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America's #1 Problem: Our Justice System Has Been Hijacked by DECEPTION! (Re-Edit)

DP note: I am consolidating some of my more important posts on AmericanHeroFund and also have done some editing and re-organizing of my thoughts. You may like them better the second time around :)

Think about this for a minute. When you have a question about law, what does everyone tell you to do? Do they refer you to a particular book? Do they refer you to the constitution(s)?

Or do they tell you to go ask an Attorney (aka BAR member)?

Constitution's 6th Amendment (perhaps the most important one save for the 2nd): In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.

Where in this amendment does it say "licensed attorney?" What it says in my interpretation is that if you want to have Joe SixPack come down and speak on your behalf or assist you in learning the law regarding your defense, there is no law which says that he cannot do so.

Money from the people -> Attorneys -> Lobbyists -> Legislation -> More rights go poof. If you look real carefully there is a certain point in that equation where the people have ALL the power.

More here...

Any new life possible for this post on the re-edit? Thx in advance :)

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Thanks for the post.

A lawyer friend of mine said law school is all about learning process and semantics and very little about Law and its ramifications....

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What would the Founders do?

That goes along

with everything I've heard.

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ATTORNEY LICENSE FRAUD

I. AS PER THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT;
A. The practice of Law CAN NOT be licensed by any state/State Schware v. Board
of Examiners, 353 U.S. 238, 239
B. The practice of Law is AN OCCUPATION OF COMMON RIGHT!
Sims v. Aherns, 271 S.W. 720 (1925)

II. The "CERTIFICATE" from the State Supreme Court:
1. ONLY authorizes,
A. To practice Law "IN COURTS" As a member of the STATE JUDICIAL
BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT.
B. Can ONLY represent WARDS OF THE COURT.
2. INFANTS
3. PERSONS OF UNSOUND MIND SEE CORPUS JURIS SECUNDUM,
VOLUME 7, SECTION 4.
4. A. "CERTIFICATE" IS NOT A LICENSE....
A. To practice Law AS AN OCCUPATION.
B. Nor to DO BUSINESS AS A LAW FIRM!!!

III. The "STATE BAR" CARD IS NOT A LICENSE!!!
A. It is a "UNION DUES CARD"
B. The "BAR" is a "PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATION."
1. Like the Actors Union, Painters Union, etc.
2. No other association, EVEN DOCTORS, issue their own license. ALL ARE
ISSUED BY THE STATE.
C. It is a NON-GOVERNMENTAL PRIVATE ASSOCIATION.
1. See Attorney General Dan Morales' letter.
2. As per this letter; the State does not issue licenses and they are not issued by his
office!
http://www.landrights.com/Atty-license-fraud.htm

That is an awesome link

I'm going to print that out for reading further study.

Public Library visit today

I've got 8 pages from 18 USC 2381 with a lot of case law. If you look that up on the internet you get one paragraph of info.

http://www.bart-mart.com/education/18_USC_Treason_Misprision...

Ditto that yeah

I have the website owner on my skype. Name is Bill and he's 88 yrs old. Great guy just calls to chat every once in a while. He's got a lot of knowledge about the law.

For property tax... for example, since it's just a contract offer... you can just scribe out what you don't like and then sign it and put UCC 1-308 and go to the tax collector and hand it to him. May take a little extra knowledge the first few times to get him trained good... after that you shouldn't be bothered.

Its an interesting argument,

Its an interesting argument, although if that friend is not legally trained then why would you want him to represent you over even a public defender?

Ventura 2012

Trained ? Or Educated ?

There's a big difference.

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Its an interesting argument,
Submitted by BmoreBrawler on Tue, 01/15/2013 - 14:02. Permalink

Its an interesting argument, although if that friend is not legally trained then why would you want him to represent you over even a public defender?
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Law Schools, like Medical Schools, only teach / train in "approved protocols".

They are both "Closed Shops".

Members of either are near impossible to hold accountable.

Members of either who step outside their "Shop Rules" or otherwise "Embarrass the Profession", lose their "Accreditation".

