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Rand Paul Truce 2.0

Inspired by This post...

Since it is a sensitive, and potentially explosively divisive topic, may I suggest that we all:

1) Respect one another's opinion
2) Not push our opinions onto others, and not make others wrong and evil for not holding the same opinions we do.

As for me, I haven't made up my mind yet. I will be watching carefully. He's playing a big game of chess, and that is something that I find interesting.




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Rand may have..

Rand may have some desirable attributes but he is an "Israel firster" and that is a deal breaker for me. I want a president who puts America first, second and third and will NEVER support Rand unless he stops kissing Israel's behind.
I voted for Ron Paul in 1988 and spent many thousands of dollars in time and money on the 2008 and 2012 Ron Paul campaigns. Few here can match my credentials in the liberty movement.

Support whomever you wish, and I will do likewise.

Mark

'he is an "Israel firster"'

Based on what evidence?

Show me the quotes/actions which demonstrate that Rand is an "Israel firster."

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

All Neocons are

Israel Firsters, Rand supported the Neocon Israel supported candidate, went to Israel, wore the yarmulke, they OWN him.
Rand is Neocon.

Agree. Maybe I'm naive but I

Agree. Maybe I'm naive but I still have hope in Rand. He has followed in his dad's footsteps (went to med school, ran for office, wrote books, etc). Only time will tell. I wonder what position he'd give his dad if he were elected POTUS?

Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. - Matthew 10:16

Only time will tell?

Did you miss his endorsement of his fathers opponent Rombama and his saying the nomination process was over and Rombama won before the convention?
His own FATHER??!
What more do you need to see who OWNS this guy?

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Ron Paul didn't have enough delegates to win and he told us that

If you can't beat em join em

That's probably why Ron rejoined the GOP after his 88 LP run. The LP can't beat the GOP, sorry.

Your username is "AllPaul" What's Rand's last name again????

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

I'm not

supporting Rand and I'm not endorsing Mrs Pauls fishsticks, either. I know all you Neocons think Rons supporters are so stupid that we will eagerly glom onto his Neocon son simply because of the biological relationship but some of us are a little smarter than that. You own Rand, fine. Keep him, you can have him.

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I am Ron's supporter. Ron Paul had 0 chance at the nomination

Remember what he said when the 6 states went to nominate him. His words were "They won't let you do that". He knew he had no chance, so he told us in an email so we wouldn't be so disappointed at the convention.

Why are you so mad at Rand? Rand simple kept his word and promise to the GOP that made him a Senator. Rand kept is oath, his promise, to support the Republican nominee. You can't get anywhere in politics breaking your word. He did so only after his father was assured he could not win the nomination, after Ron told us himself that he couldn't win. Then Rand endorsed his parties nominee like HE PROMISED HE WOULD.

What is your goal here?

Go trash the establishment and leave Rand, one of our own, alone.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

Any "system" that requires

that participants engage in what Rand Paul did is evil, immoral and unjust. He backstabbed his dad BEFORE there was a nominee, BEFORE the convention to feed the meme that Ron Paul was out of the race.

You DO notice that RON Paul would have none of it, don't you?
Now YOU are quite welcome to such a system and to delude yourself that doing evil to people will result in good and call it "strategy" but you have no right to force it on anyone else.
Maybe someday all you Neocons can live in Neocon utopiaville and the rest of us can live in liberty. But that will never happen because statists are pathetic, fearful fools who have to have someone to subjugate and loot. You long to toady to some politician hoping for eventual scraps. It is sickening.

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I call BS

Did you get Ron Paul's email the same day that Rand endorsed Romney????

The email clearly said that he could not win, FROM RON PAUL'S MOUTH, so he was ending the campaign and focusing on delegates to influence the platform, not win the nomination. Romney had the required amount of delegates to win, Ron didn't, simple as that.

Ron didn't have anything to gain by endorsing Romney so he didn't, Ron is out of politics what does it matter if the GOP doesn't like him. Rand had a speaking slot and possible VP pick to gain by endorsing Romney, plus he would have broken his promise to the GOP that made him a senator if he didn't endorse the nominee.

Do you understand that neither Ron nor Rand would have ever been in Congress if not for the GOP??? We need the GOP just as much as the GOP needs us. Whether either party realizes it or not.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

And what did Rand gain by

selling out his dad and the liberty movemnt? The "privilege" of kissing Neocon @ss and mouthing their talking points for the Neocon contingent who hijacked the GOP. And with his record on sanctions we can see he does not shrink from endorsing unconstitutional acts of war against innocents to further his "career". You can have him if you can stomach him.

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I've explained this to you more than once

Yet you keep rambling the same points that I've already explained to you over and over.

