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Robert Wenzel: Rand Dons a Yarmulke Over His Rug: Very presidential

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i wish someone would have

i wish someone would have downvoted me for saying this instead of laughing about rand paul selling out. i don't feel right having just said it, even though some of it is true.


I am undecided

on this (non?) issue.

Is Rand a sell-out as some have alleged, or is he just being respectful?

I would love to see a President/politician/diplomat/other government official who is respectful to other cultures--I mean "we" bomb/destroy/drone attack other countries at the drop of a hat--a little respect is welcomed in my opinion--honest friendship, free trade with other countries, entangling alliances with none!!

I will continue to 'watch' Rand. I've disagreed with a few of his votes/other behaviors, but he, Amash and a few others still are at the top of my list...

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Rather insignificant

Those who hate will jump on this as symbolic of Rand's untrustworthiness, but it's rather petty to be upset by it. Some random person taking a pic and posting it on a part of the internet that's not high-traffic kinda discounts the whole "he's doing it for presidential publicity," hypothesis, and following cultural customs that don't compromise core values isn't a sign of a deep evil.

For example, I'd expect those to enter my church to dress a certain way (men in white shirt and ties, no blue jeans, women in modest dresses, nobody in flip flops), and if they don't I just have to assume that their individual circumstance called for a small allowance. It'd be another matter entirely if I know the visitor has clothes that fit the expected dress standard, but deliberately comes to my church in sloppy casual wear just because they don't want to be formal in church.

In this case, wearing the expected thing in this relatively sacred place is a respectful gesture towards the faith and culture of Israel, but doesn't mean a thing politically. It's not principled to be indiscriminantly disrespectful towards all-things (fill-in-the-blank).

"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." -- Thomas Paine

Rand is at the Temple (the wall behind)

where Jesus prayed to god. Like with all religious places, you either do not go or observe the requirements. Obama used to take shoes off before enetring a mosque.

Since all Apostles were Jews (and the Pope is supposedly inherited dominion from St Peter), Popes wear the same hat as Jews do.

The first Christians were

The first Christians were Palestinian Jews, who are the direct forefathers of the Palestinians, some of whom are still Christian.

he said he would cut all foreign aid, when people flamed him

saying he is pro-Israel.. he is visiting israel then people say what the fuck are you turning on us then it turns out he is meeting Palestinians and Jordanians as well people of both sides of the conflict but the fucks on DP just conveniently forgot to mention it.. he then traveled to israel and told israelis on his first day there to their face that he plans to cut all foreign aid.. people then say he is bad because he didn't say to start first with israel.. see a pattern here? that's why i wonder if you all came from middle east or something. it seems as if neutrality isn't enough for you, america must go from voting for israel to voting in favor of wherever the hell you originally came from. why the hell are people like fishyculture even here jacking up thread space because she got infinite time on her hands in political down-season, post-election where everybody else with a job is too occupied to start useful threads. what few women we get, this is the quality we have. great.

i shouldn't even waste my time.. if a few nobody were enough to discourage rand, he wouldn't be doing what he's doing

I seriously doubt he will

I seriously doubt he will meet with Palestinian refugees or any of the common Palestinians. You can bet he will visit Sderot, and comfort the poor pitiful Israelis who are inundated with primitive rockets that kill very few of them.

The knee jerk anti-semitism

The knee jerk anti-semitism is worse for liberty than alex jones.

If it's just to blame all Jews for what their government does, then boy are we Americans in trouble. The world does it to us. It's wrong. It's wrong for us to do others. We are not our government.

I have problems with Rand for Iranian sanctions etc, but not for him putting on the trappings of a religious institution he is visiting as a gesture of respect.

The inimical powers in the world are not a race or ethnic group. It's is the false economic and political ideologies of collectivism and keynesianism and the tiny group of people that knowingly benefit from them.

To belabor the obvious: Racism is collectivism. As Ron Paul has pointed out himself multiple times.

Why so collectivist?

I don't blame "the Jews." But

I don't blame "the Jews." But I do blame the Israeli govt. That is not "anti-Semitic." By the way, Palestinians are Semites too. Why not just say "anti-Jewish"?

Don't disagree. Though I

Don't disagree.

Though I blame 'our' government more, and being the only government I can plausibly influence or that is a danger to me, I think it's the better focus of our attention.

I'm fine with the term anti-semitic though because there's plenty of hate on both sides that I have issue with.

knee-jerk assumption of "anti-semitism"

Israel is not "the jews". People are worried that Rand appears to be kowtowing to Israel, a foreign country that should have nothing to do with American politics, not "the jews".

Isael is not the jewish

Isael is not the jewish people but that doesn't seem to be commonly understood. You may disagree about the quantity of anti-semitism around here but that's not the issue, the issue is it's here at all. To me this place smells like stormfront sometimes.

When he votes for iranian sanctions then we have a complaint. Or supports a Feinstein NDAA amendment that seems to be a trick to make us think he's doing something substantive.

He's wearing a religious hat. In a place of worship. I would be no more worried if it was a fez in a mosque.

If you're not a collectivist, then nothing I'm saying applies to you, and you needn't get your back up when I express concern about them. In fact, if I'm wrong and we have no racists around here at all then no one need take any umbrage about me worrying about this whatsoever anymore than if I was complaining about all the unicorns or reptilians on the forum.

Personally I smell it. If you don't, fine, and I do hope you're right.

Let's go over this point by point.

"Is[r]ael is not the jewish people but that doesn't seem to be commonly understood."

I couldn't agree more.

"You may disagree about the quantity of anti-semitism around here but that's not the issue, the issue is it's here at all. To me this place smells like stormfront sometimes."

"Anti-semitism". You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means. Also "smelling" racism, while failing to provide any examples thereof = not very compelling argument.

