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Alex Jones, Traitor or Imbecile?

UPDATE: I was wrong. I was overly harsh. I was casting stones without having all the information, something I'm vehemently opposed to. I apologize. (see http://www.dailypaul.com/269611/i-was-wrong-and-im-sorry)

My letter to Alex:

You are ridiculous. I can't believe what you just pulled on Piers. Whose side are you on? I'm seriously damn near convinced you're on the globalists' side. You bastard! Do you know how hard you set us back?! That was a FUCKING DISASTER. You displayed less debate skills than Bill O'Reilly and Piers Morgans' lovechild! You are either a profound idiot or an establishment tool, and I will never support you again.

Update (old): I stand by my feelings about Alex's performance. He sunk to the level of Piers and I fail to see how any of you think that's ok. But I am getting trolled out of my mind here. It's driving me nuts. I spend too much of my life working for liberty, to sit here and take shit from people who claim to support it while they fling ad hominems and other personal insults at me and ignore my primary point (that this will not be received well, and it won't, that's just obvious). I've blocked Danton because after numerous insults and absurd attacks and very little in the way of actual substance, he accused me of claiming to be a "savior" and that is crossing the line. This whole experience has me considering just giving up on liberty and trying to live out my life away from people as much as possible. We really are a piece of shit race. I'm done here. Good riddance.



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What Alex did could seriously

What Alex did could seriously be the reason we get gun control in the United States. Forgive me for being passionate.

You already got gun-control..

..You have to register your shit.
You have to get CC permits in all but 4 states.
You have to pay egregious sums to own autos.
You have to let the B A T F know when you sell across state lines.
It's been here.. just don't realize it.

It started back in the 30's with the Federal Fire-Arms Act.

Alex Jones appearance won't be the reason there's gun control.

There IS gun control because governments prefer a defenseless citizenry. This one was effectively disarmed the moment the first law with the word 'gun' was passed.

I don't blame you for being passionate. Passionate is GOOD!
It's what is NEEDED. I applaud you for that much, no doubt. Wish more people were as passionate as you.

But Alex is passionate too. And all pressure against disarming should be welcome.

Even at that, the CAUSE won't be Jones. It will be the same as it's always been, CONTROL.

You're right.

You're right.

+1

:)

And Inasmuch As

"We" would support Ron Paul, "We" need to support Alex Jones for giving it a really good shot.

I used that collectivist "we" because it is used quite frequently in your diatribes against Alex, many as they are.

So answer the question: Are you a gun-owner?

And why do you accuse me of ad-hominem attacks when your entire comment history is filled with words like idiot, asshat, and peppered with adjectives that need censoring?

It truly is hypocritical of you to make those un-founded accusations.
Guess it's just a diversionary tactic from the real discussion.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Yes I am a gun owner, I

Yes I am a gun owner, I already answered when you accused me of that before. You have absolutely no basis with which to make that accusation, so stop it.

One minute you defend Alex's demeanor and throw insults at me left and right, then you are bitching me out for being animated? You have no consistency whatsoever. Every single post you have made has simply been a rude, baseless attack on my personal character. There has been absolutely no reason for any of it. That's why I accuse you of ad-hominem attacks. If you look up what an ad-hominem attack actually is, there's nothing hypocritical or unfounded about it.

And for you to talk about diversionary tactics is pure absurdity. There has literally been not one single valid point made in ANY of your posts. And literally NOT ONE OF THEM has gone without insulting me personally, and the insult never had anything to do with something I actually said, it was just random and rude.

WHO watches CNN?

Especially Piers? They are ONLY completely IGNORANT sheep who TRUST the GOVERNMENT because they are GUN CONTROL SUPPORTERS. I don't know...

Maybe I should just lay off the AJ issue for a while... I really don't like it when I believe I might be being deceived and can't directly put my finger on why.

I'm well aware that there's a lot of bad stuff on AJ however there are some decent explanations such as he's a bit egotistical...

Anyway my point is the audience he was talking to isn't interested in any facts. They want you to tell them how to think on a particular issue because they can't decide for themselves.

Sheep... basically are going to have their opinion solidified due to this "nut" ranting and raving (that's how they see it - of course not how I see it because I do care about facts).

The sheep will not swallow anything which isn't heavily sugar coated. You need to speak to them as if you're talking to a 3 year old. If you rant and rave at a three year old the most that's going to happen is the kid will be screwed up for life.

majority of their ratings

come from DP links when the Youtube version isn't up yet.

