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Votes on DP posts are measures of emotion

Voting a post or comment up or down is an emotional response. It is visceral. You punch for the button, plus or minus - emotionally.

That may have some disadvantages, but it also creates interesting data about the emotional state of the Daily Paul.

What's the most downvoted post in the history of the DP? Anyone know?

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Note: The original title of this post was: The numerical ratings on DP posts are measures of emotion.

Because they are emotional, they are arbitrary expressions. Arbitrary expressions that nevertheless form a trend.

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Update 2:

BTW - This is not a rhetorical question

Submitted by Michael Nystrom on Sat, 01/12/2013 - 23:16. Permalink

Anyone can find this information out. There is data for lots of "Most" pages on the Daily Paul, that Joη programmed.

Go snoop around on that blue bar up there. Joη built that. There is a link that says "Most:" Click on it. There are all kinds of "Most pages." It is incredible. Like some kind of an excavation. There are so many posts on the DP, a tool like that is necessary.

But I find it ironic. Compare and contrast the top most rated thread, and the bottom most rated thread. I find it both humorous and ironic.

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Update 3:

This is the one:

Submitted by SteveMT on Sun, 01/13/2013 - 01:03. Permalink

http://www.dailypaul.com/238449/rand-paul-endorses-mitt-romney

-1,148 votes.

There is no way to avoid group think when something like this happens. These votes accumulated day after day, and I would venture to say that no one changed their votes once they formed an opinion. Either you liked or you did not. If you took a poll of this same endorsement today, you might even get the same result as last June.



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deacon's picture

so you say

you spy on the ones here?
d

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Michael Nystrom's picture

It is public data

Is that "spying?"

Computers change a lot. The digitizing of everything, as well as the computing power to search and categorize it is nothing short of revolutionary.

You want to talk about a revolution? We're living through one. E v e r y t h i n g is up in the air right now. The economy, the politics, the division in the country, the rise of the police state. Its like a powder keg, getting ready to blow.

He's the man.
deacon's picture

yes i do

i want to talk about a revolution
but i have a question or some
why would this site care about the emotions of said
people?
why do you care?
a vote up or down is not an emotional experience
but more of a personal one
so why does the DP care to fit in? you haven't so far
and this is the reason why people come here...and stay
do i know how to read what i have,with what you have stated?
let me state,i see the graph,do i get it? nope
am i worried now? you betcha
do i need to grasp what your tech talk/speak about?
i do now
should i trust you and this site? i did,but not now!!
why would this be? read above
D

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Hmm:

I hadn't thought about that. My mind doesn't work that way. If I vote on something, it is usually because I have thought it over and find it of value to me and think it may have value to others. But not usually an emotional click.
Though, I suppose there are a few I have gone one way or the other on because of an emotional click. If I don't like something, many times I will just gloss over it, or ignore it completely. Example: After just so many Piers Morgan posts, I just skip over anything with his name in it. Can't stand him.
Interesting thought though. I suppose now I will pay closer attention.

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I love my country
I am appalled by my government

Michael Nystrom's picture

I've been skipping over a lot of the Sandy Hook stuff

I don't know what to make of it, but I think there is s I'm approaching Chapel Perilous (once again). Some of the most unbelievable things have turned out to be true, so who knows how far that damn rabbit hole goes?

Is this whole thing like the Truman show?

BTW, if you're glossing over the Piers stuff, you might have missed this:

Ben Shapiro Pwns Piers
http://www.dailypaul.com/269623/piers-owned-again-by-ben-sha...

It has gotten a lot of upvotes (even though people say he's a neocon) because he kicks Piers's butt in a way I that I think a lot of people wish Alex Jones did. Cool, calm, rational.

At one point he accuses Piers of standing on the graves of the children of Sandy Hook and pontificating. He actually said that, "Standing on the graves of those children."

And Morgan said, "How dare you accuse me of that."

Shapiro: "Well, its true."

Morgan: "How dare you accuse me of that. How dare you."

Shapiro: "Well, you can keep saying that, but its true."

That is one post I had in mind when I was talking about emotion. People liked it because he beat up on Piers. But Shapiro also conceded a lot of ground about how intrusive the gov't sh/could be.

BTW, do you know the answer to the pop quiz?

He's the man.

I had not seen it:

But now that I have, (thank you) I think that was quite an interesting show.
Calm, for the most part, and Ben laid it out there in a manner that not only was easy for others to watch, but may even make people that watch regularly think back to the Jones rant and say hmmm, now I see what he was getting at.
Much less emotional than Jones.
It's not easy watching that pompous ass.

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I love my country
I am appalled by my government

I certainly enjoyed that video.

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Michael Nystrom's picture

I did too.

