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Liberty Threat Level Orange - The Evidence - FEDs Possibly Baiting/Setting Up DP Members In Email Threads

Evidence posted.

I'm going back and fourth with someone in email about his website and my witness program and how we might be able to combine our efforts. Mild conversation. Then out of the blue he says "ARE YOU A DIS-INFO AGENT?"

At first I took it defensively. Then I searched back thru the thread to see what I said he might have taken the wrong way.

Then I noticed he had changed some of my words way back in the thread.

This is what I actually said:
http://www.bart-mart.com/education/bustedShill2.jpg

Now here's the entire thread. See if you can pick out what he changed and how odd that seems?
http://www.bart-mart.com/education/bustedShill.jpg

The change is obviously pretty benign but why would someone edit the quoted text making it look like you wrote it?

Nobody likes it when words are put in their mouth. How about if someone were to edit YOUR quote in their reply so as to put words in your email? Get it?

The first edit might be just a test to see if you catch it. Then he could add other more incriminating stuff that "I said."

There is also another tactic employed. He accuses you of something. Then you reassure him you are not a "DIS-INFO agent." (Which I didn't do. I simply said "If I was would I say so?") Then he says "Okay I take you at your word." Now you've developed a certain level of trust with him... but has he developed any trust with you? This is classic reverse psychology.

Protect and serve WHO? Protect and serve WHAT? Why don't they ever put that part on their slogans? More like SET UP ANYONE WHO GETS IN OUR WAY. That's not a "govt" folks... that's a criminal enterprise no different than the "Godfather."

To the FED: Cease and desist... repent for your sins and I'll forgive the trespass. You just severely violated your oath of office. SHAME on you.

So just watch your 6 people. Keep your eyes peeled. Over and out...



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No surprise

The FBI has been infiltrating political groups since the 60s.

It's definitely not CIA, they do infiltrate within the US, but only for deep intel and influence.

Mark Felt betrayed Nixon on account of the politics being played out internally in the FBI at the time. I'm sure as a director he probably became sickened by the scope and sleaze of it all.

Put nothing past them.

Oh, and the people on the DP who are posting about violence if they try to take their guns away.......those people are not your friends. Their job is to incite.

Thank you for making that point.

Anyone on here talking about violence needs to be aware of the thought police and pre-crime division. 1984 is already here.

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Vince

Now that the emails have been released can we take the threat level down to orange. Red is a little alarming. Also, feel free to come and jam with us if you want.

http://www.dailypaul.com/270001/time-for-my-nightly-jam-session

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Here is my "fabrication".

It would be interesting to see if gmail were subpoenaed in a court of law as to the veracity of my accounting here.

i am sure it would be pretty accurate.

I don't lie. And have nothing to hide. But you GIVE ME NO CREDIT for trying to throw out an olive branch.

After that response, you f---ing psychopath...you are not a victim (I take back my excuses for you)...you are victimizer.

NITE!

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“COGNITIVE INFILTRATION”& the Government Disinformation Agents. Do they exist?

A couple of years ago, 9-11 scholar and expert, and 9-11 Truth Movement titan David Ray Griffin published a provocative book called COGNITIVE INFILTRATION. Here is summary on the back of the book:

“Former Chicago and Harvard law professor Cass Sunstein, who in 2009 was appointed to direct and important executive branch office, had in 2008 co-authored an article containing a plan for the government to prevent the spread of ant-government ‘conspiracy theories,’ in which he advocated the used of anonymous government agents to engage in ‘cognitive infiltration’ of these groups in order to break them up. In his new book, Griffin focuses on the fact that Sunstein’s primary target is the conspiracy advocated by the 9-11 Truth Movement. Examining Sunstein’s charge that this theory is both ‘harmful’ and ‘demonstrably false,’ Griffin uses both satire and overwhelming evidence to show that this twofold charge applies instead to what Sunstein calls ‘the true conspiracy theory’ about 9-11—namely, the ‘theory that al-Qaeda was responsible for 9-11.’”

My name is Chris, in case we haven’t met. I am a commercial real estate broker in Virginia, I am an ex-neocon-turned liberty activist (I am proud to say that for the first time in my 29 years of presidential voting, in November 2012, I did NOT vote for the establishment Republican candidate, but rather wrote Ron Paul in), I am a Daily Paul member, and, after viewing the compelling documentary produced by Richard Gage and Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth (which, of course, was brought to my attention on this wonderful blog community called the Daily Paul), I have recently joined the 9-11 Truth Movement. In a big way.