Public Defenders Office is where you'll most likely find the "True Believers". Yet, they are still merely trained and "Approved". A nice Front Face to the illusion of "Justice for All".

The Constitution is a Trust : http://www.The-Legacy.Info

Oh God help me.

Legal and lawful are not the same. Legal is the six million for profit statutes - the majority of which are un-constitutional and NOT LAWS. Lawful is by the SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND.

Constitutional government is NOT PROFITABLE for BAR MEMBERS.

PLEASE read:
http://www.dailypaul.com/269892/our-justice-system-has-been-...

99% of people in "government" - ARE BAR MEMBERS! Why would they support the constitution? Why would any of them prosecute each other for doing something unconstitutional... please tell me you can see the code now... stop looking at the pictures... step back and see if you can SEE THE CODE.

Just being an Attorney aka BAR member aka ESQUIRE and serving in government is UNCONSTITUTIONAL! See: Article 1 section 9 clause 7!

I mean trained in law aka

I mean trained in law aka public speaking, legal research etc not "legally" allowed to practice law. Shouldn't that be obvious from what I said? Or were you just looking for an excuse to rant...

Ventura 2012

This is not about who is more qualified.

This is about ME having a RIGHT to have anyone I want defend me. The "Public Defender" is a public pretender. He's got a dozen cases on his list for that day and you are being asked to trust your life (say you're facing 10 years) to him. He doesn't care about you one iota.

If you wanna argue what is best for me that's called SOCIALISM. We're talking about RIGHTS here.

Attorneys are not trained in law. They are trained in DECEPTION and how to fleece their neighbors. They are taught procedure... and they are definitely not taught to defend the constitution.

If you can't even SEE the chains

how can you BREAK the chains?

Hello Comrade in Arms!

Looks like you're combating the foolishness in your own thread, as I am mine. As I stated in another post, when you and I, or deacon, or Clay or Heir, or a few others with any legal-lawful common sense make informative posts, we have to spend the next 4 days doing damage control on the idiocy of comments left by the sheep suffering of Stockholme's Syndrome.

You want to see some devastation of a one man wrecking crew that's been combating this BS for the last two days?

http://www.dailypaul.com/269525/tax-tip-start-charging-the-i...

Read the comments; these Assclowns hit me with everything they had, and in the end, they're all pushing up Daisy's in the garden of idiots past.

Have fun, the comments are priceless; a few of them have been spanked so hard, they're still in the corner licking their wounds and rubbing themselves down with Bengay .... LOL

The Truth is a devastating tool against ignorance and tyranny (insert evil grin :)

I'm clocking out for the night; Assclown #1, #2, and #3 in that thread I linked wore me out; got to get some sleep and continue pounding them to a pulp again tomorrow, because trust me; these idiots are SLOW learners and WILL be back for another azz whooping.

Keep swinging brother .... LOL

And then there's that pesky missing 13th amendment

The people called government (of whom the vast majority are practitioners of professional sophistry as evidenced by their BAR card) took over the reins 160+ years ago, wiped away that amendment, and are trying to force one of their own upon you in your defense. Yeah, right...

Yes the fraudulent 13th amendment

Outlaws slavery and involuntary servitude.

However VOLUNTARY servitude is FINE. While this should be a right anyway.. it does not need to be identified in a constitutional amendment. The 14th is the SMOKING GUN however because that is when the "person" and "citizen of the United States" was created - thereby most people became a CORPORATE AGENT AND EMPLOYEE in a private contract and do not know that they have WAIVED their rights and agreed to 6 million plus codes/acts/statutes etc... CORPORATE ENFORCED by the DE-FACTO "GOVT" DBA as the legitimate de jure government.

Before that GOVERNMENT could not INTERFACE with the PEOPLE IN ANY WAY.

I wasn't referring to the current "13th" amendment

Let's call it "13b". I was referring to the original 13th amendment:

http://www.constitutionalconcepts.org/13thamendment.htm

What you stated above is absolutely true however.

I feel you pain brother ..... LOL

Most of the people here are not interested in learning silly things like the Law; they don't really want freedom; they LOVE their captures and will fight to the death to protect them, as is apparent in their down voting of educational posts such as this.

