Welfare & Food Stamps..please`educate me on ron pauls stance
Hello,
new to the campaign and love what ron Paul says about the IRS etc...But there were two times in my life when I had to apply for government assistance...First was when i was a young mother living with an abusive husband who refused to work..(Went to school and got out of that) Second was when katrina hit..that was a lesson in what could possibly happen to the whole country in the near future. if we continue economically in this direction..In one day we saw our employer vanish, we had only $1000 in our savings account, the bank was demanding our mortgage ($1300) ...We had no food and nowhere to get food...we had three small kids...No electricity no water...no police , no hospitals and armed looters everywhere.
People were shooting and robbing eachother for gas or cigarettes...Grim..Very grim..
But back to the point...We were given a food stamp card for six months...in the meantime we got on our feet again.
If a national disaster happened like this again...How would the government under Ron paul respond as president? Would it be up to our state? Realize...This is not a critisism...i just need to understand everything.
here in NY it's all paid by the state anyway
up until a couple years ago you could be on welfare for life.
Educate me on "Welfare and Food stamps"
Here's where I received my education:
http://aobs-store.com/store/page3-ss2.html
archtoplee
In a recent interview I saw
Ron said that under his plan he will be able to support those who have become reliant on the system. I think he will save us so much by bringing our troops home, something he can defiantly do, to do many great things for our citizens in wake of a disaster. It will be very difficult to end the income tax but I trust that he will do everything he can to stop it. Bottom line our county will have a shit ton of money.
Most social services would be left to the states such as
unemployment which the states provide now.
Nobody would be cut off that depends on it now.
Social Security would be made secure for the people that are counting on it by cutting spending overseas and eliminate a lot of pork.
Ron Paul would also offer young people to get out of Social security.
But nobody will get cut off of any of these programs.
Most social services would be left to the states such as
unemployment which the states provide now.
Nobody would be cut off that depends on it now.
Social Security would be made secure for the people that are counting on it by cutting spending overseas and eliminate a lot of pork.
Ron Paul would also offer young people to get out of Social security.
But nobody will get cut off of any of these programs.
Taxes Kill
First of all YOU need to take responsibility for yourself....Second, these are state issues...Third, and most important, we need to have strong private charities and the only way to have that is to lower taxes, you see, taxes kill charities, taxes kill churches, and taxes kill families...
"It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once"...
David Hume
"It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once"...
David Hume
What you have to remember is
What you have to remember is that "the government" has no money of its own. It neither produces goods nor provides any services as a means of income. In other words: every penny in the government coffers was stolen from your neighbors at gunpoint (if this sounds like hyperbole, try not paying your taxes for a few years and see who comes knocking). So when you ask what the government will do for you, what you're really asking is what will your neighbors be forced to do for you.
Don't worry; even as taxed as we are, Americans are the most generous people in the world. We give more to charity -- both in raw numbers and per capita -- than any other country. If government stopped robbing your neighbors on your behalf, they would likely give even more to charity, not less.
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My grandfather left my grandmother
with two little girls back in the early 50s. There was no child support, no welfare and no food stamps.
Her only help was family, churches, and relief agencies. She got a job and others pitched in to raise my mother and aunt. I am proud of my grandmother and thankful for the generosity of others. No government aid was needed.
If welfare didn't exist I would support agencies that truly helped others. I think many Americans would as well.
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Lisa C.
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The answer is you!You
The answer is you!
You should not have allowed yourself to get so cash poor. Do not assume because you fail to plan you have created an emergency for others.
There were and will be private relief agencies and you would have to ask them. It is not the governments job to rescue every person who fails to plan.
And are you a troll? Read the Constitution.
What Planet are you from?
Ok, Mayberry, I don't know how old you are but you don't have a clue. In this day and age it is very difficult to keep your head above water when you have a family, house, etc. Being hit by a disaster such as Katrina could wipe out anyone's savings in no time. Or a spouse abandoning a family happens too much these days, too. Stuff happens all the time and it doesn't mean people are irresponsible.