Rand didn't "sell out is dad" but rather kept his promise to the GOP that got him in the Senate. This came after RON PAUL HIMSELF told all of us he could not win.

Iran sanctions passed the Senate 98-0, that was a losing battle to begin with that Rand could not win. He could only make enemies and would have accomplished nothing voting against Iran Sanctions.

I showed you his record above and almost all of it is very Libertarian but you suggest he takes these unpopular and career risking stands for liberty to fool us....

Are you a troll, disinfo agent, dumb 15 year old???

What is your goal here?

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

And I have explained to YOU that Rombama

was NOT yet the nominee so the claim that he was keeping his promise to endorse "the NOMINEE" is nonsense. Rand helped make him the nominee and then celebrated the cheating Neocon. Sanctions are acts of war and harm the innocent. I want no part of a man who would vote for them to avoid "making enemies". That is disgusting. Ron Paul never cared about making enemies. He did the right thing.
My goal is to OUT you Neocons for the bloodthirsty warmongers you are.

Nope I was in Tampa and got

Nope I was in Tampa and got to see him speak as a result of the endorsement. But I got over it. It's small potatoes in the big scheme of things. It was not a deal breaker.

Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. - Matthew 10:16

LOL! If bailing on

his dads campaign, declaring the nomination process over, and bloviating to Rombamas tune (to embarrass his dad and to give the impression of RON Paul supporting Rombama) at the convention (I understand RON did not stay to hear it) that his father was banned from speaking at is not a "deal breaker" then you will put up with any Neocon crap. Enjoy it.

Civility is a good idea.

Civility is a good idea. Attacking people versus discussing ideas does leave us open to trolls etc. Still I only get behind politicians 100% if I am 100% sure that they will turn this country off its course of soft dictatorship. Ron Paul had it. Rand has to show me where his line in the sand is. Like another poster on this thread, hope is not enough after what happened in the 2012 campaign.

Vickie

Rand is the Lesser of the Two Evils (Establishment/Tyrannists)..

vying for 2016...Rubio and Jeb(for now, I hear..).

Is there a better choice, currently...

Yes. Refuse to vote for

ANY evil.

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And accomplish nothing

I suggest you quit spending time bashing Libertarians and start bashing Clinton, Reid, Obama, Pelosi, Feinstein, Boaeher, Priebus, Bush, Rubio, Santorum...etc.

What is your goal here?

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

I'm not trashing

any libertarians. I am pointing out the UNlibertarian record of Neocon Rand Paul.
None of those lefties you listed stabbed the liberty movement in the heart and now is trying to reform his miserable record. Those people are the same as the Neocons. Why would I waste time on them?

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Again look at all the issues

before you call someone a neocon....

What is your goal here?

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Rand_Paul.htm

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

What is

YOUR goal here?

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To educate you

Did you even click the link?

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

I do not need

your "education" on Rands attempts to rehabilitate his traitorous reputation by sponsoring legislation blah, blah.
The man stabbed his FATHER in the back.
That is all I need to know. I know what he is made of, what he will do when the chips are down. You are quite free to trust and admire him. I don't support Neocons.

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So you admit you refuse to learn

How many times to I have to inform you that RON PAUL HIMSELF informed all of us that he was ending his active campaign and he did not have enough delegates to secure the nomination.

If Rand really stabbed Ron in the back then he wouldn't have been welcome at Thanksgiving or Christmas.

They still talk......

You're just trolling me aren't you?

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

As worthy as you think you

are to "educate" people with Neocon propaganda I have to disagree with your self assessment. I have already heard and read it all. Dr Paul HAD NOT dropped out, nor had he conceded to Rombama. No one knew how many delegates he had and we KNOW he was being blackmailed by Rombama and almost certainly pressured and lied to by those running his campaign. So he downplayed his chances and went low key. It is very telling that he did NOT drop out and that he left the convention before the traitorous Neocon Rand parroted the speech the GOP approved (and most likely wrote) for him.

"What is your goal here?"

To lead the Liberty Movement down the wrong path, into a dead end. I'm of the opinion that a number of the most vocal "everyone but Ron Paul is pure evil so don't support them" people are paid trolls.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

You are certainly welcome

to your opinion. Mine is that most of the Randicons here are paid Israeli and CIA agents.

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I have the same suspicions

How else could so many people have the most ridiculous arguments against Rand Paul.

I for one do not think I am smarter than Rand or can judge him so harshly. I cannot imagine what his shoes feel like and I trust him based on his raising and most of his actions.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

Rands own record

is a "ridiculous argument"? Expecting a gutless tool to stop being a gutless tool is what is ridiculous.