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I was wrong, and I'm sorry.

I got very overzealous in my reaction to the Piers/Jones segment. It was obviously not a good debate (if it were, Piers won) but I am starting to come around. I can't believe it would actually work, but amazingly the reception is far more positive than I ever could have imagined.

I still completely disagree with this tactic, I feel it is sinking to the level of Piers and O'Reilly. In fact I've been describing this show as those two having a lovechild. But it may not have been as damaging as I suspected, and may in fact have killed some apathy.

I'm sorry I let my emotions get the better of me that night. We should sit back, and let it play out before we throw stones. I have always been one to say this, but I let myself slip.

(Original post: http://www.dailypaul.com/269009/alex-jones-traitor-or-imbecile)



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this is how I try to describe

this is how I try to describe it.... all these "leaders" of sections of the liberty movement or blends.. not necessarily leaders. Are playing like a free market... some like Alex Jones, Rand Paul, Ron Paul, Tom Woods, Judge Napilatano, Rothbard, Peter Schiff, Lew Rockwell, even Glen Beck and some of the neo cons leaning our way.... sorta. Everyone has what they like and everyone is delivering parts of the message in their own way.

P. Morgan..

Showed up for a debate....A. Jones showed up fighting a war....I get it...

Bad food, worse weather, please rEVOLution the states so I can bring my family back home!
Rosa Koire for for President!

we are all fallible

and everybody sees these things differently. personally i liked howard stern's take.
http://www.dailypaul.com/269461/howard-stern-on-alex-jones-v...

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Bah. Meh. That's okay to be wrong once in a while, I HOPE...

Bah. Meh. That's okay to be wrong once in a while, I HOPE...

I figured I turn out to be wrong easily MORE THAN HALF OF THE TIME on the Daily Paul...

... if only because of my comments in the precious metals' thread, man !

;-)

P.S.
And despite the wink, I'm serious.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

TelFIRE, sometimes...

...righteous indignation is just what the Dr. ordered.

To wit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi1nxu-Sy-w

Cheers!

“The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives in Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world, precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and economic turmoil to our people.” - Ron Paul

Bet there are no threads like

Bet there are no threads like this at the daily Obama

You're right,

I'm from the Daily Obama, and we all agree that we need more stuff from government, so we're all in lockstep, thank you very much.

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LMAO ! :))

LMAO ! :)) I catch you again!

How the hell do you do to make these wicked hilarious comments?!

Thank you for the hurting laugh!

"more stuff from govt... thank you very much." I almost choke on it...

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

I like seeing unpopular opinions

Its makes me happy to see we are not all clones.

When people get offended by what you say I am reminded by a good quote I read by Winston Churchill - “You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.”

Wouldn't like be boring if everyone agreed on every topic?

Lord Acton, Lord Chief Justice of England, 1875 - "The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the People v. The Banks."

You have nothing to apologize for

Your thread was needed. It was exactly what I was thinking at the time and to answer your question, I think AJ is both a traitor and an imbecile. My posts were getting down voted into oblivion by the many brainwashed AJ followers we have here now. Your thread gave voice to reason at a time when it was being denied. Thank you for that.

Case and point:

I heard of Infowars and AJ from a friend who liked AJ's radio personality. I started reading about Silver and Gold investments from AJ and Infowars. I heard my first Dr. Paul interview on the Infowars radio show.

See how networking works? You can call Infowars/AJ a traitor all day long, but if wasn't for AJ/Infowars, I would have NEVER heard about the Daily Paul and I would have NEVER became a delegate in my precinct.

I think you need to re-evaluate why you don't like InfoWars or, moving forward, you can show me the "evidence you have against AJ/InfoWars."

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

It doesn't make any sense to

It doesn't make any sense to call AJ followers brainwashed. I have been following AJ a long time, I just reacted poorly to his performance. But now I see it has served a greater purpose. I don't see what's wrong with admitting I was wrong about something, it has nothing to do with conforming, I was simply not correct.

Accepted

It takes a big man to admit he was wrong.

This is what America reacts to these days. Piers' idea of a "civil" debate is a bunch or misinformation and obfuscation of the truth. It's not worth it. Alex is who he is. Someone needed to show the establishment that there are still men who have a pair in this country. I loved it!

btw... I know you're a man because if you were a woman, you would not have admitted you were wrong :)

Except he keeps doing it.

So, he's not being truthful. IT's a long pattern with him and it continues beyond this apology even on this and other threads.

It's not the first time you let your emotions get the better ...

...of you on DP.