If you really want to get some traction around here, you've got to learn to post things like this:

1. 31 Ways to use Mason Jars in the Kitchen
2. Sign this petition and tell Obama not to take your guns
3. Check out this image of Cosmic Rays in Sector Seven
4. Rand Paul just ate an ice cream at Bally's
5. Go Packer's
6. Beetle chit cures Cancer
7. Grandma's Secret Brownie Fudge Moca Cookies
8. I'm leaving the Daily Paul, this is my last post
9. China raises price of tea to all time high
10. British Economist say earth will end in 2099

Are you getting the gist of it? Your ignorant post of Liberty and Freedom are clogging up the forum and keeping people from reading the REAL ticket to Liberty, like the ten I posted above.

Your logic and educational posts have no place on the number one freedom from gov't tyranny website on the internet, take you stupidity and logic elsewhere.

Have you ever seen that photo of the sheep standing in the street, jumping up and down saying "F*ck You ... I won't do what you tell me to" and "You can't make me" ?

Some people don't want freedom until Big Brother is kicking their door down and dragging them down the street. When that happens, they are burning up guys like us' emails and phones begging for advice to keep them out of prison and save their homes.

Get with the program moron, you're freedom and logic isn't appreciated around here :)

+1

Yes... only emotional tirades and begging the slave masters to please give us more liberty is acceptable around here.

But you know what? F**k that s**t man. If you can't handle the truth then go back to your American Idol, eat your GMO food with a nice tall glass of fluoridated water and don't forget to get permission every time you want to go to the bathroom.

Remember that? That's the first thing we were taught in school. Raise your hand if you want to go to the bathroom! Sometimes the teacher said NO and you were supposed to just sit there and hold it. The very first form of institutionalized torture in our childhood.

See here now this is what I'm talking about:

Not one comment. Not one question... I stand by my post and again questioning why I keep wasting my time around here!

http://www.dailypaul.com/269713/youre-all-just-a-bunch-of-ye...

Do you want LIBERTY or not? Do you want to get there tomorrow or not possibly for a few more generations?

I feel like the kid in the back of the class with his hand up going "ooO OoO ooO!! Pick me pick me!" and the teacher never calls on me.

Libertarians! Can I have your attention please for a few minutes or are you too busy listening/watching people ranting on about divisive issues and spectacularizing the effects instead of addressing the causes/

Can't you see

how annoying you are being?

No he has no clue

Apparently he believes that if you are a raging putz on the Internet, people will just start waking up.

Yes!

The problem is I am annoying the wrong people!!!

Doesn't the above annoy anyone? Maybe a little? Does anyone actually want to address the ROOT of these problems? Or are you content to just spend the rest of your lives hacking at the branches?

Differentiate

between your subject matter and your presentation. If I am not interested in your presentation, that doesn't mean I am not interested in the subject matter.

Differentiate between reality and your assumptions.

Differentiate between the humility inherent in true spirituality and the coarseness of superficial religious zealotry.

If you're not willing to look down upon your chains.

I cannot tell you how to break them. Call me crazy at your own peril.

Then stop

Nobody cares. You are not communicating effectively. We will never care, but even if we did, we would find someone else to interact with because you are a fool.

Are the downvotes telling you something? They should be. It says you stink at this and should stop, forever.

For someone accusing me of being "schizophrenic"

We will never care

Non-schizos would say "I will never care."

You obviously think you have more than one personality in there. I'd consider seeing someone about that.

Just kidding... I realize your tactic is to get everyone to believe as you say using the "we" instead of "I" which is a typical brainwashing maneuver.

Speak for yourself. We're not friggin socialists here.

"We" is appropriate

Because I, as well, do not care. It also seems as if you have multiple accounts.

lol

Not a shred of evidence exists of that... not to mention it's not true. This is a big part of our problem, people making decisions based on feelings/moods/appearances instead of getting to the truth of the matter.

For the record: I use ONE account on Daily Paul - I changed the handle once when the campaign was over but it's still the same account.

As far as not caring... well then why would you even be here?