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Best VIDEO on crime stats that I've seen to date

So far I've stayed out of the gun debate and in stead spent a decent amount of time lurking through the FBI's posted crime stats. Honestly, I've seen a lot of false information presented by both sides of the argument. I expect that from the media and politicians, I guess I just wish that my fellow 2nd Amendment lovers wouldn't stoop to spinning the data as well.

This is the first video that I've seen that I felt was worth sharing on the topic.

http://youtu.be/Ooa98FHuaU0



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Interesting to see more people aware of causes and solutions!

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Stop it and watch the intercity improve

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Freakonomics

Good video, but I think this clip from Freakonomics (on abortion and violent crime) is very relevant and answers the questions that he leaves unanswered:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk6gOeggViw

A government big enough to provide you with everything you need is powerful enough to take everything away (from you).

Ahhh!!

So abortion is really not about women's rights but about eugenics.

This is even more disgusting. I don't think we should assume that someone is going to end up a criminal because of where they were born.
This is getting into some serious Minority Report crap.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

You missed the point

The clip I posted does not make any value judgement on whether abortion should be legal or not. It simply shows that Roe v. Wade had an unforeseen benefit in the reduction of violent crime 18+ years later. The abortion debate is and always has been about women's rights vs the right of the unborn and nothing will change that.

As for the Minority Report reference, I agree that we should not assume anything about the future actions of individuals, but the aggregate statistics on violent crime and who commits them don't lie. Even though violent crime can happen anywhere, the majority of it occurs in densely populated, lower income areas and is generally committed by lower income people.

A government big enough to provide you with everything you need is powerful enough to take everything away (from you).

You believe that BS?

That video is straight propaganda. They find some stats to support their agenda to kill, and make it look like a humanitarian effort. Think about how many other factors go into the crime rate, their just making pointing out a correlation, and where is the cause and effect part of the argument?

The way I see it is that when we, as a society, allow people to legally murder innocent babies, we have lowered our moral standards. Morality becomes arbitrary and undefined, instead of being a constant with no compromise. It skews people's understanding of cause and effect, of action and consequence.

They can act carelessly, but it's okay because they don't need to take responsibility for their actions, and so they are more careless with all their actions, and avoid the responsibility on all of those actions that they can.

How is that supposed to improve crime stats? Maybe if we had more families, more responsible adults and a higher standard of morality, then we could really see some true improvement.

BTW, how is abortion about women's 'rights'? What right are you speaking of? The right to kill? Because that is certainly not a right.

forehead slams into palms.

1st off, you ought to actually read the Freakonomics chapter on abortion and crime. They have no agenda at all, other than to illustrate how data can test cause and effect hypotheses and help us better understand our world...on second thought, probably not your cup of tea.

2nd of all, are you really saying that an egg the moment it's fertilized is a human being entitled to the same legal rights as you and me?

I see several problems with that stance:
1. There is no way to determine at the time whether or not it's actually fertilized...takes days before you can even know
2. Many fertilized eggs (exact % not known but estimated 20-50%) don't actually become pregnancies because the eggs don't attach in the uterus and are flushed out during next menstruation. Wouldn't that then be murder? Shouldn't you then propose charging women who are trying to become pregnant with murder, or at least require a state-regulated conception process to ensure no unknown "human-flushing" is occurring.
3. Shouldn't you also promote charging all fertility doctors, staff, and clients with murder, since fertility clinics regularly fertilize multiple eggs and only use the most viable one(s) for pregnancies and discard the others?

I have a problem with those stances.

I also have a problem with the idea that a baby is legally the same as a woman's toenail until chord is cut.

Seems like a little reason and common sense would help us in this issue, of which both sides have very little.

Molyneux also has a pretty

Molyneux also has a pretty good info dump on gun stats:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFMUeUErYVg

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Yours is even better, IMO.

In terms of quick "bullet" points (pun intended), the posted video is better. But, your video by Stefan is far more comprehensive. Thanks for this info.

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How to get Drudge to post this video?

I'm not above begging in this case.
Thanks.

Excellent video...

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Good video, but...

I couldn't help but see some holes in his arguments.

The crime rates reported were per 100,000 people. Comparing the number of metro areas in the U.S. to England doesn't make much sense. The population of England/Whales shown was around 56 million, while the population of the U.S. is 300+ million. i.e. U.S. population is 5-6 times larger, so we'd expect to have 5-6 times more major metro areas. That's the whole point of adjusting it to per 100,000 people to make it apples to apples. So, strike one.