"He's wearing a religious hat. In a place of worship. I would be no more worried if it was a fez in a mosque."

And that's fine. What's not fine is when all of our politicians, who are supposed to serve America, must first don the little hat and kiss Israel and AIPAC gluteus maximus before they can even think about their political ambitions being taken seriously.

"If you're not a collectivist, then nothing I'm saying applies to you, and you needn't get your back up when I express concern about them. In fact, if I'm wrong and we have no racists around here at all then no one need take any umbrage about me worrying about this whatsoever anymore than if I was complaining about all the unicorns or reptilians on the forum. Personally I smell it. If you don't, fine, and I do hope you're right"

Whoa, whoa. You're making blanket statements about the DP "smelling" like Stormfront, and only racists are supposed to take offense? If your statement doesn't apply to everyone here, then you better start naming and shaming these so-called racists and make that distinction now. Otherwise you are the one being a collectivist, my friend.

You're really suggesting

You're really suggesting there's no anti-semitism here? I could spend days posting you examples.

But again, let's stipulate there isn't any, and it's all my imagination. Then surely there's no one here that might feel offended by what you believe is my erroneous concern there is. I didn't single anyone out did I? I will not 'name and shame', do that yourself if you think that will help. I do not.

So assuming you're right, all of the non anti-semites that don't post here anyway, surely needn't feel in any way impugned?

So I'm not talking to you, I'm talking to the imaginary anti-semites in my head;)

Or any real anti-semites that might exist. To those guys, real or imagined: you're not helping, and you need to re-evaluate why you're embracing a collectivist ideology.

And no I'm not a fan of AIPAC and have no brief for nor against the state of Israel.

And no it's not collectivist to be against racism. Racists (real ones, not 'racists' who are 'racist' by virtue of having white skin) as a group are an acceptable classification of people to disapprove of because they are characterized by disliking people on the basis of something they are due to their very existence, and not for something they have done. I can denounce murderers as a class, thieves, rapists (or shorthand for all those 'the state'). I can denounce similarly racists who are defined by an immoral characteristic. I cannot morally denounce black, white, men women, jews, or middle eastern people for the mere fact they exist. The justification of disliking or worse someone for something that someone else did who looks, dresses, or worships like someone who is guilty of some crime is collectivism and is immoral.

I certainly do not call for laws against racism. I further oppose increased punishment for people who violate life, liberty or property of others because of racist motivation. (hate speech laws)

But I absolutely morally disapprove of racism as I do of any form of collectivism.

Have you ever heard an actual jew-hater talk about jews?

I don't see anyone here using the "k" word or calling for violence against jewish people. You need to get a grip.

Of course there is anti

Of course there is anti Jewish here sometimes. But I guarantee that there is far more anti Arab and anti Muslim sentiment both here and on other sites.

I know. And it's unfortunate,

I know. And it's unfortunate, and it looks bad.

Wenzel is Jewish




He stated he would end all foreign aid to Israel, in Israel

and with all other countries. I am reserving my judgment at this time... In any case work to restore our republic, do not wait for this politician or any politician!

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - CS Lewis

He said he was for gradually ending it

and that he doesn't expect it to end in his lifetime.

I guess not. Gradually ending 3 billion a year would take several lifetimes.

Great comment on it

"How does wearing a yarmulke make one a sellout? If I were to enter a synagogue or temple in America today I would be asked to where one. It wouldn't make one bit of difference in my stance toward the state of Israel, but I would do so out of respect for my hosts. Or is simply be respectful of Jewish custom that big of an offense?"

“It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till." -J.R.R. Tolkien

And I would have to tell you

"Over there one" Doing my best Igor from "Young Frankenstein" of course.

"wear one."

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

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This is consistent with the "new" strategy.

The old strategy of Ron Paul did not work, we were told. This is the new way to make progress and get things done. I don't like it at all.

Did he play his harmonica

and smoke his marijuanica too? Irregardless he does make a fine looking Jew. LOL

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this is beyond the pale...

if this is what you have to do to get "elected", i'll pass!

this guy proves my point EVERY day...he will NEVER get elected potus and he has probably just cost himself a senate seat

no, wait, he did that last year!

can anyone say lame duck?

the ptb are laughing all the way to the simkhe!

that's "party" in yiddish, btw (thought i would save you the trouble of looking it up;)

it reminds me of obombya bowing to the queen (and that STILL sickens me)

he just gained a few votes and LOST many more!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
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The question I had, and answer

Is it required for men to wear them to enter a synagogue?
Not required, but often expected:

"Yarmulkes/Kippot (Skullcaps)

This is one of the items most commonly associated with Jewish ritual garb. In most synagogues (though not all) men are expected to wear a Yarmulke (Yiddish) or Kippah (Hebrew), which is a skullcap worn on the apex of one’s head as a symbol of respect for God. Some women will also wear a kippah but this is usually a personal choice. Visitors may or may not be asked to wear a kippah in the sanctuary or when entering the synagogue building. Generally if asked you should don a kippah whether or not you are Jewish. Synagogues will have boxes or baskets of kippot at locations throughout the building for guests to use. Most congregations will require any man, and sometimes women as well, ascending the bimah (a platform at the front of the sanctuary) to wear a kippah. For more information see: What Is a Kippah?"

I do not like that Rand is in Israel, not at all. But he is there, and it sounds like he may have been under some pressure to put it on. But then, it shows he will "go along to get along" at a level that makes me very, very nervous.

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.


Israel is an elephant in our living room and you want him to ignor Israel?

Not go to Israel.

Yes, it is my preference that US politicians would stop going to Israel, every one of them.

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

I don't get it

I don't get the point of that.

You think avoiding or neglecting or IGNORing it is smart?

What's the point of not going? What good is not going going to produce?