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Piers Owned Again by Ben Shapiro: Thursday, 1-10-13

In another loss chalked up for Piers Morgan, Ben Shapiro of Breitbart hands him a Constitution and crushes him in a debate. Way to go Ben! Links thanks to No sheeple/sharpsteve

Part I:

http://youtu.be/Fkyy_QqTGFE

Part II below

Part 2:

http://youtu.be/mahUrVaEZw4




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The night is far spent, the day is at hand.
And those who have not heard shall understand.

We were watching two

We were watching two different interviews. I'm not saying Piers won, but Ben certainly did not wipe the floor with him.

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

bro

Don't hate just because he didn't shout at Piers the whole time like AJ did. He calmly, and intelligently answered everything that came out of Piers' mouth. He even made Piers' last statement sound like he was agreeing with his arguments. I'm just saying, Ben destroyed him.

"No physical quantity explains it's own existence, and no amount of time can consume an infinite series of events to bring you to the present, which means all of these somewhere have to be explained by one self-existent cause which is not physical."

We'll just disagree... even

We'll just disagree... even Ben conceded several times to Piers and used the term assault weapon.

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

I can agree to that

I don't think he was perfect.. Obviously he has some screwed up opinions on registration and such... however I thought he massacred Piers as far as debate technique and style went.

"No physical quantity explains it's own existence, and no amount of time can consume an infinite series of events to bring you to the present, which means all of these somewhere have to be explained by one self-existent cause which is not physical."

...except for the fact that

...except for the fact that Ben also referred to the weapons used in the shootings as "assault" weapons....FATAL error IMO.

“How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!” – Samuel Adams

not quite

"Assault weapon" is the normal culturally ascribed term to that type of firearm. He could have addressed the fallacy of referring to such weapons in that fashion, but that is a debate for another time, and doing so could have potentially made him look ignorant in the eyes of the average Joe.

"No physical quantity explains it's own existence, and no amount of time can consume an infinite series of events to bring you to the present, which means all of these somewhere have to be explained by one self-existent cause which is not physical."

by referring to it as an

by referring to it as an "assault" weapon the MSM is intentionally trying to demonize it and make it sound "scary" and "evil". This is a tactic straight out of Saul Alinsky's rules for radicals. They need to be called out on it. I don't care if it's a "normal culturally ascribed term"; this alone show how ignorant they are when it comes to the issue. The only reason it's a "normal culturally ascribed term" is because we let them get away with it. By not correcting them, we let them control the language. The average joe hears "assault" weapon and thinks it sound "scary", like a gun you would see in The Terminator. If he would have corrected him the average Joe would have thought Piers didn't even know what the hell he was talking about. Ben played right into their trap and referred to it as an "assault" weapon, knowing damn well it was not an "assault" weapon. I'll take Alex Jones any day over that.

“How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!” – Samuel Adams

You can also use

You can also use "isolationist" to describe Ron Paul because that is the "normal culturally ascribed term" used by many.

Or he could just use SEMI-Automatic weapon. A gun is semi-automatic.

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Yep, and he also wants some

Yep, and he also wants some sort of ban, like that will prevent idiots from killing people.

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

I've seen Nugent, Ventura,

I've seen Nugent, Ventura, Pratt, and now Jones tear Piers Morgan apart on guns. I now don't care anymore what Morgan has to say. We've more than enough debated the points. Morgan doesn't care. His show is only getting viewers because of gun supporters. Not looking his way anymore.

Ben Shapiro Is A Conservative Tyrant

He's more interested in "calibrating" tyranny, rather than defending individual liberty. Therefore I cannot support him. Although he did get in a good dose of truth - We need access to assault rifles, because our government HAS THEM. Which is ultimately why it's so bizarre to hear him so easily suggest you can somehow LET that same government determine who's mentally ill and who's not mentally ill and then not allow gun ownership based on that impossible-to-prove standard.

Ugh.

Gotta agree with you there.

Gotta agree with you there. He made too many allowances for the bureaucrats. Nonetheless he made great arguments and he forced Piers to to look like the uppity pompour Brit Constitution hater that he is. Even lefties revere the Constitution, or atleast their favorite parts of it, so I'm sure none found Piers' 'little book' comment very endearing.

