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Tax Tip: Start Charging The IRS and any Gov't Agency an Hourly Rate for Filing Their Paperwork and Returns:

You people who are still stuck in the free man on the land; I'm not a US citizen; I'm not a 'person, corporation, dog house, or pretzel' mentality, maybe you should back away from all the BS you've learned and take a much more logical and sensible approach when it comes to dealing with the people who are stealing your money.

Are you tired of busting your ass to file those 1040 tax returns every year, and doing it for FREE? ........ Remember people, your time is not free; scurrying around to file paperwork for the gov't; keeping track of records and receipts; collecting sales tax from YOUR customers to give to the gov't who has no skin in the game when it comes to YOUR business, etc. takes time away from your ability to make a living for yourself and your family.

The Income Tax filings are a year to year thing; they are NOT indefinite and have to be updated yearly. They need your signature on that 1040 or other tax papers to legitimize their collection efforts against you.

They want you to take time away from your job; take time away from your family; hustle around to gather paperwork for THEM; make trips to the post office to file THEIR paperwork? Collect sales taxes for THEM? Have you considered charging them for your time? What is your time worth? What is your sanity worth? What is your fuel, paperwork and stamps worth?

These people have 'presumed' you into an employment position within THEIR corporation, but are conveniently forgetting to pay you for your time. Pretty neat little trick, eh?

Don't you wish you could sucker your idiot neighbors into running all your errands and paying you a union fee to be a member of your corporation, and conveniently forget to pay them for their time?

Better wake up folks, and this goes for those of you who are self employed as well. Personally I charge $1,500.00 per/hour to file gov't forms such as 1040's, with a 6 hour minimum per piece of paper (got be careful and take your time with this stuff :) I also demand payment up front since their corporation is bankrupt and they cannot be trusted to pay their bills.

If you're running around busting your ass to file THEIR gov't forms; jumping through hoops to comply with THEIR demands, and you aren't charging them for your time, whenever you get done working for them for FREE, swing by my house, I've got a shit load of stuff you can do around here too, since you apparently haven't enough self worth to charge for your time.

Your local/state/federal so called gov't are nothing more than bankrupt corporations; they are NOT your Masters; they are not who you think they are, and their only perceived power comes from presumptions. One of those presumptions is that you are one of their employees, and if you aren't smart enough to rebut that presumption, especially after all you've learned up to this point, then you deserve every single ass reaming you get.

Trust me, when you put these conditions on these scumbags, they all of a sudden don't care to do business with you anymore. They like to prey on the sheep who fall in line and jump through hoops; they don't want ANYTHING to do with people who know the con and are working to expose it.

Deprogram yourself and start charging them for you time; you are entitled to be paid for you time, just as those in gov't are. If you don't rebut their presumptions though, they will run wild with them and try to enforce their own internal statutes on you.

You people want to put gov't back in it's box? Then start charging them for your time. Once they've got to start writing out checks to EVERYONE they've presumed into an employment position within their bankrupt corporation, they won't want to play anymore; it's really as simple as this, really, it is.

Listen to this show; it starts off slow for a few minutes before Dean Clifford comes on, but it gets really good - really fast.


Then go to this page and listen to Dean's other radio appearances to get yourself up to speed and help wrap your mind around the simplicity of this mess:


Editors Note:

Local/State/Federal so called Government is nothing more than bankrupt corporations masquerading as legitimate government bodies. They have simply presumed every single American on this land mass into an employment position within their bankrupt corporation, and are coercing you into abiding by their own internal statutory rules-regulations, and tax codes.

If you aren't receiving a government check on the 1st and 15th of the month like all other gov't employees, and they have no employment contract on file that you've signed; no payroll records that would prove you are in some way obligated to abide by their own internal rules/codes/statutes, tell them to kiss your A$$ and start charging them for you time.

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Please don't support google.

If you support the 2nd amendment. I traced one of those gun grabbing sites gathering support to fight the CCW statute in Wisconsin back to Google Inc.


good point and well taken

sounds just like something they would do.

I'm not failing - I'm Winning; what are you doing?

If you can honestly defend the Assclownery comments below, that are an apparent attempt to instill fear and uncertainty into anyone seeking remedy, you have a serious problem.

They are Assclowns and deserve to be publicly humiliated for all to see. They care not about learning or having an honest debate, they have one purpose, and that is to instill fear.

Why would I ever want to waste my money and time on a Bar License?

They can't even represent private citizens; only gov't employees and elected officials; it's in their bar charter.