You certainly don't sound like a Ron Paul supporter. He would never have answered that way. Maybe you are the troll. The question was a very good one and needs to be answered.
Healthnuttie for Ron Paul
Healthnut4freedom
The lip of truth shall be established forever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment...Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are His delight. Prov 12:19,22
No need to call her a troll
No need to call her a troll or use a mean spirited tone. I think that was a good question that many new people might have. Everything you explained could be done kindly and therefore be more persuasive.
I agree 100%. People come
I agree 100%. People come here to learn. I know I did.
Welfare, foodstamps, Can someone answer
Ron Paul has mentioned Fredric Bastiat during his interviews whenever he has had to deal with this issue of government assistance programs.
Please order it for $5.00 http://aobs-store.com/store/page3-ss2.htmlhere:
Bastiat's book will answer a great of your concerns about welfare in general. The natural disaster question is a tougher question but here too private groups, during the Katrina relief efforts, proved more effficient in getting water, food and shelter to hurricane victims than government agencies of the State of Louisiana or the FEMA bureaucrats in Washington.
When a man or woman loses a job and has to ask for help it isn't easy to go and ask people at a church. Going to family members may be too embarrasing or you just don't want to face the lectures. State welfare agencies used to be a last resort for needy Americans asking for "relief." Worse still, illegal aliens can now dip into our "welfare" system and are corrupting the value of the dollar. The government has to come up with money for welfare checks so they resort to printing more money to keep the "entitlement" programs aloft.
It's a system that is now plundering everyone including those who get on the dole. Our only answer is to abolish welfare at the federal level and allow the States to establish their own system for the truly needy. The states must allow the private charitable organizations to do the majority of the assistance otherwise politicans will abuse any State assistance program that is bigger than it needs to be.
Returning to a sound gold-backed currency will return real value to our dollar. Reducing the size of the government starting with our foreign policy of keeping troops in the 4-corners of the globe will help to reduce our debt. Doing away with unconstitutional agencies and programs will shrink the Federal monstrosity and allow us to keep what we earn.
The free market is the best welfare system in the world. The worse welfare system is one run by the government. We have a choice with Ron Paul to do what is right for a change!
archtoplee
Assuming your broken link was for "The Law"
...it's free online: http://constitution.org/law/bastiat.htm
:-)
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I'm pretty sure Ron Paul has
I'm pretty sure Ron Paul has said that he understands many people have become dependent on certain parts of the system as it stands, so he wouldn't cut things away immediately. However, philosophically (and I agree with him) it is better to deal with certain things more locally. You get better quality service when you go more local. A few examples:
1. People accused the Bush administration of such abysmal response to Katrina because of no sympathy to the large population of poor African-Americans that had no means to escape.
2. FEMA is bueracratic. Bueracracies by nature are bulky and slow. What benefit does it actually have? It gives out money, often in a mismanaged way. In California where I am when we had the Northridge earthquakes in '94 FEMA gave about 15 million dollars to people who had no property damage. When we had our fires, we depended on local police and fire for emergency response. Now, from what I understand, to cover up for Katrina FEMA has been transitioned into a reconstruction agency for the area, rather than just disaster relief with billions being channeled through the bueracracy.
The system would operate
just as it does today until we were able to get rid of the income tax. Then I believe you'll see the American people really start to get generous by sending some of their money to charities and to organizations within the states to help out people in those states that have taken a hit by a natural disaster. Over time, I suspect that each state will decide how they want to help out the poor either by taxing their citizens (bad idea) or getting out of the way of charities that will step in to help out. In any case, it's not an issue for the federal government. The individual states can handle it.
he would rally americans
i believe he would rally americans and inspire the american spirit of humanitarianism to encourage volunteers to help in any way they can, with monetary donations or physical labor/aid, instead of asking americans to go shopping (http://www.capitolhillblue.com/news2/2006/12/lets_go_shoppin...)
