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How to collapse the system peacefully

Ending an opressive federal government would happen if these things were done by the majority of the people.

1. Stop using federal reserve notes (in fact refuse to accept federal reserve notes as payment)
2. Stop paying federal taxes
3. Stop obeying federal laws and stand together to protect those who stop.
4. Develop alternate local and regional self government
5. Stop listening to their controlled news media

This would lead to great hardship for a few years but then freedom, peace and prosperity. This would involve no more hardship than freedom loving people have had to endure to obtain freedom before. How long do you think the federal govenment could last with no money to pay employees and with higher enforcement costs? It would have no ability to raise money, with no tax revenue and only the ability to print worthless federal reserve notes that nobody accepts. With massive civil disobedience costs would increase.

Actually these things are already in the works. Federal reserve notes are dying, people will soon be so poor they cannot pay taxes or use many federal reserve notes. When the SHTF people are not going to obey federal laws unless at the point of a gun. Their news media is losing credibility daily. If we stand together and keep educating then when this all goes down, we may have a chance to gain freedom.

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Make the State irrelevant.

I hope that someday we will have reached enough people to begin a successful mass individual secession from the State.

The only thing holding up their house of cards is the consent of many to its illusions of authority.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard


I see we still have some state worshippers here.

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nope for me i won't ever worship the state its immoral and needs to be removed and then people can be free to voluntarly trading and not using federal reserve notes as use by law and FORCE were we not told when we were younger that don't hit and don't steal? but yet all the State does is STEAL and what not...end the STATE and Legalize FREEDOM.

Albert Camus — 'The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.'

I'm not interested in Destroying America.

1) The whole point of fiat money is it's imposed on the people by political force. NOBODY would accept Federal Reserve Notes, except they're forced to by law. You'll go to jail.

2) The Federal Government was given authority over our national credit through the Constitution, and to take out credit in our name means paying off credit through taxation, but it was also tied to sound money through the same document, but still. You'll go to jail.

3) Laws are imposed by force, and you're outgunned. You'll go to jail.

4) You can start a town, but that town will exist within a county, within a state, within a Republic. What you're suggesting is treason. You'll go to jail. (If you're lucky)

5) Good idea.

Of course you go to jail

It's a revolution. Do you think the first american revolution was legal? Do you think this can be done without casualties? It isn't destroying america, it is removing the evil parasite that sucks us dry. What I am proposing is a way to as peacefully as possible regain our freedom.

Partial contention

Because coercion can happen at any level of government (inc. federal / state / county etc), I would agree that the primary political issue is to dignify the prerogative of choice concerning public domain.

Subsequently however, all taxation should be abolished and the right to withdraw from institutional abuse codified

Why hardship?

That is absurd.

If people don't use any honest, competitive, money, sure, they are disconnecting themselves from other people and they are then on their own, and they are then not taking advantage of cooperative effort, including division of labor, specialization, and economies of scale, which is absurd.

Many examples throughout history record how well people live when they disconnect from criminals running criminals governments, so far from hardship the moment any number of people stop "providing the means by which they suffer" they are by that measure much more powerful and therefore much more readily able make their own standard of living better and their own costs of living less costly.

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." Henry Ford

A competitive monetary system, honest money made honest through competition, would be a steady force applied by each individual decision in a free money market to increase the quality of money and reduce the cost of money.

That last factual statement goes over a lot of heads, but too bad for them, it is true.

So a home mortgage where a home buyer buys 3 homes to get one is absurd, and that routine would vanish in Liberty.

Federal Income Taxes, which is a False Front for Extortion made legal vanishes, so how many people can afford to do something better with their money than buy more wars, and better liars?

Inflation, which takes roughly half your earnings each year, in good times, despite all the nonsense measuring that rate of theft to the contrary, is also gone, so how is it that hardship is the result of opting out of Legal Crime at the Federal Crime Ring Level?

It makes no sense, it is absurd, there would be no hardship unless there were enough Goons to make all of us miserable because we are forced to defend ourselves instead of working productively and taking long vacations since our work earnings are no longer stolen and used to steal more.




You are only thinking of your own situation

Think pensions, social security, welfare, etc. not to mention the governments likely heavy handed response. Some of us would likly take bullets before it was over. Also commerce would temporarily, maybe for years grind to a halt. Think credit cards. This would be far from painless but is the only way I see. This would take down the worlds economy for a period of time.

You are placing thoughts into my head?

What makes you think that an orderly, equitably, reasonable, fair, negotiated rate of return on moral investments can't be worked out from Federal to State to The People in any individual case whatsoever?

I don't think that anyone has to abandon anyone when the criminals at the "Federal" (which is not Federal it is criminal) level are no longer stealing and then using the stolen loot to steal more.

The among of available power that is no longer used to destroy the capacity to make more power will most certainly be used to make more power out of less power and if you don't understand that then you don't, but that does not mean that your failure to understand it makes it go away.

I do not appreciate you claiming to know what I think, please stop.

"Some of us would likly take bullets before it was over."

That is happening right now.

"Also commerce would temporarily, maybe for years grind to a halt."

That is happening right now because the connection between honest productive people is still working to cause the productive power produced by honest people to flow to the criminals who then use that stolen power to steal more: obviously you fail to get the point, or your viewpoint (which may or may not be accurate) concerns something other than stopping the flow of power being stolen from the honest productive people and then used by criminals claiming to be "Federal" employees, or whatever false front works to hide their crimes, and they the stolen loot is used to steal more, and if you are not speaking about that, then your words could be less capable of being misunderstood, or for sure I could just ask for clarity concerning what you are saying.

What are you saying?

"Think credit cards."

Dollar, or Federal Reserve Note, denominated Credit Cards?

Please be specific as to what I am supposed to think according to you.

"This would be far from painless but is the only way I see. This would take down the worlds economy for a period of time."

If you want to take down, whatever that means, the worlds economy, whatever that means, I'm sure you can join the criminals and accomplish that task, sharing that goal, since they are well under way in reaching that goal. If, on the other hand, you want a competitive future then that can be the goal too.

Which is it?


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