I don't sell information; not in it for the money; it's much more prosperous and fulfilling to help others for free.

Since you've interjected yourself into the conversation, how about you help add something intelligent for the viewing audience?

Answer the question if you will:

"What's the One Document local/state/federal gov't has in their possession that would contractually compel-force-obligate anyone other than gov't employees and elected officials to abide by their own internal-statutory rules and tax codes ... AND compel us to do it for free"?

Waiting in suspense.

The document is called an arrest warrant

The list of those served with them is too immense to list here.
See - it doesn't really matter what you or I think - it matters what public opinion and the judge think. Sucks - but that's the way it is.

Again - I am not arguing your point - I am arguing the treatment of other posters and your tone. You may very well be 1000% correct and you may never pay another nickel in taxes because of it.

I however go to a risk reward ratio in all my decision making - and sorry - but not paying taxes fails my personal test.

I am all for unplugging from the matrix - just not in the manner which you prescribe - for that I will wear my badge of assclown with pride - be it wisdom or folly.

Wrong, and Arrest Warrant is not the Document that

that local/state/federal gov't has in their possession that would contractuallyobligate anyone to abide by internal-statutory rules and tax codes.

Yes, it does really matter what you or I think, because we are the jurisdiction of the court. The IRS is a collection agency, not a court of public opinion.

It doesn't matter what the public thinks; the public is not my legal person; and the public is not the Grantor/Beneficiary and Director of the legal person Estate; and the public holds no equity in the legal person Estate you or I are Beneficiaries of.

A Judge that attempts to Administrate an Estate in which he has no legal authority to Administrate can pay a very heavy price for meddling in the Estate without the Beneficiaries written-authorized consent.

Assuming an Administrative Role as Executor of another persons Estate is called an Executor de son tort ........ Not good.

No one is telling you to do anything; no one is twisting you arm to be free, and no one is twisting your arm to remain in voluntary servitude; your freedom is between your ears.

If you are all for "unplugging from the matrix" watch the seminars I've provided and you will learn how to unplug yourself from the matrix.

Or don't, and stay in your comfort zone.

I'm here brother.

Yes there is no reason if the IRS is attempting to contract with you that you should not be able to negotiate the contract before agreeing to it.

Simple contract law. (Sorry obviously up to my neck in trolls on my threads).

Leave an anonymous tip to the DC Metro Police...

That a mafia like organization is extorting people out of their money, give them the address but not the name of the organization.

Check out the Laissez-Faire Journal at LFJournal.com

"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

Notice to Newcomers of this thread:

Before you make the embarrassing mistake of becoming Assclown #4, #5, #6 and so on of this thread and interject your ridiculous argument and snide remarks, you might want to take a few minutes and read the comments and arguments of others who've attempted the same and have been dealt a devastating blow below.

Really, do yourself a favor and read all the comments below, or suffer the same fate as Assclowns #1, #2, and #3.

It's better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Take the time to study the information I've provided above AND read the comments of those who failed to study the information before they interjected below, so you don't become victim of the same embarrassing public humiliation.

lol@assclowns man

ahhhh thanks :)

2 good books with this info



this info is new to me and confusing bc of all the legal jargon, history, and it requires a new way of thinking and conducting oneself

and yet, it doesnt require a genius to understand. Many people have been studying this for a few decades now (thats the hidden benefit of passing so much legislation and why the tax code is so ridiculous), adding on to others research for no personal gain.

up against it the media treats it the same way they treat dr. paul, when not being ignored these sovereigns are fringe lunatics. wiki and reddit and google searches are skewed to such an extreme that it would be a waste of time to put anymore thought to it.

freemen arrest judge England
sovereign in court Canada
challenging jurisdiction in the us of A

Great idea

Also bill them $800/hr for every day you spend in federal prison. That'll teach 'em!

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since calculating the tax is voluntary, one cannot charge for it

This is known as voluntary compliance.

Strictly speaking, taxation as a whole is mandatory, and all have volunteered to comply with the part that takes time.

You can not like this, but it will change nothing.

"You underestimate the character of man." | "So be off now, and set about it." | Up for a game?

LOL .... You didn't just cite me instructions from the IRS

website, did you? ........ LMAO!

Really? ...


Jon, don't tell me you actually take these clowns word for anything, do you?

There whole website; tax code, premise, is to deceive you into paying your taxes even if you're not personally liable ........ Get with the program Jon .... LOL

On to your second point:

Who volunteered? Do you have a Mouse in your pocket? Maybe you did, but a lot of us haven't.

