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Votes on DP posts are measures of emotion

Voting a post or comment up or down is an emotional response. It is visceral. You punch for the button, plus or minus - emotionally.

That may have some disadvantages, but it also creates interesting data about the emotional state of the Daily Paul.

What's the most downvoted post in the history of the DP? Anyone know?

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Note: The original title of this post was: The numerical ratings on DP posts are measures of emotion.

Because they are emotional, they are arbitrary expressions. Arbitrary expressions that nevertheless form a trend.

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Update 2:

BTW - This is not a rhetorical question

Submitted by Michael Nystrom on Sat, 01/12/2013 - 23:16. Permalink

Anyone can find this information out. There is data for lots of "Most" pages on the Daily Paul, that Joη programmed.

Go snoop around on that blue bar up there. Joη built that. There is a link that says "Most:" Click on it. There are all kinds of "Most pages." It is incredible. Like some kind of an excavation. There are so many posts on the DP, a tool like that is necessary.

But I find it ironic. Compare and contrast the top most rated thread, and the bottom most rated thread. I find it both humorous and ironic.

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Update 3:

This is the one:

Submitted by SteveMT on Sun, 01/13/2013 - 01:03. Permalink


-1,148 votes.

There is no way to avoid group think when something like this happens. These votes accumulated day after day, and I would venture to say that no one changed their votes once they formed an opinion. Either you liked or you did not. If you took a poll of this same endorsement today, you might even get the same result as last June.

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I'm sure some votes are emotional. I tend to upvote posts that I agree with, or appreciate, and hope they climb into that "Top Recent Topics" box, so others can see them.

Thank you for pointing out the MOST box. I checked it out as you suggested, and found my notorius http://www.dailypaul.com//243617/why-i-will-vote-for-romney-... post didn't even make it in the bottom ten.. it was #11 in EVER most downvoted.. I admit, I didn't expect so many downvotes because I made the post to educate what I had learned concerning loyalty oaths.. and I agree with you here, that many of those votes were emotional.

But here's the rub.. after that post, it appeared that no matter what I posted, I received multible downvotes.. it was stalking really: See the name "The Granger" and vote down. I don't believe there was any emotion involved. It was done to hurt me and those like me who did what we understood Ron Paul wanted. Join the GOP, get a seat, get into an office and restore the republic.

I never complained about the downvotes, because I sincerely believe people should have the right to express themselves, what they feel and what they think.

That brings me to the real downside of this voting.. when people leave downvotes and no comment.. Why the down vote? Is there a MOST question? Because "Why the downvote?" I bet is the most common question on DP.

I agree with those who would like a span on the votes.. so we can see up and downvotes.. and even better.. I would like to have people earn votes.. must comment to vote.

I have introduced many people to DP.. even today, the person left me saying Daily Paul.. Daily Paul.. It would not be too hard to form a posse and single someone out and downvote them into the MOST box.. it wouldn't even be emotional. But I'm not into war or hurting people.

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Oh my goodness

You were #11 downvoted threads ever? Wow, some people would have walked away with their tails between their legs. I love that you do not care and you are still here.

“I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
― Dr. Seuss

I care, jrd3820.

I care very much.

I thought about Ron Paul, recalling his censorship and mistreatment from the GOP, and MSM.. he didn't quit. He had it much much harder than I ever did.

It seems that's the bottom line in politics.. not quitting.. quitters never win, eh?

I have no idea how many upvotes I got from that post, but what I do know is how many friends I made. I made a lot of friends from that post who remain my friends. Since then, some who were angry with me have become my friend again. Of course, there are some who continue to hold a grudge, but that's their problem, eh?.

Thank you for your kindness!

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That is completely THEIR problem.

Not your problem in the least ;)

“I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
― Dr. Seuss

I honestly don't see the

I honestly don't see the point of the "like dislike" stuff.

I believe it creates emotion from the poster, not really the commenter. You have many, many divas on here and they use votes as just one method of crying.

Michael Nystrom's picture

Yes and there are others who engage them

So it is a co-dependent relationship. There are people here who will reflexively down vote certain people's posts, just because they don't like the poster. That is pretty petty.

I see the purpose of like / dislike as a temperature reading.

I guess in order to see what I'm talking about, you really have to see the most liked and disliked posts in the history of the DP are.

Those are the two extremes of emotion - fever pitches. Has the fever broken for both?

He's the man.

It never really mattered much

It never really mattered much to me, mostly because you as a vet, I couldn't really care what people think of me.

I have noticed that you are posting and replying a lot lately.

Why were you so silent over the election year stuff?

