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Alex Jones, Traitor or Imbecile?

UPDATE: I was wrong. I was overly harsh. I was casting stones without having all the information, something I'm vehemently opposed to. I apologize. (see http://www.dailypaul.com/269611/i-was-wrong-and-im-sorry)

My letter to Alex:

You are ridiculous. I can't believe what you just pulled on Piers. Whose side are you on? I'm seriously damn near convinced you're on the globalists' side. You bastard! Do you know how hard you set us back?! That was a FUCKING DISASTER. You displayed less debate skills than Bill O'Reilly and Piers Morgans' lovechild! You are either a profound idiot or an establishment tool, and I will never support you again.

Update (old): I stand by my feelings about Alex's performance. He sunk to the level of Piers and I fail to see how any of you think that's ok. But I am getting trolled out of my mind here. It's driving me nuts. I spend too much of my life working for liberty, to sit here and take shit from people who claim to support it while they fling ad hominems and other personal insults at me and ignore my primary point (that this will not be received well, and it won't, that's just obvious). I've blocked Danton because after numerous insults and absurd attacks and very little in the way of actual substance, he accused me of claiming to be a "savior" and that is crossing the line. This whole experience has me considering just giving up on liberty and trying to live out my life away from people as much as possible. We really are a piece of shit race. I'm done here. Good riddance.



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Michael Rivero hammers away at Israel everyday on his program.

He is unafraid of any repercussions, but he does broadcast from Hawaii. He's not as big a presence as Alex, but internet radio still goes everywhere. Despite the lack of Israel-speak by Jones, agree with you that Alex is waking up a lot of people.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/

Funny

how that the AJ people act just like the RNC towards us as the RP people.

-Your stupid, crazy, or cointel pro! Your message has no value because it is against my worldview! You have no power - Aj has power - so why should we listen to you? You don't support the status quo then you are out!

Same inner party thought that serves to limit the mind of the individual.

If George Washington acted like that we would still be under British rule. Over 100 letters of expressed greivences to King George before a single shot was fired.

Rule number one in rhetoric:

You get angry you lose.

Public Relations matters people - because it is effective.

"The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out, the conservative adopts them." - Mark Twain

You have nothing to say either.

But is not crazy for someone to claim an authority they don't have at the DP.

As for that dribble about Washington. Him and John Adams were the first to borrow from International Bankers.

That debt lasted until 1835, until then the bankers called the shots. Good job George and John, NOT!

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Yeah

he was just the general who liberated an entire nation no biggie lmao.

"The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out, the conservative adopts them." - Mark Twain

That seem's to be the popular story.

To repay the debtors Congress taxed whiskey production. When the Federal Revenues came to western Pennsylvania it fomented Shay's rebellion.

Their were other Congressional swindles regarding the War debt held by everyday Americans.

It's been downhill ever since.

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At least at the we can agree

All downhill lol.

We both kinda raised the same point though: that men are imperfect.

"The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out, the conservative adopts them." - Mark Twain

Making apologies good manners. Sorry for being rude.

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Well you have nothing to say, a waste of time reading it.

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Whether Alex was right/wrong good/bad....

depends on if they are truly about to take our guns away or not.

If they *are* about to take them away, then Alex is right. He is drawing a line in the sand and making a call to arms (literally) for those of us who will rebel against such tyranny.

If the Govt is just bluffing and testing the waters of public opinion then maybe Alex's chosen style was not appropriate and over-the-top.

It's time to start asking yourself what you will do if they do take our guns away. Will you stand up and resist? Are you ready for skyrocketing brutal home invasions such as is happening in Britain and Australia? What if they *are* about to take our only defense against tyranny and home invaders and rapists away from us?

It's an unpleasant thing to ponder but the time may be drawing near where we will all have to make the truly scary decision (either way) on what course we will take and if we will stand on principle or choose to lick boots and obey.

If they *are* about to take our guns away then the time for soft sweet talk and polite debate is over. It will be a literal declaration of war against the American people. And war time calls for loud angry generals not soft-spoken "reasonable" feel-good discussions with the opposition.

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~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

WTF!!!

IF?!!!
How about when?!

When Fascism goes to sleep, it checks under the bed for Ron Paul!

Not if or when, just "How?"

I suppose they will ask nicely first, maybe even offer cash. I doubt many will comply, but some will.
Then....?
BofA already cut off accounts to two gun manufacturers, and the owner of a third company died last week. We know the government is buying up ammo like crazy, and we do hear tales of ammo shortages. Several stores voluntarily stopped selling guns already, some have relented. How many guns will they keep from the people by keeping them out of the retail market in the first place?
But none of this applies to you, Mr and Mrs America. How will they come for your gun? Will the local Sheriff show up? Will the National Guard? Will they ask nicely, give you the option to say "From my cold dead hand?" before you... well... I think you know how that would end.
Perhaps you can set up an ambush, be ready for them. You might even take out the entire first wave. You know, you might get to kill the local Sheriff and deputies. THEN they will send the Fed in. Think your neighbors will think you died heroically?
Or maybe you have neighbors who would come to your aid, and it could turn into a mini-civil war.
The reality is, we have to STOP THEM. Once they get "permission" it is too late. They need arrested BEFORE IT COMES TO A VOTE.
Why do you think all those nations allowed themselves to be disarmed? Because at the end of the day they chose to live, like most people will do again.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

There are many

possible "hows"...
The "if" might even be debatable! But it seems obvious to me that if doesn't fit well under the current events we are seeing. They are attempting to gain support through media manipulation and IMO false flag ops! Sandy hook is no more a random act than 9/11!

When Fascism goes to sleep, it checks under the bed for Ron Paul!

have checked other pro gun, tea party sites

not a peep about the interview, I don't think CNN is the bastion of gun supporters. So I don't think it really made a difference one way or the other.