But as many of you know from experience, I am also fallible, and quite short-tempered, and have had to profusely apologize to certain individuals for jumping the gun or judging them on here (how un-libertarian of me!). I love blogging here but it can be so impersonal sometimes and words and keyboards are no substitute for honest face to face discourse.

You may or may not have seen the new project that I am hoping the grass roots will rally around, called the 9-11 Crimes Project www.911crimes.org (I formed the website on New Years Day).

So, in light of all this, the last thing I am, as one particular individual on here is rabidly accusing me of, even without any evidence (libel, any one?)…the LAST thing I am is a “government disinformation agent.”

To the contrary, I could be better described as an ANTI-government INFORMATION agent. But, even then, I don’t work for anyone, and my salary is exactly zero.

Many of us on here are like that. We just want to get good information out there…and let the recipient of that information, armed with evidence, decide what the truth is.

Well, it is true that I recently asked an individual if he was a government disinformation agent when, in a series of emails back and forth, his tone became antagonistic about my website and what I was trying to do.

It is NOT true, however, that I changed the text in HIS email to something else. [I could not imagine doing something like that. No way.]

What IS true, however, the statement that he accused me of “altering” in his email, WAS INDEED an sentence that I had sent to an online vendor where I had recently purchased some fitness software…asking for a refund.

Odd.

Anyhow, because this individual continues to publish libelous and false accusations about me…(Is he trying to discredit my efforts in the 9-11 Truth movement…I have no idea)…but, I am publishing here the entire email exchange, so you can decide for yourselves.

I have redacted each indication of his email address, but everything else presented is verbatim. Have also reversed the order so that the emails follow correct chronology.

Have a read…and then make a decision as to just whom of the two, is performing any kind of psy-ops, and, who is not:

To: XXXXX
Date: Thursday, January 10, 2013, 8:41 PM

vinceableworld,

sharkhearted (http://www.dailypaul.com/user/42819) has sent you a message via your contact form (http://www.dailypaul.com/user/45366/contact) at Peace . Gold . Liberty .

If you don't want to receive such e-mails, you can change your settings at http://www.dailypaul.com/user/45366.

Message:

Take heart. The Daily Paul has been swarmed....SWARMED...by disinformation agents.

Pay them no regard. More importantly, what you are proposing to do...and take action...is ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE better than them.

I have a new site that I am trying to help, in my own way take off, the natural and scientific next step of the complete coverup and deception of the 9-11 events.

It is called www.911crimes.org

Please help me on this if you are interested. Your input would be most appreciated.

Sincerely,

Christopher M
Norfolk, VA

On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Vincent ‬ wrote:

Brother.. no offense... but as soon as I saw that subtitle I wanted to be sick to my stomach. The original letter I penned... I just deleted. The fact about that title is... it's disingenuous at best... how would you like to make it true however?

I would consider shifting the focus of that website to this witness project... in some way tailoring it into the suggestions I made here:http://www.dailypaul.com/260491/how-to-use-the-forclosure-crisis-to-recall-your-sheriff-and-save-your-country-one-county-at-a-time

Presuming you wish to be added to the witness program... I'll put you on in Virginia.

~v

Notice: This email is a private communication meant only for the people I have addressed. All rights retained.

From: Christopher M
Subject: Re: The hour for justice has arrived.

To: "Vincent"
Date: Friday, January 11, 2013, 7:02 AM

What subtitle made you sick to your stomach? I am confused.

On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Vincent ‬ wrote:

"The hour of justice has arrived" - That's up to us and I don't see that happening within the hour. Not without us making it happen.

~v

Notice: This email is a private communication meant only for the people I have addressed. All rights retained.

From: Christopher M
Subject: Re: The hour for justice has arrived.
To: "Vincent"

Date: Friday, January 11, 2013, 7:22 AM

The hour of justice HAS arrived. (Question: Why does that make you sick to your stomach? Do you have medical problems?)

You have to do something...even if you fail.

The hour of justice....HAS arrived...and we need to do everything in our power...to make that happen.

There is ENOUGH evidence...to try it all in court...and put Dick Cheney away for a long, long time.

On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Vincent wrote:

There is no BARFLY in the country that will take the case.

It's up to us... there are those of us in the Law movement that can fight these cases... but we need the support of witnesses to make sure the court doesn't pull the usual BS.

~vincent

Notice: This email is a private communication meant only for the people I have addressed. All rights retained.