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Seems

like it.
I think at the very least they're going to somehow gain further access into medical records (ohmammacare)to try and disqualify more people. I've never seen this Shapiro guy.
It's like NOW they bring in the quote "sane" guy and have a "civil" debate, but the opposing side is offering a solution which is what they wanted in the first place. Less privacy and liberty for the illusion of security.

Problem..
Reaction...
Solution..

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Still, it's still nice to see Piers taken apart again.

Shapiro is not making Constitutional arguments, but this guy is very sharp, much sharper than Morgan ever was.

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piers is a dolt, and should not be allowed on our airwaves.
and piers WAS owned.

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Moxnews has vid up now

Full interview
"Piers, You Demonize People Who Don't Agree With You By Standing On The Graves Of Children!" http://youtu.be/HQzbRJLLACc

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Can't even finish listening

Can't even finish listening to that whinny limey any more. Go Home Morgan......

Tyrannical British

P. Morgan appears oblivious to his own nation's tyrannical rule over the American colonies.
Glad to know that some Americans haven't forgotten the reason for the Second Amendment.

Let me get this straight...

Ben claims to a 2nd amendment advocate because the citizens need to be armed to fight and prevent tyranny in America in the next 50-100 years. He claims that his European ancestors are now ashes because they gave up this right. How can he in the same debate, support background checks and databases (as long as they are not made public)? Doesn't he realize that a tyrannical government would use this database and know exactly who to take out first?

This is just another example of how there are many who claim to support the 2nd amendment, but really they are just trying to nudge us toward compromise (and giving up our rights).

I couldn't even listen to the whole thing. What a hypocrite!

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety
-Benjamin Franklin

Yep...

Just another 'more palatable' gun-controller to the 'right' of the globalist-collectivist spectrum.

Gotta call them out ad point them out each and every time they are held up as some sort of example to emulate or cheer about.

"shall not be infringed".

I sure don't want Shapiro arguing for my rights . . .

. . . Shapira doesn't get it. Either that, or he's controlled opposition. In either case, he's dangerous to real Americans and our natural rights.

Hacker

True. He had some bad stuff

True. He had some bad stuff in there. But overall, he scored the points we needed. And morgan f'ed up when he dissed the Constitution like junk mail. THAT, is something to hammer this guy with.

We all know where people like morgan stand on this issue

They want us disarmed. I think its very dangerous to have someone who claims to be an advocate for 2nd amendment rights, call for such infringements. They already have won over the liberals a very long time ago. They need to convince/trick the law abiding, gun owning republicans before they move forward.

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety
-Benjamin Franklin

Razor Sharp Shapiro !

Ohh boy we have a new weapon bennie boy ! nice piece of work .

Goldmember777

Spare me...

...please.

He is simply a gun-controller that the 'right' finds more palatable. Nothing but a matter of degrees.

This certainly does not seem like much of a 'liberty movement', when such acceptance for this aspect and many others, of liberty, are viewed as I have seen consistently.

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Ben Sucks

Ben Shapiro is no friend to liberty,and is no friend to Ron Paul.

he wrote this hit piece about Dr. Paul during the GOP Primary...it annoyed me enough that I created a login and responded to his article.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/02/29/ron-paul-pande...

Thanks

I've been a Liberty Fighter since 07'. I have never heard of Ben Shapiro. My responses were positive, and I wondered who he was. He seemed reasonable. But that article you provided was a bunch of non-sense. I guess there are a lot of people out there who may respect Liberty in one aspect, but do not in others. It is our job to educate, persuade, (through calm education and reasoning) and show the people that it is in their best interest to embrace Liberty. Maybe we can turn him around......maybe we can't. But remember that we truly have a difficult journey and mission that we have embarked on. Don't get frustrated (although at times I, myself do). Get Motivated! :) We have a journey upon us. It won't be easy, but we have to keep reminding ourselves that hard work DOES pay off. Keep reminding yourself of that. Be vigilant.

Thanks again for the info :) Because keeping Liberty in it's PURE, MORAL, and PRINCIPLED form, is the key. Consistency and understanding the ideals of Liberty is key.

Keep exposing it. We need to know who truly understands our ideals of Individual Liberty.

In Liberty, Mark

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Let me get this straight...

...you listened to that abortion of an exchange and had a positive response and believed he seemed 'reasonable', yet you go on to speak about keeping liberty in its PURE, MORAL, PRINCIPLED form?

Really?

Someone needs to go back to Liberty School.

I remember that well.

I didn't remember that this is the same guy so thank you very much.