Only idiots volunteer to do anything for the IRS.

Now look, I'm not telling anyone NOT to file their taxes; not to pay taxes they rightfully owe, or to try and cheat the system and put themselves at risk. What I am saying, is this:

If you don't meet the criteria as listed in US Code as one who is liable for the damn extortion fee, why would you volunteer to pay it, and why would you volunteer your time to figure it out and file it for FREE?

The whole idea of the fee schedule is to make it NOT worth their energy and resources to hound you for money you don't owe. If you're a gov't employee ............. PAY THE DAMN TAX ..... YOU ARE LIABLE, it says so in the US Code.

If you're not a gov't employee or elected official and are dumb enough to voluntarily comply with something that has absolutely nothing to do with you, well, I guess there's an idiot born every minute.

Next argument please.

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so, the IRS is lying but the USC is not?


"You underestimate the character of man." | "So be off now, and set about it." | Up for a game?

Nope, the US Code does not lie, and here it is:

http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2906763 ..... Show that to your Banker :)

How can they argue their own code? ..... LOL

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is Title 26 of the USC the Internal Revenue Code?


"You underestimate the character of man." | "So be off now, and set about it." | Up for a game?


26 USC 7806 - might take you a couple times but you will see it says the entire title IS NOT LAW! Any time the IRS wants to deal with you tell them to look up their OWN CODE!

Then ask them where they are defining money... Black's law an okay definition? How about income?

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"You underestimate the character of man." | "So be off now, and set about it." | Up for a game?

*waits* for what Jon?

Can you not read the comment above yours?

Let me know how this works

Let me know how this works out for you.....

Last I checked I can't even count the time it takes me to produce my product (leave alone accounting time). According to the government my labor has zero value!

Good luck with that....

It's rather simple, and works extremely well.

Some gov't taxing agency sends you a notice in the mail claiming you need to file some paperwork for their benefit.

You ask yourself the question:

"What's the One Document they have in their possession that compels me to do their paperwork, which is obviously performing some function of gov't, such as tax collecting or administrative duties; compels me to file/pay the supposed tax; and compels me to do it without pay?"

You scratch your head for a moment trying come up with SOME answer that would compel you to perform administrative duties for the local/state/federal gov't at your own expense, and to do it without pay.

You can't think of anything; can't find a contract anywhere that you signed that would compel you to perform those duties without pay, and you send them back a conditional acceptance letter:

If you wish me to perform some function of gov't such as file tax forms, that is fine. But, I do not work for free, and my fee for performing such functions is $1,200.00/hour with a 6 hour minimum. If you agree to these terms, please reply within 30 days with payment. Since you are a bankrupt corporation, it is apparent you people cannot be trusted to pay your bills, therefore, I will need payment up front for my services ................ Registered Mail and on it's way it goes!

At this point, they have the choice of whether or not they wish to contract with you and pay your terms of service for your administrative services.

Your time is not free, but up till recently, we have all been under this assumption that we are to bow to authority and jump through gov't hoops and do their administrative work; collect their sales taxes; file their paperwork; run their errands that benefit THEM, and we were to do it all free of charge.

We are not dealing with a legitimate gov't body; all local/state/federal agencies are bankrupt corporations; yes, we are still under the 1933 bankruptcy, and if a corporation wishes to acquire our services, we as individuals have every right to receive compensation for our time.

Very enforceable and it is the Law, but most people can't wrap their heads around the simplicity of this concept; twelve years in public schools and parents teaching us we must pay our taxes has led to a society of slaves who never question authority.

That is funny... not once has

That is funny... not once has any government agency sent me a notice claiming I need to file paper work... Yet I am required to file hundreds of forms a year. You have never operated a business have you? The only notice you will receive is when your bank calls you and tells you the IRS just froze your accounts. The business owner spends countless hours figuring out what they are liable for ie: unemployment, corporate fillings, Workers comp, Taxes (state and federal)ect.... Miss any of them and yes you will get that notice. At that point the least of your concern will be the cost of the time to prepare the paper work. Generally having all your assets frozen are of much more concern.

I'm all for not paying taxes on income but, your advice is something that won't work in the real world. In fact don't file and you are taking a very real chance of ending up in jail. If you don't have the money to pay the taxes that is one thing (you don't go to jail for over due taxes) but, you do go to jail for failing to file and avoiding taxes... not my system just one I am stuck with...

