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Nobody is "coming for your guns"

We are falling for it all over again. Just when we start to think we are the enlightened ones, the powers that be show us that we can be fooled by the same old tricks.

America’s guns are not going to be taken away. Our government lacks the political will and man power to accomplish such a task especially in the face of tens of millions of private gun owners who far outnumber the military and police forces of our nation. That disparity grows even further when you factor in the notion that most of those police and military are firm believers in the 2nd Amendment which they swore to defend.

Is gun control really a valid debate in this country right now? Is the most well -armed country in the world really in any danger of losing their right to carry firearms? Or, are we simply being distracted yet again from the true injustice taking place in our country, the devaluation and theft of our currency?

Politicians have been fooling the masses for ages by arguing issues which have no chance of changing in any practical manner. Presidential candidates argue about abortion, knowing full well that nothing will change. They pretend to care about immigration, foreign wars, etc. when in reality, both parties end up continuing the same basic policies as their predecessors.

They do this because it keeps us distracted from the fact that they continue to steal our money. If we are busy supporting the left because we want gun control, we don’t notice that the left is stealing our money. If we are busy supporting the right because we want to end abortion, we don’t notice that the right is stealing our money. They tax it away, and they inflate it away, all the while we are busy arguing about laws which are not changing, and will not change. There may be small areas of the country where these things are more or less accepted, or even states who try to pass their own laws, but in reality, abortion and guns aren’t going away no matter what either side says. The only thing that is going away while we are focused on mass shootings and whatever else the media feeds us, is the value of our currency.

Even when the politicians talk about the budget and inflation, they still distract us from the real problem. They argue about the budget, faking like we are going off a cliff if one side or the other doesn’t get what they want. In reality, we already went off the cliff and both sides of the argument wouldn’t have it any other way. If the left wins the argument and gets everything they want, we are in debt $1.6 trillion for the year. If the right wins, maybe it’s only $1.5 trillion. In either case, their debate doesn’t have any really effect on the problem.

Why is this charade taking place? I think it’s as simple as this the fact that printing money makes the Federal Reserve rich, so the people making money off our currency collapse continue to fund the campaigns of those who further the problem. So while mom and dad argue over the remote control, the burglars are robbing us blind.

Even as I am convinced that this is the source of the problem, and so I am not particularly scared of losing my right to own a firearm, I also see clearly that a collapse of our currency and then our economy, could full well have the effect of creating the political will to make these changes which currently seem so unlikely. While I'd disagree with many of you who believe that this was the plan all along, I certainly see the possibility. Rest assured however, that while the pessimist in me doesn’t see us overcoming the fiscal disaster, the optimist in me knows that when it happens, the only ones armed will be those who still believe in the 2nd Amendment.

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Now You've Been Doubly Poned OP

Obama to Top Brass: Will you fire on American Citizens?
- http://youtu.be/kzT6X3_Bg9o

I originally poned you here:
http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2911694

- AMAZING PHOTO delineating where UNRESTRAINED CAPITALISM has taken us: http://www.rense.com/general96/whatare.html
- "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."-- Mohandas Gandhi

deacon's picture

"no one" doesn't have to

all no one has to do is make ammo scarce
this has been done already
or implement an ammo ban
or even go so far as to restrict the buying of ammo
so yes,you can keep your guns,because at the point
of running out of ammo,they become hammers
deacon

setting your expectations to high,can cause depression

I own shotguns -- Buying a Hand-gun this year

If they take away my right (in the future) or limit my access to AR-15 type guns, but I get to keep my shot-gun and hand gun; I'm straight.

They can take away or limit my ability to own anti-air missiles, tank killers, high-end explosives, and nuclear munitions.

I just want the right to carry a gut buster -- that's it.

They can take away my right to own and carry hand grenades and pipe bombs too -- don't need 'em.

Once they get down to hand-guns and shot-guns then I'll take issue; but until then, I don't have a need to kill more than 3 or 4 people at a time.

There are more CRUCIAL "rights" we've lost -- the right to print competing currencies is one.

The right to opt-out of government spending is another -- these issues free you from the "oh my god they are coming for my guns 'side-show'"

Without the 2nd..

there is no 1st. Or 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th or 10th.

Bill of Rights is a piece of paper. There is no way to list them on the top and on the same line. ALL rights are EQUALLY important. Until you realize that, you may as well kiss them all goodbye.