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I was bored by the election

It was so predictable. Kind of painful to watch, really. Talk about groupthink - the groupthink ran hot during the election!

So there was no point in participating. No one could listen to rationality back then. The fever of emotion seems to have broken. Now they're just laying sweaty in the bed, on the way to recovery.

Men go crazy in congregation, they only get better one by one. That is a Sting lyric, but I think he's paraphrasing Jung. Sting was into Jung, as evidenced by the 1984 Police album (my guess is '84) "Synchronicity."

That was a great album. Haven't heard it in years. But there is your answer. I was just riding out the fever.

Go with the flow, man.

He's the man.
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The up voting down voting

Is funny. In a thread a few days ago I commented simply by saying "I love Judge Napolitano." Should be one of the least divisive or offensive comments here especially considering it was during the great Alex Jones meltdown from earlier this week. 2 down votes for me. It cracked me up lol. Funny stuff.

Anyways, I see both the most upvoted and downvoted threads have to do with Romney. Interesting.

“I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
― Dr. Seuss

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Not just "about Romney."

The top one is a pledge of everyone where to vows never to support Romney. That is the top-most voted.

The bottom most voted is the video of Rand endorsing Romney on Hannity. Rand did exactly what everyone here didn't want him to do. As I said above, I find this amusing.

This is the root of the polarity we see on the site today. The polarity is visceral - born of fire - born of the emotion of when that news was new and relevant.

People (both sides, mind you) are focusing on emotions. Anyway, that is what all political campaigns do anyway - focus on the emotions.

Ron Paul's campaign was an extremely emotionally driven campaign, given that he never had any intention of winning. I think he was actually a little scared of what would happen if he did win, so he held back - didn't really go for the kill.

I think we'll see Rand go for the kill. I think he'll be ruthless about it. At least I know he wants to be.

A friend of mine who was a big Obama guy from the very beginning - told me how interesting it was to watch Obama cave on issue after issue, in order to get bigger. It was really disappointing to him, because to him, Obama was "the real deal," in the same way Rand is "the real deal."

He's the man.

Downvotes can be used to pull people's chain. >:-|

That's part of the problem. Such votes often are irrational or following and agenda.

As such it adds no useful content, it confuses and raises doubts but no purpose can be discerned because there is not purpose only an agenda.

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It is funny to me this place is so emotional because I am in 3 minorities here.

I am an ex liberal
I am young
I am female.

Yet the boys here are so passionate (which is a great quality) and sometimes emotional the up voting and down voting is really funny from my angle.

Your right, politics lately are just emotions emotions emotions.

I was living with a bunch of traveling hippie types in 2008 during the first Obama campaign, those people (while I love them dearly and are some of my closest friends still) were not thinking with their heads at all.

“I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
― Dr. Seuss

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It will be interesting

to grow though life remaining friends with your Obama friends.

Friendship is truly one of the most important things in the world. To remain connected to people you shared a passionate experience with - but not for the nostalgia, but for the future growth. There is so much growing to do.

You are young and life is long
And there is time to kill today

And then the one day you find
Ten years have got behind you
No one told you when to run
You missed the starting gun

That is from the perennial stoner classic Time, on Dark Side of the Moon by Pink Floyed.

I'm still friends with my stoner buddies from my early workforce years. Funny, I was more of a democrat back then, and he, being from Alaska, loved Ronald Reagan. We used to have the best conversations.

I think I'm going to call him right now.

He's the man.

Those guys have the best lyrics!

I especially love what they say in the entire album "The Final Cut". If you're not aware of those, you really must have a listen or at least view the words.

The all time best line is from "Wish you were here" though.
So, so you think you can tell
Heaven from Hell
Blue skies from pain
Can you tell a green field
From a cold steel rail?
A smile from a veil?
Do you think you can tell?

Did they get you to trade
Your heroes for ghosts?
Hot ashes for trees?
Hot air for a cool breeze?
Cold comfort for change?
And did you exchange
A walk on part in a war
For a lead role in a cage?

How I wish, how I wish you were here
We're just two lost souls
Swimming in a fish bowl
Year after year
Running over the same old ground
What have we found?
The same old fears
Wish you were here

My favorite Floyd tune

That one and "Time".

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their best one. I like Have a Cigar also, but for lyrics... Time is tops.

“I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
― Dr. Seuss

jrd3820's picture


Pink Floyd. My best friend is guy I have known since pre school. We went to high school and some of college together. He is gay and liberal and proud of it! But I adore him and he adores me. We have memories including stoney type pink floyd memories lol that go back to when we were 3. It has been interesting in the past few years when we talk politics but at the end of the day we laugh at each other. Plus I got him on board with some Ron Paul ideas!

