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Sandy Hook smoking false flag? Debunk this if you can.

Many thanks to celeste for the post that showed me this, I just felt this deserved a thread of its own. I think she'll agree.


"By EDMUND H. MAHONY and DAVE ALTIMARI, emahony@courant.com The Hartford Courant

11:44 p.m. EST, December 15, 2012"

The date and time are important here. This is the next NIGHT, so a day and a half have passed. Here is the story of the Soto classroom:
"Lanza next arrived at teacher Victoria Soto's classroom. Soto is believed to have hidden her 6- and 7-year old students in a classroom closet. When Lanza demanded to know where the children were, Soto tried to divert him to the other end of the school by saying that her students were in the auditorium.

But six of Soto's students tried to flee. Lanza shot them, Soto and another teacher who was in the room. Later, in their search for survivors, police found the remaining seven of Soto's students still hiding in the closet. They told the police what had happened."

Please note this is reported as eyewitness testimony given to police.


Here is the heart-wrenching story of the Grandpa who found some Sandy Hook students on his lawn...
"There were six of them, small children sitting in a neat semicircle at the end of his driveway. A school bus driver was standing over them, telling them things would be all right. It was about 9:30 a.m., and the children, he discovered, had just run from their school to escape a gunman.

“We can’t go back to school,” one little boy told Rosen. “Our teacher is dead. Mrs. Soto; we don’t have a teacher.”

So, when did the kids end up on Rosen's lawn? After Adam shot them or after they told the police what happened? And then the police turned 6 of them, not all 7, over to "a man" (as Gene first said) I mean a female bus driver (as Gene and later reports said?)

As near as I can tell, Gene's story seems to have broken that day, here:

Maybe these folks would like to clarify this little math problem?

Gene going from "man" to"bus driver" here (scroll down):

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Trolls take the night off?

Budget cuts to the night shift? Where are all the "You're crazy" posts?

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Interesting results from Poll at one of your links:


Does FAU prof James Tracy make the case that last month's Sandy Hook school shootings may not have been the massacre as reported?

Yes (4117 responses)


No (2737 responses)


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I've got to ask

Does anyone know how many students were in Mrs. Soto's class?

This would be important to establish.

It's possibly some students fled the scene, left the closet and ran, after the shooting stopped but before police arrived, somehow.

The only problem with that is Lanza supposedly didn't shoot himself until after LEOs arrived. That would mean the kids would have to get past the cops and run to Rosens.

And people wonder why theories sprout up all over.

Maybe if a person could get some answers to troubling questions it might ease the conspiracy stuff.

I'm beginning to think the conspiracies are of great benefit to whomever might be benefiting from them. Therefor, no question goes answered.

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In the class, or present that day?

Every child present that day is supposedly accounted for in these stories.
Here is the class photo:
Six died running (apparently one is not in the photo) seven in the closet, that leaves 3 extra. It does not add up any way you slice it.

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Hi fishy

I did a little lookin' around, it looks like 15 or 16 students.

And thanks for helping get started stacking a couple of years ago.

Canoeing the LM, yea that was always fun.


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I don't know enough about web

I don't know enough about web crawlers to say that this actually means anything or not. If someone can explain this, I would appreciate it.
How does bing take a snapshot of a page like this?


Can the page not actually look like this on the date that the snapshot is made, then be changed?

If that link doesn't work maybe this does, for some reason it gives me problems. http://www.newtownbee.com/News/News/2012-12-14__11-05-25/Sho...

how did he shoot every one

in the face 3 or 4 times if six victims were killed fleeing?

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And if those were the same six children

sitting on the lawn...

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Rosen did say

they were there for 2 hours
and he did say he "wished he could call their parents"
the kids weren't too stressed(in his eyes) to not drink juice
play with toys,one even commented"your house is too small"
i always wondered why he couldn't or didn't call their parents
you'd think they would want to know,i would

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lol he didn't

he shot one the foot,she survived :)

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or huddled together?

Really, the whole narrative leaves me with a great big WTF?!

