Liberty Threat Level Orange - The Evidence - FEDs Possibly Baiting/Setting Up DP Members In Email Threads
Submitted by vinceableworld on Sat, 01/12/2013 - 12:22Evidence posted.
I'm going back and fourth with someone in email about his website and my witness program and how we might be able to combine our efforts. Mild conversation. Then out of the blue he says "ARE YOU A DIS-INFO AGENT?"
At first I took it defensively. Then I searched back thru the thread to see what I said he might have taken the wrong way.
Then I noticed he had changed some of my words way back in the thread.
This is what I actually said:
http://www.bart-mart.com/education/bustedShill2.jpg
Now here's the entire thread. See if you can pick out what he changed and how odd that seems?
http://www.bart-mart.com/education/bustedShill.jpg
The change is obviously pretty benign but why would someone edit the quoted text making it look like you wrote it?
Nobody likes it when words are put in their mouth. How about if someone were to edit YOUR quote in their reply so as to put words in your email? Get it?
The first edit might be just a test to see if you catch it. Then he could add other more incriminating stuff that "I said."
There is also another tactic employed. He accuses you of something. Then you reassure him you are not a "DIS-INFO agent." (Which I didn't do. I simply said "If I was would I say so?") Then he says "Okay I take you at your word." Now you've developed a certain level of trust with him... but has he developed any trust with you? This is classic reverse psychology.
Protect and serve WHO? Protect and serve WHAT? Why don't they ever put that part on their slogans? More like SET UP ANYONE WHO GETS IN OUR WAY. That's not a "govt" folks... that's a criminal enterprise no different than the "Godfather."
To the FED: Cease and desist... repent for your sins and I'll forgive the trespass. You just severely violated your oath of office. SHAME on you.
So just watch your 6 people. Keep your eyes peeled. Over and out...
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No worries
You are right, the name is gender neutral. I just correct you boys every now and again because you all always go right for the "brother" so I like to remind people there are some ladies here still.
Enjoy your evening.
jrd is still here... kinda in a weird sort of way. She also just might be the happiest girl in the world because she got exactly what she wanted which was a perfect summer wandering playlist.
Are you addressing me in your reply to my comment?
If you read what I replied to sharkhearted, you'd know that it seemed to me that both of you may be victims. After reading your reply to me(?), and looking at your history here, now I wonder what you are trying to achieve with posts like that. You aren't doing yourself any favors carrying on with your recent comments.
Nonna...here is my post and reply
http://www.dailypaul.com/270290/cognitive-infiltration-and-g...
~Chris
Norfolk, VA
Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.
Saw it and bumped it.
I never doubted you, Chris.
Thank you. Friends.
Your response means more than than you can say.
~Chris
Norfolk, VA
Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.
No absolutely not.
Just didn't push your comment down.
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Nonna, I am the person whom this wackjob is "accusing"
Here is the email that I just sent to Michael Nystrom.
Dear Michael,
A Daily Paul member....has apparently hacked into my personal information and email accounts.
I have started this new website called www.911crimes.org where I am hoping to bring together different groups in the 9-11 truth movements and come together and start building cases on individuals and citizens' prosecutions groups.
An individual "vinceableworld"....commented to me or emailed me I can't remember and I emailed him as I thought maybe from his comments he might be an attorney and might want to help.
That was a mistake.
I made the mistake of giving this individual my email and he actually turned the tables on me and accused me of changing the texts in his email.
I did no such thing. I would never do such a thing.
However, the text that he claims that I switched in his email, did indeed come from me....but they were written not to him but to somebody else....and sent from a different email account.
How he got that text I don't know. But he used them against me by switching them in the body of an earlier email he had sent, and then saying that I changed it...which I absolutely did not.
In the email exchange, after he started to get somewhat antagonistic about my 911 Crimes Project (Why would anyone get antagonistic about trying to get justice for 911?)...I did ask him if he was a disinformation agent...and then quickly apologized when he said he wasn't.
But this person would not relent...and then he sent me a threatening email saying that I had committed "email fraud" and he published a forum on here that is just completely bogus.
It is getting to the point where he is committing libel. He is lying about me being a "government shill".
I am not...and never have been. I am just one guy who put out $150 of money that I don't have to start a website in an effort to bring about a new investigation and prosecution of the events of 911.
And I just don't have time to spar with somebody that has obviously hacked into my personal information.
Is there any way you would please consider pulling this thread?
http://www.dailypaul.com/269884/liberty-thread-level-redcens...