From: Christopher M
Subject: Re: The hour for justice has arrived.

To: "Vincent"
Date: Friday, January 11, 2013, 7:54 PM

I think there will be a TON of expert witnesses ready to take the stand, like all the architects and engineers at AE911 Truth.

There is much eyewitness testimony/evidence and videographic evidence that is already recorded in the pages of history.

And I'll bet we could get plaintiffs from all 50 states who are family members of the 911 victims...who would be willing to press charges against NIST and the 911 Commission, and to some degree FEMA....for covering up a mass murder, obstruction of justice, destruction (omission) of key evidence, and fraud.

I want to use my site as an open-source case building mechanism where a case is built for each suspect, like Dr. John Gross (who is still employed by NIST), but who openly lied on camera nervously denying any reports of molten metal...when there were LOTS of those reports.

And "private sector" head engineer for the investigation for the 9-11 scenes (curiously he was also the head engineer at the Waco massacre and the OKC bombing)...is caught red handed on camera on the BBC documentary lying and saying that "we looked for evidence of explosives and did not find anything."

We build a case against these and others...(edited and solidified by people in the legal field, such as you)...in other words, made bulletproof, and do all the work for the prosecutors so when it comes time to hand the whole case to a judge and a grand jury, they will be obligated to listen...and face the truth...or face impeachment.

Thoughts?

On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 11:30 PM, Vincent ‪ wrote:‬
people in the legal field

Correction... I'm not... nor do I ever wish to be in the "legal" field.

Law = supreme law of the land. legal = evil. pure evil.

hand the whole case to a judge and a grand jury,

Actually a grand jury has no judge. The grand jury itself is the judge. The only problem is finding a lawful grand jury that has not been made illegal without being signed off on by an Attorney general. I had some emergency financial trouble come up and can not afford this right now

~vincent

Notice: This email is a private communication meant only for the people I have addressed. All rights retained.

[INSERTED NOTE: STOP. Actually what he said was this.

“Actually a grand jury has no judge. The grand jury itself is the judge. The only problem is finding a lawful grand jury that has not been made illegal without being signed off on by an Attorney general. We've been looking into this however the outlook for a grand jury is very bleak which would be recognized by the sheep - and that's what counts.”

1. The statement “I had some emergency financial trouble come up and can not afford this right now” DOES INDEED appear on the backchannel of this email thread.

2. I am the author of this statement….but it was NOT addressed to this individual “Vince” and it was in NO WAY EVER cut and pasted to change his email backchannel.

This was addressed to a fitness software vendor, when, my taxes were figured out, and I owe a sh** ton of money in taxes this year, I can not afford such stuff and so I was emailing them for a refund.

I would never, ever do something like actually manipulate and change someone’s words. NO WAY IN HELL! I have a conscience. And have to sleep at night.

3. So if Vince did not change this (I take him at his word) and I most certainly did not change this…then WHO DID?

That is the interesting question.

4. Is there a third party that is f**king with us here? Altering our emails??

We know through the PATRIOT Act that the Fourth Amendment was destroyed.

Questions to ask.

Hello NSA. Hello FBI. “Hello CIA. Hello State Department. We know you’re here…taking notes….but guess what….there are more of us than there are of you.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fGc6auB4j8

END INSERTED NOTE. BACK TO EMAIL THREAD]

From: Christopher M
Subject: Re: The hour for justice has arrived.
To: "Vincent"
Date: Friday, January 11, 2013, 9:03 PM

You said "those of us in the law movement"

Plus you talked being part of a legal team. I was taking you at your word.

If my suggestions are not good enough...then please show me yours.

ARE YOU....a DISINFORMATION AGENT?

Prove that you are not. That is my challenge to you.

Vincent
to: Christopher M
date: Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 12:27 AM

My first reflex was to take that kinda personal. As evidenced from this thread... your last reply was factually incorrect... too much coffee or just some blind sided approach to try and take me off my game?

If I was a "dis-info" AGENT -> Would I tell YOU? They do lie you know... anyway...

I could of course ask you the same thing. Are YOU a dis-information agent... perhaps using some reverse psychology on me with the purpose of trying to get ME to gain YOUR trust instead of the other way around? Pretty deep huh?

If you are a dis-info agent... do you actually know who signs your paychecks or do you basically just go cash them without much consideration and then go home and kiss your children at night without a clue of what's going to happen next week, next month... next year?

Your move. Conversation is getting interesting. I'm bored silly and kinda gloomy tonight as I received some other bad news as well. All around looks like liberty is falling down. I go with God brother. Do you?