SO GET A GRIP OF YOURSELF BOY AND KNOCK IT OFF

How does reactionary emotionalism help our movement? It's a bolshevik thing, totally irrational.

You do realize how completely

You do realize how completely hypocritical you are being, right?

I recognize a mistake I made (certainly not the last) and apologize, and you can do nothing but rub it in? I don't need or want your forgiveness, but this is a dick move.

Moreover, just as it was hypocritical of me to be so unapproachable in my critique of Alex, it it hypocritical of you to say it's ok for Alex to do it but not me.

IS IT THE CAPITAL LETTERS

EVERYONE'S COMPLAINING ABOUT?

:)

LOL, you'd like to believe that.

The difference is that AJ is not stupid.

You ASSUMED he didn't plan his performance, whereas you are an emotional bag with multiple online examples of your raving underscoring this fact.

Did you plan this performance?

Or are you just sinking your teeth into a fellow poster for your own inexplicable reasons?

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

No. Emotional-bag-ists hurt our movement.

If someone is sorry, then they will stop. Clearly he is not stopping the behavior. Therefore, he is not sorry. Therefore, he lied.

Emotionalism like his hurts, not helps us

Not really as many examples

Not really as many examples as others around here (especially yourself, you are literally the most divisive poster I can think of). You are basically saying "I know everything, and anyone is allowed to rage as loudly as they want about anything that I know, but if I think they are stupid, then it is not ok." To me that is a pretty clear-cut case of sheer hypocrisy.

Anyway it is what it is, and I am who I am, think what you want. I just don't see how coming into my apology thread to stomp on me helps anyone or anything. What's the lesson I'm supposed to get from that? Don't apologize when you fuck up? Because I'm pretty sure everyone fucks up.

Well are you really sorry, or are you lying?

If you are sorry, that means you, in fact, will stop your online emotional ranting and raving.

If you do not stop, then you are not sorry and you lied.

Forgiveness comes when you CHANGE THE PATTERN.

SO CHANGE YOUR PATTERN.

THEN you are sorry. THEN forgiveness is available, but not before.

Clearly you are no Alex Jones. Clearly you do not comprehend that. But that's another issue.

We are SO blessed

to have you here telling us all how to live.
Clearly, there are no "sorry" and "forgiveness" police on the dailypaul. Clearly you do not comprehend that.
And not comprehending "forgiveness" is a very serious issue.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

Right from the bible.

Forgiveness comes with repentance. Repentance means YOUVE CHANGED YOUR BEHAVIORAL PATTERN.

Continuing the behavior and asking for forgiveness each time does not qualify for forgiveness. It's what Bill Clinton does.

Forgiveness comes when you've CHANGED.

Right out of the bible.

Thanks.

Clearly I was not comparing

Clearly I was not comparing myself to Alex Jones. Clearly you are a blocked asshole. I never liked reading your posts anyway, now I have a good reason to get rid of them.

Clearly you were and did.

Scroll up and read.

"Alex can do it but I can't?"

Whatever. Good riddance. Just another example of your emotionalism.

Alex didn't apologize for going over the top

and neither should you. I'm still waiting to see how this plays out. He did break the rule we taught everyone during the RP campaign. When discussing an issue with someone, stick to the issue important to them and that's it. When you win them over, walk away. Back in 2008 I watched newbies talk to voters and if their most important issue was...say...abortion, I'd see a volunteer win them over to Dr. Paul on the issue, then totally lose the person by not stopping there and going into new world order, 9/11, illuminatti etc.etc. till the persons eyes glazed over and they walked away shaking their head. This situation was only a little different. Gun control was the issue and while I am on the fence about the bombastic way Alex went at it, I cringed when he just starts throwing terms around randomly that connotate conspiracy theory in the minds of mainstream viewers. Had he come across passionate and even in your face while staying on topic and get his credibility on said topic established, then folks would be more receptive to more controversial stuff. Sorry, but when he started up the new world order stuff etc. it made him look like a nutjob to those who never saw or heard of him before, and you can tell by that smile on Morgans face he knew it too.

But if I disagree with how he went over the top...

Then it makes sense to me that actually I should apologize, because it's hypocritical if I think it's ok for me to rage out my opinion but for him it's not ok.

ok

hmmmm......ok then. That being said, many times I feel it's ok for me to do things I abhor others for doing. lol
Seriously, you were not alone in your anger. I'm sure everyone understands and accepts your apology. :)

I feel ya...

and he did say some crazy stuff, but mentioning the new world order shouldn't be so taboo anymore. Bush Senior said it during his presidency, and I've heard Ron Paul mention it. I guess people might still think of it as conspiracy since they're so dumb.