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Another thing I can not wrap my brain around is

the state coroner stated all victims had been shot with a long rifle but the only rifle recovered was outside in the trunk of the car? Did I miss somwething?

The weapon shown being removed

from the trunk of the black car in the parking was
clearly not a rifle but a shotgun - DP'ers viewing
it mostly concluded that it was a Remington 1100
or similar.


Video uploaded one month before the shooting?


And fundraisers for the victims on Facebook set up days before?

Weird ... but the guy is saying he switched videos

Here is one of his Sandy Hook tribute videos. Read what he wrote below:


I found something odd, though. This guy posts as Joseph Ametrano.

There is a Joseph Ametrano who owns Ashley's Ice Cream, which has a store in New Haven CT, near Yale University, and about a block away from 64 High St., which is where Skull & Bones is located.


Also, the company that did his website is Think Creative Group, which has a really sh**ty website for a company that does websites for big money companies and organizations. They don't even host their own portfolio on their own website.

Very strange. Almost looks like a spook-connected company.

What the... are you kidding me?

Here is a better video, easier to read the dates.

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following your link


this shows a tribute to the dead,created on nov,10,2012
scroll the mouse over the date,by the guys name

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I must say

I find this the oddest thing yet.

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have you seen this one yet?

for what i am asking,skip to the 22:00 mark
the announcer says "heres Vicki Soto" and out walks
her sister Carlee

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do you mean 2:20?

which video? (thought you meant the vimeo one)

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almost to the end of the video
shows a girl in a green dress,that girl
is carlee,but watch to the end

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which video though?

there's 2 youtube's and a vimeo in this 'thread' and the vimeo is 4:40 long and you say skip to 22:00

tbh it's late and I've had a drink but I'd like to revisit it...inquiring mind etc. Link me up please.

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sorry, my bad

in this video


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I'll check it out.

Something else is weird, too

It says that Lanza got to Soto's room and demanded to know where the kids were. Why? How would he know she had any kids? There are plenty of empty classrooms in schools. It would seem more normal to see a classroom with just a teacher -- an ADULT who might actually be able to stop him -- and just shoot her. Why stop and have a chat?

And then ...

It says (a) he demanded to know where the kids were, and then (b) some kids tried to escape and he shot them, and then (c) some kids were found in the closet.

OK, so she hides them in the closet. Then, he shows up and he doesn't see any kids, which is why he stops to have a chat with her about where they are. Then some try to escape (from the CLOSET, right?) ... and THEN LATER ... the remaining kids are found in the closet.

How the hell did he not get all of the kids in the closet if he was specifically looking for kids to shoot, and some of them escaped FROM the closet ... RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM (how else could it have happened)?


Yeah, I noticed that about the close when I read it then forgot.

When I got to the 6 dead kids running down the road, I kind of got "mind blown."
And the chat is odd. So many of the encounters do not add up. The nurse hid under her desk where Adam both was visible, only his boots and she was not sure if he was even in the room or not, and he also bent down under her desk and looked her eye to eye. Sally / Sarah is a slippery little eel, too.

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Riddle me this...

I'm not saying I believe this or not. I'm not saying Sandy Hook was anymore than a huge tragedy perpetrated by a mentally ill man...BUT, I keep coming back to the rest of the school, and the community. If this is just some big hoax, and there are 'crisis actors,' running around, wouldn't SOMEONE mention this? Wouldn't SOMEONE say, "But that child didn't go to Sandy Hook?" Wouldn't another teacher speak up? Surely, if things didn't add up, someone in Newtown would say so.

my sentiments exactly

I love conspiracy theories, and I'm even a 9/11 truther, but you are right. It's very hard to believe that someone wouldn't have said that. I'll agree some of these parents don't seem to upset, but people grieve in weird ways sometimes.

The woman

in the video linked below says a pic of her daughter was initially circulated as being one of the victims of Sandy Hook...her daughter was NOT one of the victims!!!

PROOF SANDY HOOK IS FAKE Woman's Daughter's Photo used for Sandy Hook

The amount of outright lying, disinformation, misinformation, propaganda, etc. concerning this matter is disgusting!

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