I have also heard the argument that no law exists that says we must pay income tax.... I have seen the tube videos of IRS folks not being able to point to a specific law and all the rest... None the less I have had my accounts froze in the past!

I've operated and own more businesses than you can imagine :)

This is why you need to develop a relationship with your Banking Officer and inform him/her that you are not a gov't employee; you are not an elected official and show them this, so they understand who the IRS actually has authority to levy against:

If we go to USC Title 26 ss 6331 and read Section A, we get this:

Excerpt: " Levy may be made upon the accrued salary or wages of any officer, employee, or elected official, of the United States, the District of Columbia, or any agency or instrumentality of the United States or the District of Columbia, by serving a notice of levy on the employer (as defined in section 3401(d)) of such officer, employee, or elected official."

Source: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/6331

When the send the bank a notice of levy, they always somehow seem to conveniently leave out Section A, but are sure quick to point out Section B.

Now ask yourself;

Are YOU an officer, employee, or elected official, of the United States, the District of Columbia, or any agency or instrumentality of the United States or the District of Columbia?

If you're not, and they are charging you a tax on your income, don't we have labor dispute here? Um, I haven't received my government check yet, have you? I mean it says right there in their very own code, that they may Levy wages of officers, employees, etc. of the United States, the District of Columbia, etc. which is fine IF you're an officer, employee, etc. of that Corp/Territory.

Show this to your banker, and be sure to read all the comments; this thread gets very good:


And if you really want to put a nail in their coffin, show them this:


Although what I just shared has all the teeth you need to persuade your banker NOT to comply with IRS demands of levying your funds, because he will be held personally responsible for the theft, especially now that he/she KNOWS what you've presented to them, this isn't the half of it.

Click on my name and learn about the legal person Estate the IRS is actually coming after when they demand payment; hint, it's not the living-breathing you, it's the dead-fictitious-corporate YOU on the Certificate of Live Birth. They are attempting to administrate and pillage the legal person Estate in which you are the Beneficiary and Sole Shareholder.

They own legal title, but you my friend own equitable title ....... And Equity is King.

Game Over if you know what you're doing.

BOOM! Awww heck

a whole bunch of IRS tools are about to receive pink slips... if you do not REBUT the presumption... as a "US citizen" you ARE and EMPLOYEE of the United States and by the way.. you just WAIVED YOUR RIGHTS!


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Well, I must admit...

After reading more of your comments below, I began to get intrigued. And once my curiosity is peaked, it is hard to stop without finding answers.

So I dug down, did some research - with the help of google. And found a link that answered all of my questions about your comments.


This link clearly explained to me two things. First, what it meant, and second, why you believe you have exclusive ownership of the term.

The Philosophy Of Liberty -

Thanks for providing the definition of Assclown for all

new comers to see. It's hard identifying those two with any other term, so thanks for the link.

Since you've interjected yourself into the conversation, we'll name you Assclown #3.

So here's the question of the Day:

"What is the One Document that either Local/State/Federal Gov't has in their possession that would prove beyond the shadow of a doubt, that I am contractually liable to abide by their internal statutes and am liable to file/pay an Income Tax ..... and ..... requires that I do it for free?"

This is an Assclown Party if I've ever seen one. Anti up Assclowns, answer the question; the viewing audience is waiting in suspense.

Common fellas; thousands of people are viewing this thread and waiting for your expert testimony as to what document you feel the gov't has in their possession that obligates anyone other than gov't employees and elected officials to abide by those internal statutes and tax codes.

I guess you Assclowns can't read, you sure are working double time to avoid the question.

Still waiting !

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Joined the conversation?

Maybe you have forgotten already but I was the first one to put your ridiculous arguments to rest.

I do not need to keep repeating myself simply because you are slow.

The Philosophy Of Liberty -

Nope, I haven't forgotten your FAILED attempt below.

See my response to your idiocy Assclown #3:


Now, being the good sport I am, I won't hold you to commenting on that, because we both know I shamed you to into slithering back under your rock ... but, since you're back again, answer the question:

"What's the One Document Local/State/Federal Gov't have in their possession that would Contractually obligate-compel-require anyone other than gov't employees and elected officials to follow and abide by their own internal-statutory rules and tax codes .... and .... compel us to do it without pay?"

Still waiting Assclown #3 ......... The suspense is keeping the viewing audience on the edge of their chairs.

Should we take a pop-corn break and give you a few minutes to think something up?