In advance, thank you.
REGARDS,
Christopher M
Norfolk, VA
~Chris
Norfolk, VA
Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.
If anyone buys this emotional garbage
I've got a few bridges to sell ya.
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Isn't that what you're doing?
You keep saying you're not going to post a private conversation...but why bother respecting the privacy of an alleged shill/scammer? Thus far, the only evidence you have is your word, and frankly, that isn't enough.
All that's odd enough, but then you turn around and tell people to give them their email addresses so you can show them screenshots. Seems to me that you wouldn't do that if you were really so concerned about a "private conversation".
The above, naturally, compels me to ask you the following questions;
1) If you're trying to warn others, then why not just come out with the evidence rather than have people email you for it?
2) Do you really care about this conversation being private, given that you're seemingly willing to show it to everyone...as long as they give you their email address? Oh, and the fact that you made this thread in the first place, and initially called the person out by name.
3) Why bother protecting the privacy of someone you believe to be a scammer, especially given that you seem so intent on "warning" others? It makes no sense whatsoever.
The fact that you keep asking for people's email addresses, coupled with a complete absence of evidence leads me to believe you're full of it.
I know, I know, I'm on your little "list" now. Is that anything like Nixon's list...or Obama's?
A signature used to be here!
Check out the full unredacted version of the email exchange here
I redacted his email address of course...but everything else is out in the open.
Thanks for your points....well taken.
We will see how he handles my response:
http://www.dailypaul.com/270290/cognitive-infiltration-and-g...
~Chris
Norfolk, VA
Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.
Non-negotiable.
If... before shark finally gives his consent for me to post the PRIVATE CONVERSATION online... you have two options if you want to see the evidence.
1) PM me.
2) Don't PM me. I'm not forcing anyone to do anything. If you can't see him avoiding me like the black plague and you actually even need to bother seeing evidence at this point.. I don't know what to tell ya.
You have my word that if that's the only reason you want me to email you EVER - just say so and I will honor your request to not be contacted again. Real simple. Unless you're on my talkshoe or witness notification list that's how it is anyway.
That's how it is... accept it. Make your demands on SHARK - Not me. I've stood up to a half dozen cops completely unarmed with nothing but my big mouth, my principles and my knowledge of the constitution. If you think you can brow beat me into going back on my word by making a few comments online... I don't know what to tell ya. You're wasting your time.
Instead of the repeated attempts to get me to go back on my word maybe you should respect that in this hailstorm of criticism I am rock-solid in keeping it... but I guess that's not very popular anymore either.
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Chris, you are about the last person I would have thought
he was talking about! You and I may not always agree about one or two things but, I "know" you and I've always thought of you as a Patriot and still do.
I don't "know" vinceableworld but, I don't really have any reason to doubt that he is experiencing problems with his email. That you are the one responsible for doing evil is just not at all believable.
Gotta wonder what is really going on here because something is going on.
Note to vinceableworld: You've got the wrong guy! Focus and get to the bottom of this mess. IMO, you owe sharkhearted an apology. Right now, you both seem to be victims in this debacle.
Nonna you might be right.
I am not sure who hacked into our email exchange but if it wasn't him, then I will certainly give him the benefit of the doubt.
Thank you for your support.
Here is the full email thread here...
http://www.dailypaul.com/270290/cognitive-infiltration-and-g...
~Chris
Norfolk, VA
Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.
It's a toss up.
I do know that I am either right or I am paranoid. Just don't know which. Comes from living in NJ. We suspect everybody, and usually with good reason.
We are dealing with forces beyond our comprehension
Whose only motive is to try and divide and conquer us.
Psy-ops are a subtle...but very, VERY powerful means to undermine and destabilize us.
We have to recognize it....before it recognizes us. Beat it to the game.
~Chris
Norfolk, VA
Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.
unfortunately not vince.
vince is talking to a brick wall. I know vince. He's not the guy that need a fan base or seeking attention. But rather wanting everyone to see truth. Seeing from the down voting and up voting there is a shill there.
so....
you both are claiming the same thing happened
to the both of you?
this post is a he said/she said kind of deal
vince has had my email for months now,and we have talked on the phone
i noticed nothing strange,or out of the ordinary about him
i just wonder how you both can claim the same thing happened,this
gives me pause,as now i wonder who is doing the lying,or maybe both?
deacon
IS AN A-NARCHIST ONE WHO PRACTICES THE ART OF SQUEALING?