Correction...
I said "them" I truly meant him...Ron Paul...I went a little Mccain in the brain...duh
Campaign on this!!!
Thanks for all the answers..My vote is with them..but I truly believe that this Disaster and it's shortcoming from our government have yet to be addressed in any debates and how the next president would respond..This affected thousands of people only two years ago...but it seems forgotten in any presidential discussion..
I`m not sure what Dr. Paul would say,
HYDROMAN
I have a few recomendations for you.
1. Always have at least 3 months supply of cash or tangible assets on hand for emergencies.
2.Make sure the person you have a relationship with is not going to rip you off ( ben der ,dun dat ) check their history with your head not you heart.
3. Don`t live in a place that is 15' below sea level , I don`t care how many pumps and levees they got. Or if you wish to live there , don`t expect me or anyone else to bail you out.
Dats All Folks
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As gov declines, salaries grow
As we dismantle big government I predict it will once again take one family member to make a living for the household, and their will be less of a need for food stamps and welfare.
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Our Military would be...
...Dispatched since they would be all home from across the world. As for the Welfare and Food Stamps, I'm not exactly sure but I do have an impression that as some people are dependent on the welfare system that Ron Paul has a plan to weed people off of the dependency of their dependence on the federal government. With Ron Paul in office the people would have more of their own money in their pockets. The Free Market would truly be Free. I believe Ron Paul's ultimate goal is to have the people dependent on theirselves and ultimately the People will pull together to help their neighbors. The People shouldn't be dependent on the Government for anything with the exception of Protecting us from true threats and invasions and security. I actually heard him say somewhere's that after all his plans are accomplished that he's not gonna have much to do and is gonna have to take a pay cut as President. LOL
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welfare stamps
Dr. Paul addresses this issue in a video made in Reno. It is on the front page of his official site. http://www.ronpaul2008.com
He says if we were not spending the money we are on foreign policy, there would be plenty of money for programs here at home for people when in need. That is paraphrasing what he said.
gma
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety, and ultimately will have neither."...... Benjamin Franklin
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety, and ultimately will have neither."...... Benjamin Franklin
We are in mississippi...the
We are in mississippi...the eye of the storm passed over my house...No levees...just a tsunami about 32 feet high...ouch...our governor and Bush are supposedly tight...I don'y know...i just want to make sure that if something like that happens...we won't be left...The food stamps were a godsend at that time
I think if our forign
I think if our forign subsidies would end, there would be MUCH more money available for domestic economic disasters. There would be much more money to PREVENT this sort of disaster, much more money in local shelters and abuse facilities, because we would have no taxes on our income in a RP government and we could afford more to our local charities. There would be no need for the gov't to literally steal our social security money to send overseas in a preemptive "war".
Also, there would be fewer federal government programs, so that the ones left (probably like federal disaster funds) would be much better organized and implemented.
That is my take on it.
The State
But I think that our governor was pushing washington for money for relif assistance
How Ron Paul would react....
Ron Paul would have immediately activated the military. He is a big fan of Bastiat and Hayek, both of who endorse disaster relief from Government (since Government is the only entity that can quickly allocate disciplined manpower and resources necessary to confront natural disaster).
Under a Ron Paul Administration, it is likely there would've been a lot more funding for the levee. Since the disaster crossed state lines, it would also have been his responsibility not that of the states.
He has many times said that
He has many times said that disasters are best dealt with by the local communities that know their needs better than the Feds. He often has referred to some disaster flooding in his district back in the old days before the Feds got involved. Apparently the community did a fantastic job of setting things right and taking care of everyone.
Well Ray Nagin sure blew it (so to speak)
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No he wouldn't - its an
No he wouldn't - its an individual responsibility - or call the Red Cross but it is not afederal issue if there is a hurricane and your house floods.