You know... if you ARE a dis-info agent perhaps you could take this opportunity to come clean... maybe join the good guys... bring in a world of peace and abundance... perhaps start providing me with some valuable intel. Think about it. You may have money, power, etc... (nice website btw) but at the end of the day without a soul... is it really all worth it? You may have sold your soul to the devil my brother but you can always avoid the contract seeing as you did not receive full disclosure of the terms... ever consider that?

Either way... you should know that my guardian angels protect me. That's not some crackpot theory... just way too many coincidences that have happened over the last few years to possibly discount them ALL as coincidences.

Jesus flipped the tables on the banksters. Ever hear of a counter-claimant? For the record... I accept your oath of office, bind you to it.. and remind you of your fiduciary duty to me. Please take special note of the text in the notice below.

~v

Notice: This email is a private communication meant only for the people I have addressed. All rights retained.
subject:

Vincent
to: Christopher M
from: Christopher M
to: vincent sonofgod
date: Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 1:30 AM

I am just one man. Not part of the NWO. I just want justice for all of the people who died on 9-11-01 and, quite frankly, all of the troops who have perished since that day.

I am the ANTI-NWO..

I have no government paycheck. Am just one man trying to make a difference.

Sorry I offended you with the disinfo agent question. It is hard to trust anyone these days.

Friends.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

[NEVER RESPONDED TO]

My subject line to this individual: “If you need verification I am not working for them”

Then please call me. I will be happy to speak with you via phone or Skype so you can see my eyes. 757-***-****

I am not one of them...and, I guess to turn the tables a bit, I am actually hurt that you would accuse me of such. But, I understand.

Email, just like blogs....is so damn impersonal.

Friends,

Chris

On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 2:34 AM, Vincent ‪ wrote:
I just got verification.

I'm God powered! You've been exposed. I only hope it's before you haven't hurt to many other peaceful people just trying to be left alone. How many DP members have you set up and had thrown in prison sweat shops over the last year? You know what you tried to do. I did my duty as one of the free people. I wish more of us would and we wouldn't be facing this insanity. Federal officials paid tax dollars to commit fraud. Now what are you going to do to make it up to mankind? A confession would be the first order from the man upstairs.

http://www.dailypaul.com/269839/liberty-threat-level-red-fed...

Go get a job on a farm brother. Grow some food. Help an old lady across the street. Turn over a new leaf. Think about joining the good guys... there's still time...

~v

Notice: This email is a private communication meant only for the people I have addressed. All rights retained.

SO….IN CONCLUSION….YOU DECIDE.

I think this person, though delusional, is innocent.

I can tell you and bet my life on it that I DID NOT CHANGE anyone’s emails…past or present.

So…if I did not do this…and if Vince did not….then WHO did?

We are dealing with a level of government psy-ops never before seen in our lifetimes.

They are trying to use the Hegelian dialectic on all of us. Resist them. Stand up to them.

We are in danger.

Chris
Norfolk, VA
January 15, 12:02 AM
Nite!

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

What do liars say?

I don't lie.

I sat in shark n vince chat for over two hours. Even gave you top billing. You were a no-show. I know you don't wanna have to deal with me in real time. It's much easier to lie in a post isn't it? Olive branch my arse.

You're lucky man. I should have let you chat with me a bit longer after I noticed what you were doing. In hindsight... I could have waited till you put something REALLY incriminating in there and the SHEEP would have had to pick their heads up from grazing on Piers Morgan and Alex Jones.

You and I both know what happened. A few others do too. Epic fail on my part. You win man! I'm right but you still win because the sheeple are completely oblivious. Point proven. Lead them on to the slaughter - there's obviously nothing I can do to stop it.

"Acceptance is the answer to all my problems today."

jrd3820's picture

Hey

Hi Sharkhearted, not even going to read the emails because I really am not too concerned.

Just wanted to let you know I showed my Dad your website. He is a little um..... shall we say paranoid?..... and hardly ever gets online, but he wrote it down to share with some friends at work he thinks might be interested. Hope the word of mouth helps!

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THANK YOU!

Much appreciated.

I know it is a controversial topic...but once people look at the evidence (if they are rational)...the higher centers of the brain take over and overwhelm the signal.

It is a hot-button issue, no doubt, but a necessary, adult one which we must all face.

Thank you again!