ACTION ITEM!

Not trying to troll, but I'm hitting all the AJ threads with this. It seems we ought to be able to agree on this, and have a little fun maybe.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/alex-jones-v-piers-m...

The smear is on. This was just posted in the UK, and the top two comments are essentially anti-gun and pro-gun. Go vote up the more pro-gun one, lets nip this in the bud. You do not have to register to vote on the comments.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

Here's the correct link.

Just tried the link

I think they pulled it

Try this link

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/alex-jones-v-piers-m...
THANK YOU.
And I made a thread with a few more. Looks like we ARE winning the comment war - go gettem, soldier!

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

You're Insane

Alex did what needed to be done. You believe that this will not be received well and you are wrong. There are people right now googling things he said. We shouldn't all be as meek as Dr. Paul. Ron had his role to play (the elder statesman) and Alex has his role to play (to wake people up by any means necessary).

Alex just did more for the cause of Liberty than you will ever do.

May I?

Nerves are frayed, but we are under the spotlight, gang. Whatever AJ did or how you feel about it, PLEASE try to sound like an ally, or a very reasonable foe. Stick to facts. May I rephrase, and see what you think?

"I completely disagree"
"I believe Alex did what needed to be done. You believe that this will not be received well and I hope you are wrong. There are probably people right now googling things he said. We shouldn't all be as meek as Dr. Paul. Ron had his role to play (the elder statesman) and Alex has his role to play (to wake people up by any means necessary).
Alex just struck a major blow for the cause of Liberty and will do more."

Now, before you go all "hypocrite" on me (cuz I know I can dish it), understand this is me telling ME, too. It just occurred to me that any actual trolls that may live under the DP bridge may be making special note of any "anti-social" commentary today.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

exercising his freedom to speak. Be wary of Anti-freedom nutsl

Attack the man ignore his facts. So many are falsely concerned with image. They would rather gossip about the personality.

Is their a post that lists the items to google?

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Not normally worried about image, today is "special"

and no, no google, just a "hunch" that I shared. I tried to make that clear. It occurred to me that trolls might be on high alert today, looking for any posts that sounded too incendiary. Trying to ask folks to watch their tongues so we don't see a thread on the dailypaul as the next headline about "gun loving whackos."
Although I am honestly not sure if this is meant to be a response to me or the guy above me. I really did not attack him...

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

It was merely commentary.

Interesting point. Why are these people apparently motivated to protect the herd?

Are they looking for brownie points for the home team or just earning a pay check?

Or They didn't get the memo. Herd behavior and the collective unconscious is not the path to liberty.

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OK

I sort of thought I might be being defensive needlessly.
There is the oxymoron of liberty. If you don't do a bit of "herding" they will trample right over you. But if you don't want to be flock, it can seem like the only option is to be shepherd. I think a lot start with good intentions then get sucked into their own hype. Jesse Ventura is really very smart, but that lead in on his shows is enough to gag a maggot. How do you fit an ego that big in just one human? And then I am left wondering, is he still trying to wake people up, or just trying to get tweets and youtube hits and such?

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

Albert J.

Albert J. Nock
http://media.mises.org/mp3/audioarticles/2892_Nock.mp3

Towards the end, Nock describes what "prophets" act like who've lost their way.

Popularity drives ad revenues, but the consumer is in charge. Deliver me from temptation is all I can ask.

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Telfire...another coward on

Telfire...another coward on the DP.

Why don't you step up and try to fill AJ's shoes? Why didn't YOU warn us all about 9-11 before it even happened...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5ElXWJozEQ

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

Update: You're a loser

How "committed" are you really to liberty, if a few insults from people on a forum convince you to possibly give up on liberty?

You're being silly. Everyone provides their own approach to the gun control debate. Alex Jones gives the urgent, passionate approach, and leaves Morgan stumbling and speechless. Larry Pratt provides the calm and rational approach, and Piers Morgan calls him an "unbelievably stupid man."

Morgan is a sleezeball who probably would have trampled over Alex if Alex hadn't done the trampling.

If you don't like other liberty-lovers using their first amendment to insult you, then please, go start your own forums if you're so "committed" to liberty. You'd probably never do TOO much for liberty, and that probably includes flying to New York and risking your life by confronting the mainstream media and the military industrial complex.

Whiny children...

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"Do you know how hard you set us back?! "

Set what back? The second amendment?

Not much of a constitution if a guy expressing his first amendment rights, however badly, can somehow set back the cause to uphold the second.

I'm amazed at how precious some people are on here about their so called 'liberty movement' and frankly if it's so weak that one guy shouting on the tv can apparently destroy it then it's no movement at all.

Thank you Alex, I am praying for you.

Because of men like you I will sleep a little bit better.

Alex Jones was in the face of a mouthpeice of the oppressors...

... putting it in no uncertain terms that we will rise up and defend our lives, our liberties and our country.

Pierce Morgan is no gentlemen. He has no honor. Don't let his pompous attitude and accent fool you. He is serving at the behest of a criminal class of psychopaths, who if they get their way, will take everything from you. They want to destroy us all and everything that is good in this world.

Yet people like you disparage a man of courage who understands what they are doing and pushing back the only way they are going to understand. Sometimes you must stand up and face a bully face to face and let him know there is going to be some pain in his near future.

You say your giving up on liberty. That's what the Establishment want you to do. I get fired up listening and watching Jones screaming at the top of his lungs.

That is the American war cry you are hearing in Alex Jone's voice. Don't run in the opposite direction. Stand and fight in anyway you can and let those in power know that they have a fight coming their way if they continue down this road to tyranny.

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"The greatest mystery of all is truth." - Me, 2009

You said it brother

Good Job!