of it!" ~ Patrick Henry

Divisiveness at it's best...

And I second that...I submit that YOU do not speak for everyone here...

Do you think such a heated discussion would follow if Ron Paul were interviewed by Pierce Morgan? To me that's reflective proof that AJ is not a unifying spokesperson for the liberty movement....but that's not to say I'm not glad he has a voice....he talks some truth....even if it's spewed out with spit balls...but he doesn't represent me....

Having an opinion that AJ's interviewing skills are ineffective and divisive is not the same as demonizing him...I personally don't like AJ's tactics but have at times been thankful for his loud mouth...as abrasive and alienating as it may be....And you also cannot speak for the masses...none of us will ever know how many folks have been brought to the liberty movement or have been repelled after hearing AJ speak...I personally was repelled by him and thought he was Glenn Beck's twin cousin...It was the intelligence and integrity of Ron Paul that brought me to the liberty movement....

And it has nothing to do with being among the "fragile folk" who don't like to be yelled at but maybe that's what "they need" to wake up..(um you mean like a dictatorship?) ...or your assumption that "most of us" are not familiar with the founding fathers approach...or your demand that we not "attack" AJ for being a vocal patriot and that we should be ashamed..REALLY?? quite the sizable put down for folks expressing intelligent opinions that differ from yours...who believe in liberty but that happen to disagree with how to get there wouldn't you say so?....WOW

And do you realize that were responding to a vet?

IMHO it's about being socially intelligent enough to unify people for the cause of liberty....This surely isn't it....

of course i dont speak for everyone here

i have never stated that i did speak for everyone... i simply said that him, and others like him, dont. I, for one, am happy that my presentation of the truth is not the only presentation available, as it should not be the only one used... again, freedom and liberty is expressed in many different ways and forms. From the looks of it, some of you on this website are having problems reconciling that perspective.

and I never said i spoke for the entire liberty movement... i only said you dont speak for it. there are many voices in the liberty movement that have different frequencies, different wavelengths, and even different volumes...
for the record, I also never said nor implied that Alex Jones is the spokesperson for the liberty movement... yes, Alex Jones is one of them, and so is Ron Paul. I'm grateful for both individuals, for they are both expressing their right to freedom of speech, as given to us through the 1st Amendment... but just because Alex Jones is very vocal and aggressive in his freedom of expression, gives no man, not me, not you, to demonize him.

I could be responding to a vet, I could be responding to a newbie, it doesn't matter to whom I am responding to... just because one is a vet does not mean their life is more important than someone else, nor does it mean that they have the right to stifle someone else's 1st Amendment freedoms. EVERYONE has the right to their freedom, and NO ONE, not even a vet, has the right to suppress that.

the only thing we as Libertarians and Patriots should be ashamed of is ourselves, for preaching and supporting liberty, freedom, and the pursuit of happiness- and yet try to silence those who present these ideals differently than we prefer.

"Give me liberty or give me death!" ~ Patrick Henry
"I have not yet begun to fight!" ~ John Paul Jones
"If it is treason, then make the most of it!" ~ Patrick Henry

Having an opinion about the

Having an opinion about the approach used by AJ does not equate to "having problems reconciling the perspective" that freedom and liberty is expressed in many different ways and forms...Do you seriously think that folks posting on the DP site need to be schooled by you to see the light? It's actually quite patronizing....

I was pointing out that your first post was in response to a vet (not me) NOT because their life has more intrinsic value....but because of your patronizing response here "luckily, you and those like you do not represent all of the Liberty movement" when all he stated regarding the AJ interview was "nobody wants to be yelled at, ridiculed, mocked or catagorized, and AJ wasted a perfect opportunity to speak to the masses who have catagorized us by coming off with an overbearing attitude rather than making his point with civility and factoid presentation".

This was a valid assessment and critique of AJ's style and approach, and not a personal character bashing...How you then interpret that to mean that folks with such opinions are trying to "stifle someone else's 1st Amendment freedoms." or that somehow this is an attempt to suppress or "try to silence those who present these ideals differently than we prefer."....quite a leap in judgement wouldn't you say...

This kind of Incitement is not productive IMHO...but anyway here's a link to the interview blowback of the day...

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/01/exclusive-piers-...

and i was pointing something out too...

i was pointing out that not everyone is going to express their freedom the same way you do. the only thing I've seen people say on this site is how much they hate Alex Jones for presenting it the way he did...

I personally think it was exactly the way he needed to present it, since he was on a one-sided discussion against a man who has no respect for American freedom, presenting biased propaganda to a audience that was utterly asleep in every way...

and no, that particular person does not represent everyone. He certainly does not represent me. He represents himself and only himself, just as I represent myself, and only myself. I am only here to encourage the advancement of freedom and liberty- not tell someone off because they dont tell it the same way I do.

I may not like some of the ways that Alex Jones says, but i will fight for his right to say it. You may not like that thought, and that's your right to not like it, but my life, and my right to fight for liberty and freedom is neither defined by you or him, and neither does any man have the right to stifle another man's freedom.

as far as I'm concerned, I'm done with this discussion with you, and i wont be replying to you anymore on this subject.

"Give me liberty or give me death!" ~ Patrick Henry
"I have not yet begun to fight!" ~ John Paul Jones
"If it is treason, then make the most of it!" ~ Patrick Henry

Nobody is mad at him for what he said

It's how he presented the truth

and like i said in the post

it wasn't about what he said, it was about his presentation. others in the past have done the exact same thing he did today... our Founding Fathers approached it in a similar way when peaceful negotiations didn't work.

many of you are scared of an aggressive presentation because many of you are not familiar with it... i submit to all of you, that if George Washington, John Adams, and the like had not become aggressive in their presentation, we would still be in a tyrannical regime even more than today.

many of you need to come to a realization that, metaphorically speaking, the squeaky wheel gets the grease... and if you haven't noticed, Alex Jones is making it very well known that we as a country are very close to what we were fighting against in the early 18th century

"Give me liberty or give me death!" ~ Patrick Henry
"I have not yet begun to fight!" ~ John Paul Jones
"If it is treason, then make the most of it!" ~ Patrick Henry

After reading all these comments

I would just like to say that we libertarians have a lot of growing up to do. When will have the maturity to accept each person as they are and not attack the unique expression of others?

Ron Paul is mild and humble man (of great, but measured passion), I have heard him railed against on the Daily Paul for this gentle mannerisms. WHY CAN'T YOU ACCEPT PEOPLE AS THEY ARE LIBERTARIANS!!

Alex Jones is a wildly passionate man who tends to be offensive. However I greatly appreciate his tireless contribution to the liberty movement. When are the libertarians going to accept each others differences? Why are the libertarians here trying to CONTROL others form of expression?

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."
Thomas Jefferson

I accept a 4' 5" fellow as

I accept a 4' 5" fellow as "what he is" but I wouldn't have him play center on my basketball team.

The point is, Alex Jones is a public relations liability for liberty-minded people, and last night was a complete and unmitigated PR disaster for those of us who wish to preserve the 2nd Amendment for current and future generations. Next time I defend gun rights in the context of the people's right to stave off tyrannical government, people will say, "I can't believe you're saying the same thing as that Alex Jones nut." His over-the-top and frankly, immature, approach to stating his arguments makes even legitimate positions appear irrational.

Thanks for setting us back, Alex. You can now go back to collecting earnings from your prosperous conspiracy factory.