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Now this is a "social program" I can get behind!

A small Utah town has a population of less than a thousand people, but the City Council is proposing that each one of its citizens own and carry handguns.

Spring City Councilman Neil Sorensen, the man behind the bold proposal, wants to take it even further. He wants the city to pay for every elementary school teacher in the town to take a concealed carry permit class.

Sorensen says the Council is taking a stand for the Second Amendment, while at the same time standing up against gun violence.

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Ha, I know this town. I drank

Ha, I know this town. I drank the water from the local spring in the center of town. A former partner of mine lives there and he told me that a few long time residents got rid of some pot smoking hippies by burning down their house. I wouldn't F around in this town, guns or not.

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

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Yes yes.. Evil evil town

We gotcha.

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Haha

I'm kind of a hippie, and I have never owned a gun and am really very non aggressive or confrontational. I also travel a lot, I have the next 2 years of my life set up with a lot of moving, but a friend recently asked where I want to settle in the US when I get back and I told him a place where everyone has a gun.

This was shocking to him because I have never been interested in guns. However when I pointed out that I would not have to own a gun to live there, the only difference is that no one would no I did not have a gun and things would be good with the world.

“I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
― Dr. Seuss

Very good point.

We could easily have a safer nation if even 1/4 of the population were packing a CC.

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Right

Because there are some people who genuinely do not care to own or carry a gun. I am one of those people. I also do not care if others want to own or carry a gun. I know one gun owner in my whole circle of family and friends and he almost always has it with him. That's cool, when him and I went to Arizona a few summers ago, I kind of liked knowing he had it. I do not want it though because.... well... I am clumsy, and so non confrontational I do not think it would even do me any good if I had one.

Also, I posted a thread about the women in India wanting guns after the recent rape and unfortunate death of a woman on a bus there. Wouldn't that be amazing if they could have guns, I bet less women would be raped if the men there knew that those females probably had a gun.

“I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
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I will add to my above statement though.. I do think

it is our responsibility to exercise our rights and especially the 2nd Amendment.. I think people began to drift away from carrying for the reason you state and for others... which we have to be careful of..

For whatever the reason, now it hasn't been visible in the public eye so people are shocked to the point of fear when they see one..which the media has had no small part in fostering.

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I'll give you that

It is hard for me to admit this on this forum because people overreact, but since I have had good conversations with you in the past before I will be completely honest.

There is something about the sight of guns that makes me nervous. Please do not read that as I think everyone should hand their guns over to the government. I would rather regular citizens have the guns than solely the police or military.

Also, simply not being exposed to guns with the exception of maybe a hunting rifle or two that maybe an uncle or my Dad had around the house can explain a little of my nervousness.

I also had a cousin who was in Columbine school on the day of the shooting. I was in middle school, and something about that stuck with me and made me think that guns were bad. Now that I have grown up I understand it is not the gun that killed those students that day, but that kind of fear at such a young age (the same thing the students from Newtown will undoubtedly feel for years) is confusing and the media does not help the situation as you pointed out.

I come from a world of liberals with the exception of my father. I know how they think and why they think like they do. I think giving them information on places like Switzerland, and the town in Georgia, and the women in India is one way to help people understand.

“I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
― Dr. Seuss

In my eyes, you need one on many levels.

I think you need to get used to them a little.. I don't know to what depth your nervousness goes but I have always been too when I was around them.. which makes me very very conscious of my surroundings and it gives me a deep respect for what they can do.

A person may enjoy them but they ARE NOT a toy... they are a tool and deserve that deep respect.

Maybe you need to visit a shooting range every so often and see if you can take a little of that edge of concerning them.. Hell you may even get to where you like and enjoy them and I bet you'd make a very responsible owner.

Anyway, it's getting late.. You made some good points. Take care.

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Very few things in this world upset me very much

I am not overly emotional and I do not cry easily. Last night what I took from the Alex Jones interview was the point he made about the females in India. I had already been following that story closely, but I spent a few hours last night researching the story further and I was crying like a baby.

It moved me, and to know I am allowed to have a gun (at least right now I am) and those women so desperately want guns really made me think about it further.

I like the point you make about them not being a toy, clearly they are not, but it is important to remember what they can do. I can say with my nervousness if I did have a gun, it would not be looked at as a toy by any means.

“I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
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I believe you.

Most gun owners are very respectful and safe people.

I hope that one day, all Americans understand the importance of the 2nd Amendment, in it's promise of protection against tyranny and one's family and self.

Maybe one day we could, as a nation, not be so afraid. This country is scared shitless.

Sorry for the slow reply.. with all of that AJ stuff, I missed your comment, I guess.

Good talking with you.

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bump. +1

Will anyone ever recognize the fantastic example that is Switzerland?

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

They're trying it there too but it's culturally ingrained

similar to this country... I don't think it will gain much traction.

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Not bad up until the end of the video:

The one fellow says that crime dropped 50% after it was instituted without elaborating that the town only had about 5000 people back then. Now it has about 28000 and the crime level compared to other cities of it's size and scope is almost nothing. And that is an amazing fact considering its proximity to Atlanta, which is actually quite a hot bed of such things.
Then the other fellow has to interject his little comment about not having duels in the street are they?
They just couldn't leave it as something possitive. That last little comment to set negativity in the mind of the viewer just had to be thrown out there.

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"That last little comment to set negativity in the mind of the

viewer just had to be thrown out there."

That's the media for you.. They're so used to fear-mongering, it just flies out, instinctively.

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I'm good with it.

Check the stats on crime in this town 10 years from now.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

So, if the government can't protect you,

then it will force you to protect yourself?

LOL no silly..

Did you hear the part where the Sheriff changed prompted the language change? Wakey Wakey, eggs and Bakey.

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You.. Or they are not

You.. Or they are not suggesting that gun ownership be mandatory are you? I hope not. That goes against everything we believe in. You can't use government to force people to take care of themselves and this includes gun protection.

You can. If people in a

You can.

If people in a society believe that a trained and armed civilian population is the best way to ensure domestic tranquility, they have the right to make you do it. Or, you can leave that society.

Think about it in practical terms, they would say that by not having a gun or by not paying a fine, you are leeching off your neighbors, who end up providing free security to you while having to accept you as a liability.

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Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

"If people in a society believe that a trained and armed

civilian population is the best way to ensure domestic tranquility, they have the right to make you do it."

You stand out like a sore thumb. The whole thing we're fighting for is not telling commanding someone to do something they don't want to and that includes carrying a gun if they don't want to.

You don't really understand shit about Liberty do you. I really think you chose that name as a form of mockery and I bet you piss around on boards pretending that you're one of us. Much like you do here. :)

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So I guess you would be

So I guess you would be against punishing someone for murdering someone else.

That person wanted to kill someone! How dare you force him to do something he didn't want to do! That includes killing a person!

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I guess I should have seen the extreme ignorance

that a neocon can display, coming.

Yes, that's exactly the same as your idea of forcing law abiding citizens to do something they don't want to. Absolutely!

No wonder you douches are on your way out.

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It's just a resolution

There's no penalty or punishment for not owning a firearm.

"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds."-Samuel Adams
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Then it's meaningless or

Then it's meaningless or stupid. More liberty, less resolutions.