Friends,

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Since shark posted his fabrication

and didn't even try real hard... then I'll consider that consent to post the ACTUAL screenshots of the conversation. Feel free to pull em down and check in photoshop or whatever.

Those of us in the "conspiracy theory" circles know how the PTB love to put the clues right in front of our faces. Think about it...

Shark Hearted - this sound like a good guy to you?

I'd like to thank shark as well for drawing the needed attention to the pure evil that is the American BAR association. Modern day slavery... right here in America. Now we have slave trading and for-profit prisons (which had a RECORD year in 2012 btw)... all thanks to the Attorneys who sell their slaves (which is you if you hire one) down the river to the plantation masters at the friendly neighborhood PRISON near you.

http://www.dailypaul.com/269892/our-justice-system-has-been-...

IT IS OBSCENELY PROFITABLE FOR THESE GUYS TO TAKE YOUR LIBERTY AWAY.

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I am writing a new book called CRIMES OF THE STATE

And of course, there will be a BIG FAT MEGA chapter about the events of 9-11.

But tho opening chapter will be on the PRISON INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX.

it is disgusting that the "land of the free" can call itself that but have the highest incarceration rate in the world.

The WHOLE IDEA of prisons for profit is so IMMORAL I don't want to begin even touching that subject

As much as I HATE the government....one of the very few things that should be in the public realm...is the penitentiary system.

When private profiteers get ahold of it...it means that more shareholders require MORE profit...which means MORE prisoners.

Disgusting.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

jrd3820's picture

Oh wow

Hey, I have two degrees, one in English and one in Literature. I am also working on a lit masters, so absolutely let me know if you ever need/want some editing. Then I could read it as I edit, and it would be great practice for me since I would love to get into editing. Seriously, if you get started with this and want some help send me a pm.

sharkhearted's picture

DONE

~

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

sharkhearted's picture

~

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~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

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The "Accused" OFFICIAL RESPONSE

Complete with unredacted email threads.

I want to thank Vince for his publicity for my site www.911crimes.org.

And I don't consider this person my enemy.

May the truth win out.

http://www.dailypaul.com/270290/cognitive-infiltration-and-g...

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

After you get set up by this guy.

Just remember I tried to warn you.

Wouldn't the world be a much more peaceful place

if everyone just kept their word? I've been destitute.. I've panhandled on the street. I've had nothing but my word and the fact that people knew they could trust me. If there's anything folks can learn from this thread it's that that is quite possibly the most important thing you can do in this life.

When you give your word - STICK TO IT... come hell or high water. Above anything else you know what I like best about Ron Paul? He sticks to his guns no matter what anyone says. He was ridiculed 1000x more than I ever will be. If he can handle that I can most certainly handle being chastised on this silly little DP thread.

Truth be told: The only reason I came back here today was to see if Shark finally consented to the screenshots being posted up. Again he shirks the question and instead is crying to Micheal to get this post removed.

Okay well it looks like shark is never going to pony up his consent so if he ever does the folks that have the shots are free to release them. Going to step out of this hailstorm now and go relax. Peace.

Yes

That is exactly what we should take from this thread. The fact that you should always stick to your guns! Even if your guns are just two handfuls of spaghetti!

LOL

Don Quixote comes to mind.

Check out the Laissez-Faire Journal at LFJournal.com


"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

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Well $#it

I've shared personal info with both of you....

I figure if all these disinfo agents/ Gov. Shills exist that I'm already on some government terrorist list somewhere.

Whatever, I still trust both you guys and honestly think this whole thing the combination of both you being paranoid.

You are both making some pretty harsh accusations on one another....

If any of this is disinfo agent stuff is true then I hope you both get banned, if not then I suggest you keep it in the emails...

I just don't know anymore

Who else is a shill? Are you both shills working for different companies? What is all this about?

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

I did a search for your ID in my email box

I don't see it so I don't know what personal info you're speaking of. If you want to see the evidence feel free to PM me.

No.7's picture

Email sent

I'd like to hear both sides of the story

If you guys are Gov. Agents or whatever the hell you accuse each other of.

bring it on, put me on a terror list or whatever it is that sad sorry SOB's who get paid to troll do, whatever, I ain't skeered

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

Alright I admit it!

I'm the fed, I have been monitoring your correspondence and your activity for over a year, I inserted that quote into both sharkhearted's and your email!

The best way to keep me off your trail is to stay away from the internet and especially this website!

Go quickly before I change my mind and sick my black helicopters on your ass!