It won't work you globalist

It won't work you globalist troll, get off the dailypaul, now! That's a order! Property rights boy lol.

juan maldonado

Funny how often people who

Funny how often people who disagree with you resort to calling you a paid shill around here. Ridiculous really, I have spent so much of my life devoted to liberty. But you can't know that. Neither can you know that I'm a paid shill. So quit making fucking assertions just because you disagree with my point, which by the way at least a quarter of the DP appears to agree with me and my point will be proven in time, you just watch the reactions to this. It's not going to help us. You're a dumbass if you think it will. A willfully ignorant asshole with his head up his ass.

No you're the ignorant

No you're the ignorant asshole! You wouldn't know liberty if it smacked you in the face. Stop it, because we all know you're a troll. Who in there right mind, after what you witness Alex say would make a thread against him? A troll, that's who! It's an honor to witness Alex in action! Im so happy to be alive at this time, because people like Alex Jones are so rare. I know in my heart your true intention punk and that's to discredit men like Alex Jones, Adam Kokesh, Mark Dice, Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, I can go on and on. You really make me mad man! You have no respect! I'm gonna get petition to deport your ass. Mark my words. Leave you troll. Know a patriot when you hear one punk!

juan maldonado

Uhhh

I would have, after that disgraceful performance, but this guy beat me to it.

Putting Jones and Kokesh with Thomas Jefferson?! You've got to be trolling at this point.

Go back to infowars guy. You dont need the logic skills there.

Eric Hoffer

Oh god forbid! Jones and

Oh god forbid! Jones and Kokesh are true Patriots, unlike some people!

juan maldonado

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[To juano510] "Funny how often people who disagree with you resort to calling you a paid shill around here. Ridiculous really, I have spent so much of my life devoted to liberty. "

[To Jones] "Whose side are you on? I'm seriously damn near convinced you're on the globalists' side. You bastard! "

DUUUUDE. You're on a roll tonight! Seriously, the actual interview wasn't as entertaining as your panic-induced ranting comments have been.

So you don't know the

So you don't know the difference between questioning and accusing? My point was that Alex went about this entirely the wrong way, but instead of taking it that way people are accusing me of being an anti-gun liberal who was paid to be here.

And it's total bullshit, because I am a liberty activist! It's what I care about, it's what I do, every single day, all I work for! I never posted anything against guns or what Alex was saying, but you people completely ignored my points and insinuated that I did! I hate people like you! Seriously, get a fucking life. Don't you have something better to do than trolling someone who seriously cares about liberty and wants the world to be a better place and recognizes the fucking REALITY that most people are not going to see this shit and think, "oh, yeah he's a total dick but every single thing he said is 100% accurate", NO! You idiot! They're going to think "Wow what a tool, this is what gun advocates are really like?" SO I know you're going to throw a baseless ad hominem attack at me because you disagree with my method, just remember down the road when they are taking our guns away that I TOLD YOU SO.

You're A Patriot Alright

...An Ego-Centric,Self proclaimed Saviour of the "Movement".

Get off your hypocritical high-horse.
You are no better than anyone else here, contrary to YOUR OPINION.

GoodNight ASSHOLE

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

wow

is this what passes as debate here at the daily paul now,,,, calling other brothers in arms ass holes
come on we're better than that

we need open debate not namecalling

decisivness here is gonna lose people not add them

Thanks Shorty

...for trying to be the "bridge" towards reasonable discussion.
I guess we are better than that, and I was
reacting" to Telfire's ad hominem attacks.

Nobody's perfect....divisiveness is not what I seek, rest assured.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

I never proclaimed myself

I never proclaimed myself "savior", go FUCK yourself. You're ignored for that comment, that's downright unacceptable.

telfire

man,,, is alex jones posting on here

he has some rabid loyalists,,, as rabid as he was tonite

seems thoughtful discussion,,, or disagreement of the path to get where we all wanna go is getting vicious

it seems many ,,, myself included at times,,, talk down to other, feeling empowered,,, or from a position of authority or better than,,,, that we've gained more knowledge,,, know more,,, have it figured out,,,, how dumb that you don't see it as i do,,,, you fool
i hate that aspect,, guess it's human nature

being right is most important---- not the fact we need to teach, enlighten others to maybe see it, look from another view
ramming it down people's throat ain't gonna work

it sucks when you gotta defend yourself against people on your side

we are a minority,, like it or not---- we need to add numbers big time and i agree this ain't the way

every time he does have a valid point this video will be trotted out and will help discredit his message which may be 100%truth

You Never Supported Alex

...And you probably don't own a firearm either...Yes?