“I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
― Dr. Seuss

Michael Nystrom's picture

You have found a wonderful friend

keep him.

Watch how all the petty stuff on the DP blows people apart ... and do the opposite of that. Everyone is human and with flaws. I am in awe of the flaws and shortcomings that my wife puts up with. Ha ha ha

'Cause when U love somebody
Every now and then it might rain
With every sun shower there's pain
Whenever something's lost
Something's gained

Sorry to keep dropping the song lyrics on you. This is Prince.

The reason it has resonance with me is because of my emotional attachment to the song. To you (unless you know the song, which I doubt - simply because it is obscure and before your time), those are just words. To me, I can hear the song in my head and feel a symphonic swell of emotion rising with it.

Emotion. It is like a mass psychology drug. Hitler used emotion to control the German people.

Those were smart people. But enough of them got duped by emotion, and the rest of them just had to go along.

He's the man.
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The music is great

I have been having nightly jam sessions here with a few members anyways.

My friend Andy and I will never not be friends. We argue and bicker and then we make each other laugh harder than anyone else in the world can. His family is my extended family and mine his. Nothing in this world is important enough for us to ever stop talking to each other.

“I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
― Dr. Seuss

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I recently read, and saw, The Perks of Being a Wallflower, and what you say reminded me of that movie. Funny, those young kids - that was a movie about my era. It captured the emotion of the era well. It was very nostalgic for me.

He's the man.

Similar here

I just stated something any guy with common perception could see, but then... Arrow bomb'd

"Truth is Treason in an Empire that lies" - Ron Paul

Educate the masses, and win in the end.

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I'm a chick

So, when I get down voted for something as ridiculous as "I love Judge Napolitano," all I can do is laugh at you boys and your testosterone lol

“I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
― Dr. Seuss

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You're a chick?

This is a new and interesting piece of data.

There is this old New Yorker cartoon with these two dogs, one sitting at the computer. And he says to the other, so happy and full of excitement, "On the internet, no one knows you're a dog."

I guess on the internet no one knows you're a chick, either.

Ha ha ha.

I'm glad you have a good sense of humor. That is one of the most important things I look for in a potential friend, and something I cherish dearly in my mate.

He's the man.
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Very few here know I am a girl because this forum is a mans world!

“I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
― Dr. Seuss

I agree. There are more towers here than nests.

I did blunder into the Ladies thread once.

I quickly realized it was a belch free zone just like mom's kitchen.

Of the 9 motivations, shared by men and women some are more likely to hang out on DP under certain conditions. Some can be driven out if targeted.

Some are motivated to be Comfortable, or Useful, Helpful, Efficient, Special, Observant, Loyal, Happy or Strong.

This means that there would have to be nine self help books to be effective for all. Or a good story. Tolkien pitted the nine Nazgul against the Nine Walkers.

Can we better spread the message of liberty by being inclusive.

Or to put it another way increase market share. Freedom is popular!

Free includes debt-free!

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You think so? Man's world?

That is so funny to hear that. Do tell more.

(I am totally cracking up right now)

He's the man.
jrd3820's picture


Umm... Try saying... Hey Guys I have a question about guns (which I totally did and got my ass handed to me LMAO!) because you are a girl and have never even been around guns. Yes I know that there are girls that carry guns, but I am not one of them.


I posted about a female in India who was raped to death in December and how the chicks want guns there but can't get them.... No traction. I thought with the gun issue people would at least talk about it. If I was in a forum with more females that post would have been discussed up and down.

I have been private messaging with another girl on this site a little bit and I described it as being on an elementary playground where for some reason the other girls did not come out to play.

You know what though? It is so much fun being here despite the lack of females.

“I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
― Dr. Seuss

I suspect some are 'hiding' behind a nym. That's fine by me/

A third of the population are motivated to go along to get along when stressed.

Biochemically, we all have the same hormones but in different proportions. Getting in touch with one's masculine and feminine sides is more than logical. The biochemistry cannot be denied.

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The biochemistry cannot be denied. Some are probably hiding, but some of us are going to come out and play. This site is entertaining from a female point of view because you guys can become really emotional and aggressive. I have made some great friends here, and I have had some vicious comments lodged at me. It can be shocking, but it is so funny for me to think of someone behind a computer screen getting that mad at something I typed, especially when half of what I type here is in jest.

“I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
― Dr. Seuss

A lot of us are rather "Aspergerish."

Everything is literal unless proven otherwise.

Women are so sensitive [grin].

Free includes debt-free!