And he really glossed over the significant difference in murder rates between U.S. and England.

He's got some good points, but plenty of material for a leftist to tear apart.

Your argument is not valid with respect to major metro areas...

For example, China has a population of ~1.3 billion. According to your argument, China should have ~4 times the number of metro areas with populations over 250K (in proportion to US metro areas calculated by population). However, China only has ~150 metro areas with populations above 250K - less than than those in the US.

The number of metro areas in a given country has many more variables than just the absolute population of the nation.

Great video! Best thing I've

Great video! Best thing I've seen this gun debate cycle

Gun Debate

Now if Alex had brought these kinds of stats he woud have won the argument... instead he just gave them an excuse to write him off.

Don't get me wrong, part of me likes seeing the establishment get dumped on by the unconventional... something very liberty like and free... But it would be nice to have somone with these kinds of facts to win the arguments.

So to sum it up:

1) The US has 5-6 times the number of large metro areas where the vast majority of the murders take place

2) The violent crime rate in England/wales is 4 times our rate

3) The "offical" police reports of crimes is considered there to be dramitcaly lower than the REAL number (http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jul/14/crime-st...)

If you take into account the violent crime and under reporting of REAL murders it's safe to bet that the murder rate in England/Wales is actualy higher than the US.

Thankyou

poster - a good quality video with facts/data and someone delivering it in a useful/calm manner (unlike other videos being posted over and over here the last two days) to convince more people to join the liberty movement - and not deter them.

You are welcome!

You can also thank the video maker at his Facebook page if you like. I posted the link in a previous comment and it's also in the end credits of the video itself.

Excellent video with one caveat...

I'm having a hard time with the claim that the FBI is "unbiased" with no political agenda or influence. But that's for another discussion and if anything makes his case even stronger if you believe as I do.

If men are good, you don't need government; if men are evil or ambivalent, you don't dare have one.

What he said.

Plus, it's that drug thing. You know, like who owns your body and stuff?

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and post this video clip. I did! Let's make this go viral.

This gun grab they are on was the same thing that happened in Australia when there was a massacre at Port Arthur, Tazmania.....the same with Scotland and the massacre at Dunbane. Norway had a gun ban and it did not stop the massacre at Utoya Island. Mexico has strick gun bans and there have been approximately 50,000 killed in the past few years.

Seems like an out and out gun grab to me and Alex Jones was an ass on the Piers Morgan show the other night and did not do the cause any good. He looked like a mad man. Makes me believe he truly is cointel.

This is THE BEST

video I have ever seen on the topic. Congratulations to this very smart man that cuts through the bull and goes directly to the stats. Thank you. Lets spread this far and wide and kill the gov agenda.

I was researching my state

I was researching my state violent crime statistics and except for murder, the second most lethal weapon is hands, feet and fists. Aggrevated assault and robbery committed by bodily force are right under guns as weapons. Rape is committed almost exclusively by bodily force.

If this doesn't inspire everyone to get in shape, I don't know what will. To protect yourself, make a news years resolution to get in great physical shape!

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already have! I feel great!

already have! I feel great!

Keep it up! Go for it! I am

Keep it up! Go for it!

I am completely floored to know that the 2nd weapon (in my state) used most often in violent crimes is our own bodies.

Boxing might be a good sport to learn. You can get in shape and learn how to knock someone out. Ha! :-)

"With enough of us, around the world, we’ll not just send a strong message opposing the privatization of knowledge — we’ll make it a thing of the past." ~ Aaron Swartz

Raw, data at it's best.

Just shared it on facebook.

Something he missed.

There's a difference in how the US and Great Britain report murders. The US reports a murder when they have a body. Great Britain reports a murder when they have a conviction.

So it's good for our side of the argument that the Great Britain murder rate is almost as high as that in the US even without any correction for this massive reporting bias.

Similarly with Japan: Consider a husband who comes home and kills his three kids, wife, and himself. In the US that's counted as four murders and a suicide. In Japan it's counted as five suicides. (The term is "family suicide". Ask someone at a Japanese consulate about it. It also applies if the husband, after killing the rest of his family, makes some apparent attempt at killing himself but fails to do so: Four suicides, no murders. Is it any wonder the Japanese report a lower murder and vastly higher suicide rate than the US?)

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"Obama’s Economists: ‘Stimulus’ Has Cost $278,000 per Job."

That means: For each job "created or saved" about five were destroyed.

can you provide a link?

I would love to have a direct source for that.

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