But don't you think Ben ceded a lot of ground? He inched towards the center, towards more restrictions.

He's the man.

I can't say I know much about old Ben.

I didn't like that he was willing to negotiate on reasonable restrictions.

That was never defined and left the impression that some gun control is reasonable. It is not.

If I want to control my gun better I just use two hands. If that is what Ben was referring to then ok.

But no one else is going to be controlling my guns or where I decide to put the bullets. That is up to me.

"shall not be infringed" means what it says to me.

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Michael Nystrom's picture

Joη what do you think?

Arbitrary measures of emotion?

Or something more?

Is emotion arbitrary?

Will computers ever be able to simulate emotion?

Or perhaps, better phrased,

Will computers ever be able to achieve emotion?

(And if so, then what!?)

He's the man.
Joη's picture

models will be improved upon

I mean, publicly at least, people in relevant fields still disagree over "what consciousness is". I doubt it matters.

If we understand the mechanisms that gave rise to life on Earth, (even the series of coincidences for humanity), they can be simulated, understood, and replicated in any arbitrary medium. So yes, emotions as accurate to man's will be achieved by machines.

Given man's track record, however, when that happens, it's likely they will not have agreed upon the definitions, or will move the goalposts to exclude conscious/emotion-having/living robots. Those who don't care about definitions won't care.

So, more simply, we can't meaningfully communicate with non-humans. Whenever and whatever that happens with, a majority will attach to as conscious, be they human-imitations or organisms whose language barrier we've broken down and found to be as conversational as us.

Once robots design the robots, ...*shrugs*

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As for these votey numbers, "agreement" is a positive emotion, "disagreement" is negative, so sure. It could also stand some changes.

I...hey, wait! Did you just asked me that to put up a philosophical crumple zone I'd crash into so it'd leave others more time to guess the answer to the OP before me?! *shakes fist*

"You underestimate the character of man." | "So be off now, and set about it." | Up for a game?

Sorry for the dislike

I really don't care for the voting system. I think it's used mostly as a censorship tool. We +1 posts at a passing glance, but we -1 posts that we don't want to see.

Edit: Oops, reply in the wrong thread. Sorry!

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

Michael Nystrom's picture

BTW - This is not a rhetorical question

Anyone can find this information out. There is data for lots of "Most" pages on the Daily Paul, that Joη programmed.

Go snoop around on that blue bar up there. Joη built that. There is a link that says "Most:" Click on it. There are all kinds of "Most pages." It is incredible. Like some kind of an excavation. There are so many posts on the DP, a tool like that is necessary.

But I find it ironic. Compare and contrast the top most rated thread, and the bottom most rated thread. I find it both humorous and ironic.

He's the man.
Joη's picture

la la la la never mind me

(spoilers, highlight to reveal)

    Most downvoted content:
    Most downvoted post: that's publicly available on the Top page, reversing the sort & using the Ever timeframe:

    http://www.dailypaul.com/top/ever?order=value&sort=asc

    Most downvoted comments ever aren't publicly visible, (only day/week/month) but as of today are (click to expand):

    • 2425051: -76: Ben Swann is nobody local
    • 2411534: -54: Wow!
    • 2596856: -47: 3 different words
    • 2575871: -44: Delegates don't elect the
    • 2440124: -43: NO ONE at Ron Paul's
    • 2761170: -40: You were torn
    • 2484330: -38: Note the key word in this
    • 2487274: -36: love benn swann
    • 2455196: -35: RE: Free Online Reputation Management for Ron Paul Delegates
    • 2168425: -35: Whatever

    Content organized by other numerical extremes shown here.

    Maybe I should rename Most Tangential to "Most In-Depth", people really like to argue on-topic here.

    (oops, people were supposed to guess...well, Word to the Wise Who Scroll to the Bottom of Forums)

"You underestimate the character of man." | "So be off now, and set about it." | Up for a game?

jrd3820's picture

Haha

Yeah, I advise people to not even look at the vote thing because it really is not that significant. Anyways, I would love to know what the most down voted post in DP history is, but I have not been here long enough to even wager a guess so I will wait patiently and let others guess first.

“I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
― Dr. Seuss

Its got to be something by or about

Jesse Benton!

jrd3820's picture

See,

I was thinking it would be one of those "Is Alex Jones (or whoever fill in the blank) hurting us?" types of threads, but your right Benton is not a popular person around here. You have changed my mind sir.

“I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
― Dr. Seuss

I have no idea what the most

I have no idea what the most negatively voted post has been, but in my time here I remember a post with over negative 100; that seems like and awful lot to me. Unfortunately I don't remember what the post was or its title; I just remember it had a very large negative number associated with it.

I don't think it is always just represented of emotions, however, I know there are quite a few which are definitely emotionally driven.