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Freedom Lovers,

What will it take to bring down a drone? Will a 50 caliber rifle with a high powered scope and an experienced marksman be able to inflict enough damage on a drone to bring it down or render the machine useless? This is extremely important to figure out. If we can't bring down drones...our chances for success are small. Look at the rebels in Afghanistan and Pakistan...and they likely have access to better weaponry(?). Are they able to take down drones? Not to my knowledge.

Thoughts?

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People are naive if they think that there isn't access

to high powered anti air guns and missile manpads hanging around in our country, in many states machine guns and bazookas and flamethrowers, artillery are readly available and some you need permits, some you don't, my guess is the ex-vets,militia,ex seals across the states do have access to mighty weaponry. for god sakes this is America

, and with sotoro pissing off ex seals and elite squads, you really don't know what them seals would be up to, and if they turn drones against us during the revolution its not hard to envision the military providing access in local armories the high tech weaponry to counter the feds attack

Seems to me one of these would work nicely...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJnVR_aGDeA

(shoots a large net)

"Damn the pandas, full steam ahead"

-Admiral David Farragut

Iran did it by spoofing GPS.

Caused it to land safely on their soil.

.

If it can't be done with firepower

...then we need some brilliant hackers.

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”
- President John F. Kennedy

Who

operates the drones?

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

DHS and/or Active Duty Millitary

...that's who. Think they won't? Why not? They kill innocent civilians NOW with drones:

http://truth-out.org/news/item/10907-cover-up-of-civilian-dr...

They will do anything they are told to do...especially when it is ordered to "keep the country from falling into the hands of fringe rebels".

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”
- President John F. Kennedy

Of course they will,

I was trying to point out that we shouldn't be focused on taking down drones, if/when that time comes, but focus on who is operating them. ;)

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

Deception

If the situation in America deteriorates to the point where Drones are being used to do what the Legal Criminals did in Waco back in 1993, which is to murder massive numbers of innocent people (for profit), then figuring out ways to stop those attacks in America won't be information that is easy to transfer from one targeted victim to another, freely, on the internet.

So...the concept of defense against Drones while defense against Drones can be Public Access Information now sounds like reasonable information to have, and secure, in memory storage, however, the attackers tend to stay one step ahead, and it ought to be a concept understood by the defenders sooner, rather than so late in the game whereby Drones are raining down like rain on a hot summer day.

Joe

And don't forget that most Americans

were cheering on the "Legal Criminals" while they were doing the killing. There will be more Americans helping the apostate government than there will be fighting it.

Not so quick for me on the measure

What does "most of the people" mean - exactly?

I think this is telling:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0O3B7N848o

Quote:

"How many people here think I make crackpot points?"

"How many think I make sensible points?"

In context (and not a case of me intending to shoot you down): I ran for congress soon after Waco because of Waco and many other false measures of "common knowledge" flowing through our social networks like bad money.

I ran on the "it is wrong to torture and murder babies" ticket and "involuntary taxes is a false front for crime made legal" and I was not greeted with tar and feathers.

Many people woke up with Waco. Waco was a test case, a method by which very evil people can see how much their victims will take, and how far the goal posts can be moved, and which tactics work, and which devices work, and the experiments at Waco uncovered valuable information to those Legal Criminals who willfully perpetrated that massacre.

What do you think was the cause of the Militia Movement?

Not you, the OP, but anyone reading this, anyone, and ONE person.

What do you think was the cause of the Oklahoma City massacre?

There aught to be a way in which reasonable people, individuals that we are, but reasonable individuals, aught, to be able to move through the information and cut out the false information and in an authoritative way, a reasonable way, an effective way, an expedient way, and an accurate way, move closer to the truth of any matter where innocent people are tortured and murdered individually or in mass.

Look here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hswcbvx2Z8c

I know this is a work load, but my measure of how quick I am to judge the facts, the measures, of who is deceptive on purpose, who is deceptive without knowing, who is among the many, and who are among the few, etc. is a hard earned viewpoint arriving at this point right here at this time.

Look here:

http://www.barefootsworld.net/trial01.html

That is a way, as imperfect as it was when it worked, where people could be reasonable in a way that moves further away from deception and closer to the truth in cases where an individual, as we all are individuals, where an individual is presumed to be innocent but an individual is, as they say, caught red handed, and we don't want to abandon the victim, who may as yet still be squirming with torturous injury, and we do not want to be that which we supposedly abhor, so we do not want to convict, and in that way punish, an innocent person ourselves.

http://www.dcdave.com/article5/080406.htm

Joe

Sorry. You lost me when you didn't know

what "most people" means. Most means a majority.

But after skimming the rest of your post I am somewhat anxious for you to enlighten me on the "cause" of the militia movement. But if you say Waco then I say Wrong. The militia movement was alive and well long before Waco.

Perspectives are not one.

My experience is such that Waco triggered an accelerated increase in people moving toward organized mutual defense against criminal governments.

I went to meetings. I ran for congress. My experience is certainly not yours, and so my words may not have meaning to you in the way that my words have meaning to me.

You now say that I am "wrong".

You said this:

"But after skimming the rest of your post I am somewhat anxious for you to enlighten me on the "cause" of the militia movement. But if you say Waco then I say Wrong."

Previous to Waco was an incident involving Randy Weaver.

Your viewpoint is yours.

My viewpoint is mine.

If you see things differently then that does not make my measure of things wrong.

Previous to the incident involving Randy Weaver there were X number of people seeking to find ways to defend themselves against criminals in government.

After the incident involving Randy Weaver there were more than X number of people seeking to find ways to defend themselves against criminals in government.

That is my experience. I could be wrong. I don't have the power to ask everyone on the planet earth if they did, in fact, see what happened to Randy Weaver, and his wife, and his son, etc., and then ask each person on the planet if they were then inspired to seek ways, or find ways, to defend themselves against criminals in government, so I could be wrong, and I could be just as wrong as you can be, since you also don't have that power to know the accurate facts.

You can say that I am wrong by misunderstanding what I said, then claim that what you misunderstood about what I said is wrong, and that has what to do with me?

If I said that there was no such thing as a militia before Waco, then your claim about how wrong I am could be true.

What does that have to do with me?

As to your claim about the so called majority, as ambiguous as whatever it is you are claiming may be, again, your power to know the facts is missing in that regard too.

So what does that have to do with anything I said, or anything I think, and unless you ask, you can't know, so you being lost appears to me to be a goal of yours, and you being sorry appears to be false to me.

Have a fine day, there are plenty left for many of us, I suppose.

Joe