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Gun Rights Activists Here Not Credible-This is why, look what's happening.

Yep, you are not credible. Why? For good reason. You do not use comprehensive logic and critical thinking.

If you are sincere, and many here are probably not, they are hired by elite to prevent Americans from understanding effective strategy for protection of gun rights. I base this on the inability of any poster to be logical regarding a specific strategy intrinsic to all aspects of the problem with the abridging of our rights.


This post is triggered by an email from the disgusting organization, moveon.org. Keep in mind that the NRA has no credibility either, because they refuse to see the hippocratic oath used to compel medicine to deal with WHATEVER causes the unnatural extreme gun violence used to justify this BS. BTW, I believe that a mentally healthy society need no gun control whatsoever.

We have never been that way, but we could be if we try. Understand how this works, please.

From: "Garlin Gilchrist II, MoveOn.org Civic Action" <...
To: "Christopher A. Brown"
Subject: Standing up to the NRA--finally
Date: Jan 11, 2013 12:15 PM
The NRA has blocked progress on gun violence prevention for years—but right now there's an opening. Can you chip in $5 to help support our emergency campaign to keep the NRA on their heels and push for real change?

Chip in $5
Dear MoveOn member,

Are we finally ready to take on the National Rifle Association?

The NRA's power has long been an explanation—and an excuse—for why we can't pass serious gun violence prevention laws in America.

But in the wake of Sandy Hook, something has shifted. Maybe it's the polls showing a 18-point jump in support for stronger laws.1 Or the fact that most gun owners and NRA members disagree with the NRA's policy agenda.2 Or the bizarre press conference by Wayne LaPierre, the NRA's CEO, where he called for more guns in schools.3

Whatever the reason, it's suddenly clear that the NRA ISN'T all-powerful. Yes, they spend a boatload of money on lobbying and elections—but so did Big Tobacco, and laws limiting smoking are now commonplace. Public opinion matters. The NRA can't block an idea whose time has come.

The Obama Administration and state-level elected officials around the country are debating how ambitious their reforms can be. We urgently need to keep the NRA on its heels—to prevent them from regaining the upper hand in setting the agenda. So we're putting together an emergency campaign to do exactly that. Can you chip in $5?

Yes, I'll chip in $5 to keep the NRA on its heels so that real work on gun violence prevention can move forward.

Here's what we're doing.

1) Catalyzing a huge wave of local organizing to counter the NRA's network. A broad range of folks need to come together—parents, law enforcement officials, health experts, gun owners, community leaders, religious leaders, and more—on the local level to act as a political counterweight to the NRA's boots-on-the-ground network. And the good news is, there's already a ton happening: MoveOn members have started over 100 local Community Committees Against Gun Violence, on the heels of over 300 vigils just after Sandy Hook.

And there's much more energy out there—but people need support to get organized. We need to pay for organizers, and for local advertising—from online ads to billboards—so that folks know what's happening in their town and can get connected. And then we need more resources for flyers, yard signs, meetingspace rentals, and more.

2) Launching hard-hitting actions highlighting the NRA's extremism at the national level. We need to pay for ads and organizers that support in-person volunteer-led events in New York and Washington, DC to draw the national media's attention to the NRA's political extremism.

Chip in $5 to keep on its heels and demand real solutions for gun violence.

Here's just one example: a coalition of gun groups have called for a "gun appreciation day" just before President Obama's inauguration. They're asking people to go to local gun stores and gun shows "with your Constitution, American flags and your 'Hands Off My Guns' sign."

Maria Roach, a MoveOn leader and founder of a new gun violence prevention group called United for Change USA, started a petition against this "Gun Appreciation Day," and it already has over 20,000 signers. With support, she can pull off a high-profile event to deliver these signatures directly to the NRA headquarters in Washington, driving media attention and putting the NRA on the spot—does it really want to support something like this in the wake of the brutal murders of 26 people in Newtown?

There are hundreds of other member-led campaigns bubbling up that we want to similarly support—since any of them could be the thing that breaks through and captures the attention of the national media.

We have a brief window to take all the people who are moved to act, give them the help they need to organize, and knit them together into a national campaign that can't be ignored—to cement the emerging conventional wisdom that the NRA is a retrograde, out-of-touch, industry-funded interest group that can't stop needed progress.

We CAN pass strong laws at the federal, state, and local level to prevent gun violence—if the NRA stays on the defense. And MoveOn members are already organizing to make that happen.

Can you chip in? Click here:


Thanks for all you do.

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Youre presching to the wrong crowd.
1/2 here are lifetime moveon members.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

That would explain things

So where do gun rights activists berate them for posing as lawful Americans?

Can we stop doing all the things we are doing that we do not want to do while still doing what we need to do?

were mental health problems a priority issue in nazi germany?

especially for the jews?



So you're saying...

...that we need to actively pursue improving mental health? This post is pretty vague, and quite frankly, your original was worded in a very confusing manner.

I don't think anyone would dispute that we need more research into mental health, particularly in finding solutions besides lock 'em up and crazy pills.

Health & safety code mandates working with public

Health & safety code mandates working with public to develop experimental or investigational treatments if there is a chance of loss of life without the treatment. Counties and states will not follow the law and courts will not make them.

Free speech and that of the press are abridged when citizens try to gain accountability to the hippocratic oath.


The solutions are basically found, and government will not allow them, media participates covering up the injustice.

As far as the links to thread here, people pretending to be for gun rights muddy the already difficult situation which develops when people think government and medicine are following laws, but they really are not.

Can we stop doing all the things we are doing that we do not want to do while still doing what we need to do?

Oops, forgot

Oops, forgot one.


Come on, prove me wrong and moveons campaign has got to be one of many. By failing to take a logical course in protection of 2nd amendment rights we are defaulting to some excuse for the imposition of usurping rights.

Can we stop doing all the things we are doing that we do not want to do while still doing what we need to do?