Check out the entire email thread here...and you decide.
It is entirely possible that we have both been had. Not sure how someone could hack into an email exchange...but stranger things have happened.
http://www.dailypaul.com/270290/cognitive-infiltration-and-g...
~Chris
Norfolk, VA
Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.
after reading
it appears a mistake was made
by this i mean,a wrong button pushed
or something to that effect
i know,i have a habit of hitting a wrong one
on my keyboard,and it does strange things
like move whole sentences around,go back to the last page i was on
and at times posts the same link twice,when only one was highlighted
so yeah,things happen,we live in an exciting and also a stressful time
add a little lack of sleep(not saying this is the root)it is with me
not eating right,and just trying to hard to do things right,these are the times when the world just seems wrong and upside down
i do no think either of you did anything subpar or nefarious
how about you all forgive each other(and get back to work :))
deacon
IS AN A-NARCHIST ONE WHO PRACTICES THE ART OF SQUEALING?
What Deacon said
.
"Any man worth his salt will stick up for what he believes right, but it takes a slightly better man to acknowledge instantly and without reservation that he is in error." - Andrew Jackson
vince
post the emails,hard to tell what is going on
and i know who you were talking about
just post them,and get to the bottom of it
as far as watching our 6's,most here already
watch our back sides
deacon
IS AN A-NARCHIST ONE WHO PRACTICES THE ART OF SQUEALING?
Sorry bro I can't do that.
I gave my word I would not post the emails unless sharkhearted grants permission to release the PRIVATE CONVERSATION to the public.
I have given the screenshots to a few people as proof and also for my own protection. You got mail.
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Less coffee
more sleep. Always does the trick. I am so confused reading your post. You need to start with some basics. Things like a subject, what is this about?
"Be a listener only, keep within yourself, and endeavor to establish with yourself the habit of silence, especially on politics." -Thomas Jefferson
You said:
"So just watch your 6 people."
Huh? What six people?
Also, at least on the surface, you do seem a bit unhinged. :p
I mean, I don't know that for sure. But all the "sovereign man" stuff and shrill hyperbolic sudden warnings of imminent danger and tragedy related to vague emails and forum posts gives me pause. :)
Just sayin...
.
~wobbles but doesn't fall down~
guys don't give him your skype or email
he is just trying to get your personal contact stuff i'm sure. I mean who else would claim integrity about not posting a screenshot, but still show people if they give him their contact info what a very curious double standard. its a bunch of bull
Smells like a weirdo to me.
Agreed.
Here is my (the "accused") response back to him.
Hopefully it will knock some sense into him.
http://www.dailypaul.com/270290/cognitive-infiltration-and-g...
~Chris
Norfolk, VA
Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.
Agreed. It seems Vince is the one baiting everyone to email him.
It is peculiar that he is making this big public production, but wouldn't post the content in question here without permission, which I'm not encouraging since this seems to be a private matter, yet will show anyone and everyone here if they contact him privately. Since the latter would accomplish the same thing as posting it publicly, why the need to get everyone to email him?
If what the OP is complaining about was a serious DP matter, the content in question could've been taken to Michael.
Here is my response to him, Jiminy.
Not sure what is going on here...but we may be dealing with 3rd party manipulation of email to divide and conquer.
I am now not convinced that this individual is a disinfo agent...I think he might be a victim as well.
We really should not forget however, that governments all over the world employ disinfo tactics and there is no reason to not speculate that the both of us have been had.
Something strange is going on, indeed.
I suspect it has something to do with the site I have started...no doubt a government hot-button: www.911crimes.org. Hmm.
Well....here is my total response to this individual. I hope it will calm him down and show him that I am not trying to frame him or set him up or whatever. Nothing could be further from the truth.
http://www.dailypaul.com/270290/cognitive-infiltration-and-g...
~Chris
Norfolk, VA
Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.
Thanks shark.
Not sure what could've happened, but whether a hacking situation or simply a misplaced edit that was perhaps put in a wrong window when multitasking (who hasn't posted something in a wrong window, skype conversation, etc. when there was more than one thing at a time going on).
At any rate, I'm not suspecting anything nefarious on your part at all. If anything, this whole thread has made me wary of Vince...not so much because I think he did anything nefarious, either, but rather how he handles things.
his not pansy.
vince talk alot of truth. sad truth without a support. If he sees something wrong he speaks out. What mind boggling is the name and then him denying / rejecting vince for consolation or consideration in mail or chat.