Check out the Laissez-Faire Journal at LFJournal.com


"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

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HEy Josh Arizona....I know we had some friction early on

And I am sorry for that.

Friends.

Here is the complete unredacted email chain and explanation here in case you would like to take a look.

All the best,

Chris

http://www.dailypaul.com/270290/cognitive-infiltration-and-g...

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Thanks

All is forgiven, just as I said at the time, the friction was really just a misunderstanding.

I didn't hold any grudges against you, I just figured "Eh, new guy, he'll learn in time.".

You've probably learned a lot since then, and may not even hold the same opinions you did a year ago.

I took a look at the emails, and I am even more puzzled now as to why such a big deal has been made out of this.

Also, even more convinced that Vince is absolutely paranoid.

I posted a few possible scenarios as to how the text in question ended up in the email, on your thread.

Check out the Laissez-Faire Journal at LFJournal.com


"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

Thanks for the warning.

I don't know but, you may be on to something.

Normally, I would dismiss posts like this but, today I tried to send an email to a DPer friend who is going for surgery,with copies going to other DPer friends and I no matter how I tried, I kept getting a message that my message had either been deleted or moved to another file every time I hit the send button.

Now, I have to wonder....

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Now he's trying to get this post removed.

If you're innocent man, all you gotta do is say "prove it" - everyone should know you're dang guilty as heck including your SHILL buddies because they prob do the same thing... LOL @ you begging Micheal to come to your rescue by having the post removed.

All you got is character assassination... that's proof you're a shill as well as far as I'm concerned.

Those who have seen the proof agree. Now you're trying to figure out a way to cover your tracks by saying I CHANGED MY OWN TEXT lol. Well I gotta hand it to you. You got me there. I suppose I could have changed it as well so now we're just back to who can be trusted.

As far as that goes... you've lied on here multiple times and the email exchange proves at least that. As far as people trying to intimidate me into releasing our private conversation via putting it up on the web - keep fishing. I meant what I said and I said what I meant. I am a man of my word.

I invite anyone to point out one lie... anywhere that I said on here that isn't truthful. If I made a mistake I'm happy to correct it. If I haven't updated a post from last year... based on new information obviously that might be different... point is however I'm pretty sure I'm 100% in the clear in that department. FYI - If you're going to make an accusation make sure you can back it up with REFERENCES.

As far as not giving me your email... those who have given me their email will vouch for the fact that I don't abuse their emails nor have I attempted to solicit even one dime from them. As for Luna... the guy is an admitted troublemaker. He just likes to stir it up for the fun of it. He get's off on making others miserable. Class act.

Too bad most people don't have a shred of integrity. So if you don't like that I honor my word you might as well keep voting for these people that tell you what you wanna hear. Why don't you go petition the white house some more?

As for the Daily Paul in general... that's great that there's the freedom of speech here and almost nobody gets banned, however people that are here for no other reason than to cause trouble... ad hominem attacks.. character assassinations... desperate attempts to discredit people and nothing ever gets done about it... you can see I haven't been here all day long.

I'm weaning myself off of the Daily Paul. The people I can count on my own hand that actually give a crap about what I have to share have my skype and email... the rest don't really care for me around here anyway. I'm not going to stick around too much longer where I'm not wanted. For my part... I'm about to surrender the Daily Paul to the disrupter info-supressing shills. It's not my website so it's not my place to make any demands... just suggestions... then I can choose - in what's left of the free market... to take my information elsewhere.

As far as the mere handful of people on here that are the NO COMPROMISE constitutionalists... you can pick them out by watching how many of these SHILL are all over them like flies on chit. Then while they are asserting ALL of their rights about the only right others know how to assert is their right to remain silent. Instead of sitting there watching them combat sometimes a dozen trolls at a time all by themselves you should think about piping up and defending them... because those are the last REAL leaders left around here. One by one... we will probably all split eventually because nobody sticks their neck out to defend us... making us think you don't want us to stick around.

Most of the people who signed the Declaration of Independence lost their lives, limbs and their fortunes. The founders of this country weren't very popular either so I guess those of us who attract a hailstorm of attacks are in pretty good company.

Dunno if this is my last post or not... but it sure feels like it.

jrd3820's picture

How are you doing today Vince?

Did you get much sleep last night?

Like a log brother.

Thanks for asking. Blessings :)

jrd3820's picture

Sister

But good to hear.

My deepest apologies

my dear. Please forgive the mistake. "jrd3820" is kinda gender-neutral lol. Free for dinner sometime? :-P