Natural born God-given Rights do not have orders of importance or preference. But the 2nd is what backs it all up. In compromise, one or both parties always lose.

2014 Liberty Candidate Thread: http://www.dailypaul.com/287246/2014-liberty-candidate-thread

2016 Potential Presidential Candidates: http://alturl.com/mt7tq

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

You cannot "restore" a document that was ignored

by every President, Congress, and Senate from Washington to Obama.

The Constitution was the "line of best fit" and the Founders (by their own words) were not pleased with it -- at all; some of whom were dead set against it, but went along because the spoils of war had to be tabulated.

I think what would disgust the Founders the most today, is that we still have the most ignored (yet worshipped) document ever written as our "polestar"

Hell -- they were drunk as hell when they wrote it, hahahaha.

What I said above is absolutely true, you may disagree with the implied conclusion, but you cannot re-write history to eliminate the truth of the remainder: That! The Constitution has be circumvented by every administration from Washington to Present and that no group of US Citizenry have EVER come close to rectifying that situation (as evidence by the number of times RP voted alone and by how many bills or pieces of legislation he ever got passed).

I'm IN FAVOR of gun "rights" (in the legal sense) -- I reject the notion that God gave us any rights that "prevent" wrongs from being in-acted -- If there is any "right" that God gave us it is the "right" to try not the guarantee from failure or from harm or from theft or from death; as evidence by the number of people who have died or will die, by the evidence of the numbers who have been wronged on the exact issues "god given rights" are meant to protect -- and as evidence by the number of times Gov'ts have taken away those rights, stole property, kidnapped, or murdered in complete disregard of any such "pact"

We have the right to "try" and the guarantee of death. That's about as close to absolutes as you will get.

Our "rights" in the legal sense -- come from Gov't -- God never stops atrocities directed by Gov'ts; observe all world history.

Right now I enjoy the "rights" to bare arms and I will accept (as will most all 2nd Amendmenters when the SHTF) that I can no longer purchase AR-15's -- as there is nothing I can do about it; save vote-and-lobby and that is NOT a free-market good, it is the basis of capitalism-corporatism (we begun with limited voting and now everyone can vote -- still never came close to a free-society, by Mises recollection).

All things just read and uttered are easily proven, hopefully you will "see it" and devise an alternate strategy because the War on Arms will only end in the bloodshed of those who bare them against gov't (less you can show me an alternative possibility that is not emotional base, I'd love to hear it -- if your solution is that we "vote better" than I would re-direct your attention to what voting begets (thus far and given all world history).

OctoBox

You misinterpreted my entire post, beginning with 'restore', which I did not mention.

I do agree, however, that there is nothing to 'restore'. Our individual natural-born rights must be 'enforced', as I have stated in my sig. Whether one accomplishes that goal, or perishes trying, that is also a choice of the individual.

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"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Coming after our guns...

Of course nobody is coming after our guns. Who wants to get shot?

While I do think there will be backdoor means of disarming...

...such as insurance clauses and mental health trickery, it would be naive to think there would not be actual gun confiscation.

Just ask the victims of the Katrina gun grab.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4

That should serve as an ugly reminder that there ARE those in this country who are quite willing to disarm the citizenry.

What's your price for ratting on your neighbor?

Next month's food stamp ration?

Next unemployment check?

Next hospital bill?

Free includes debt-free!

Not a gun grab yet, but certainly a federal list of gun owners

The goal seems to be having a complete federal registry of 95% of gun- owners so they know precisely who to avoid or disarm in a revolt.

Furthermore, giving CDC power to decide what causes gun violence will only legalize thought crime. Read orwells 1984 if you need a reminder.

Somebody hit the nail on the head when it was said here that this is the new wedge issue and campaign mantra. The media will keep this topic inte spotlight for the foreseeable future.

Most patriots knew Obummer would go this way.

Wont be too long now as Morgan, and the rest of the corrupt congress and usurpers throughout the "government" start to do the gallows swing. I promise to stay alive long enough to judge and/or pull the lever.

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves." William Pitt in the House of Commons November 18, 1783
"I have one word for you...predator drones. Oh, you think I'm kidding?" Obombya

we all knew a false flag was

we all knew a false flag was coming after the election and Obama would go for the guns. It's not rocket science when the entire financial system is teetering on the brink of collapse.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

They've already taken miles....one inch at a time.

It's my sincere hope that this is the last straw.