It's War my fine-feathered friend.
No Time for niceties
No Time for "civility" when dealing with the enemy in an obvious ambush.
They are coming for our guns, and you only give them credibility as to why......It's Alex or "Them".
Freedom or Serfdom.
Liberty or Tyranny.
Time to choose...the hour is at hand.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Holy crap, baseless

Holy crap, baseless accusations! I am so surprised, coming from YOU!

Yes, I own a firearm! I own a 9MM S&W and I'm planning to purchase a 12g shotgun soon.

I did support Alex. I have watched him for many years.

SERIOUSLY DUDE!!!! YOU have GOT to quit it with the personal attacks and ad hominems! You are looking like an absolute idiot. Nothing you say does anything to counter anything I say! It's just random attacks!

And it's total bullshit,

And it's total bullshit, because I am a liberty activist! It's what I care about, it's what I do, every single day, all I work for! I never posted anything against guns or what Alex was saying, but you completely ignored my points and insinuated that I did! I hate people like you! Seriously, get a fucking life. Don't you have something better to do than trolling someone who seriously cares about liberty and wants the world to be a better place and recognizes the fucking REALITY that most people are not going to see this shit and think, "oh, yeah he's a total dick but every single thing he said is 100% accurate", NO! You idiot! They're going to think "Wow what a tool, this is what gun advocates are really like?" SO I know you're going to throw a baseless ad hominem attack at me because you disagree with my method, just remember down the road when they are taking our guns away that I TOLD YOU SO.

They've ALREADY Infringed on Our Rights

...Perhaps it's escaped your attention.

But then I guess your "ad hominem attacks" on me and others, by yourself, have apparently escaped your attention also.

It was said somewhere else here today:
"Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater".

Guess we will agree to disagree...I just don't care for your frantic, hypocritical rantings....people are reading those also.
And the "I told you so" is entirely just your opinion.

Have a good day....

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Oh Yes, One More Thing..

...Don't be so PRESUMPTIOUS...
...as to even consider telling me, or others....
..WHAT:
We've "GOT TO DO".....

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

i got yer back op

i wish people around here would research alex like they do 911 or any other false flag operations going on in this country. from my research ive deduced hes either a disinfo agent spreading just enough truth to keep himself creadible or at the very best hes a fear mongering narcisist in it for the book, dvd and tshirt sales. either way hes a distraction and causes division within the movement and after tonight you can add credibily destoyer to the list.

Argue the Content not the Delivery

Alex made all the right points, and refused to address the bs drivel Piers was trying to dish. If people here can't back the substance of Alex's debate because of the style in which he delivered the absolute truth, well it's a sad day for the liberty movement. Wake up! There is no civil way to deal with the insanity of msm pundits and the current events that are beyond unacceptable and out-of-control. I agree that there are other ways to address the lame points that Piers puts out, but there is much to be praised about how Alex takes on the stupid discourse and injects prolific substance to the void that idiots like Piers create. We should be honoring Alex for his hard work that is more accurately describing the truth of our world compared to the timid neurotic wimps that complain about his efforts on this forum.

Did you not see the interview after?

Where that had a guy on to come on to the show and argue Alex Jones was the exact type of person who shouldn't have guns?

Where the guy thanked Pierce for having him on to highlight this?

The MSN machine used Alex Jones to promote it's agenda, they used him wittingly or unwittingly, weather he went on to to boost his ratings or if that was somehow his attempt reach out to mainstream Americans on guns. Or as some will say as some kind of insider. :S Either way he walked right into to their trap.

I'm not arguing the content,

I'm not arguing the content, I'm arguing the delivery. Yes, his points were decent, but they were not received, because there was no time for that. He was belting off too many too fast, to the average listener there's no way they sunk in. Even if they weren't too busy thinking about how crazy this guy was acting!

I guess I should get used to the personal insults and ad hominem attacks from people like you who support Piers' methods tonight.

Points were Decent??? Wake Up!!

"Belting too many, too fast." What, you couldn't keep up with the truth in such volume? I understand that Americans are use to absurd nonsense pablum delivered by half-wits like Piers, and that our educational system supports the lack of critical thinking that is ingrained in our society, but for someone like yourself on the DP to complain about the "delivery" of the abundant truth that just got delivered on prime time is so disappointing. Alex was addressing intelligent people that want all the substance that underlies all the facets of this debate. Piers's argument was infantile and without any consideration to the most pertinent facts. A straw man argument wins according to you because of the form of "delivery." Very sad indeed!