____

"Take hold of the future or the future will take hold of you." -- Patrick Dixon

SteveMT's picture

They had the political will to pass the Patriot Act....

and the NDAA. They assassinate U.S. citizens. They continue to have the political will to fund all of our undeclared wars of aggression. Now we are also "helping" France in Malawi with our drones and ferrying troops around, services that we would consider acts of war if done to us.

I would say that our government is capable of anything.

U.S. to help France in Mali battle – without putting troops on the ground
Mike O'Brien | Posted: 01/16/2013 12:00:00 AM EST |

The U.S. military is poised to ferry hundreds of extra French troops to the North African country of Mali, to help in the latest battle against Al Qaeda-linked rebels.
Pentagon officials said are plans to send drones or other surveillance aircraft and provide help with aerial refueling of French fighter jets, but stressed there will be no U.S. “boots on the ground.”
http://www.idga.org/force-protection/articles/u-s-to-help-fr...

Old news. And maybe not even relevant any more.

Since now they have American hostages, we might be putting boots on the ground after all.

You are overlooking one important factor

While you are right that we have the military and police outnumbered... you have overlooked the UN's involvement. In fact, there has been a plan on the "books" since 1961 to disarm American citizens with the help of the UN.

http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/arms/freedom_war.html

http://wp.me/p1MEEt-qc

Daniel Fortune

I know not course others may take, but as for me, give me Liberty, or give me Death! ~Patrick Henry
www.4libertysake.com

The Federal government wants to borrow money.

The Federal government wants to borrow money.

Creditors say OK, if you disarm the people.

Will Congress throw us under the bus, again?

I take it the OP is betting against the Federal government's voracious appetite for funding.

There is no record of Congress doing anything, ever, for the General Welfare.

Liberty is the only General Welfare.

Since, 1835 at least, Congress has done nothing but put us deeper in debt per capita.

Free includes debt-free!

Tell That To A New Yorker OP - You've Been Poned!

NY State Senator Says "Gun Bill Passed In Middle of Night Turns Law-Abiding Citizens Into Criminals"

http://www.dailypaul.com/270353/video-ny-state-senator-says-...

- AMAZING PHOTO delineating where UNRESTRAINED CAPITALISM has taken us: http://www.rense.com/general96/whatare.html
- "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."-- Mohandas Gandhi

They're going broke

It's both

How to wake up an American......

Let them know if they get our gunz the next thing they'll come for is football AND THEN the BEER!

I don't know if any of you remember, but they were talking, a while back, about "how big" a big screen TV one should be allowed to have.....

Because: Some animals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-

What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks

They want the guns

I hear what you're saying, but they are a following a playbook. The devaluation and gun grabbing are part of the agenda.

And don't say the constitution precludes them because they could not care less what that piece of paper has to say. They already piss all over it everyday.

Hope your right...

that they are not coming for the guns.

However, I do feel this is a critical debate to have right now. It will fuel dialogue around what limitations the federal govt has in taking away individual rights.

This is an issue that will cross the blue/red lines which is what we need.

I do not care what the king, err president, his court (congress) , or the 7 robed magicians say...they cannot infringe on any right granted me at my creation by the creator himself.

peAce

Liberty = Responsibility

just a quick question

Are you sweating yet Froggy?

The pot is boilin'!

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they're after your Social Security

and 401K's while keeping you busy with the gun control debacle

RP R3VOLution

It's not "your" Social Security, and only marginally

"your" 401k.

Do a search here on the DP or your favorite engine on Helvering v. Davis for the Social Security explanation.

401k is the section of law that "allows" you to save that money free from the so-called "income tax" that most Americans really aren't supposed to be paying in the first place.

Congress granted you the PRIVILEGE to save that money "pre-tax."

What Congress giveth, Congress can taketh away.

They could simply revoke section 401k and claim you not only owe them back taxes, but penalties and interest as well.

It is not wise to invest in something because Congress gave you permission to do so. They might want the profitable result given to them one day.

any one having problems voting up blogs?

I am.

Neuter Java if you can.

Scan your drives as data drives, from another booted OS.

Valid virus scans cannot be made of the operating system if the operating system is booted.

Free includes debt-free!

Right

because they didn't come for people's liquor either during prohibition?!

Get real man.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

Yes....

...our constitutionally guaranteed right to liquor was defeated in exactly the same fashion. That example is right on..........I just can't remember which ammendment spoke about the right to bear liquor.

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).