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The Real Truth Will Stand Up To Any Question

Just a blank statement fact IMO. Do you agree?

Why are people attacked by some for asking questions?

Why are some people unwilling to ask questions?

Why are some people exempt from questions?

Why would anyone down-vote this particular post and what is their motivation for doing so? If you do... I would appreciate a comment as to why so that we can better comprehend each others' intent and begin a dialog which could lead to peace and prosperity for both of us.

I have a lot of questions. I would appreciate some answers.

I just want the truth. I can handle it. Can you?

It is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren, till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and provide for it. ~ Patrick Henry



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I'm Sure I've Done It

before in my life: been afraid to ask a question or hear an answer.

BUT I CAN'T THINK OF ANY CASES RIGHT NOW!!!!

This is a big problem people have. I can't explain it. It's sort of a social phenomenon. MOST people place tremendous weight on how they are regarded by others. People MORTALLY FEAR the possible negative approval of others. I've found that this is one of the last transitions into adulthood: full brown nose. All that be yourself crap for kids is crap. College socially and career professionally are all about STFU or the bullies WILL beat you up and there is NO teacher anymore.

Liberty lovers tend to be independent minded, so I think we are more immune to fear of truth. And this really does, on occasion, make us something of an 'elect' group.

Because man, people are ridiculous with the la-la-la can't hear you crap. It's truly unsettling.

It's like f**ing pod people.

I can explain it in one word.

"Brainwashing"

Great comment. Thanks for being brave enough to post it.

From my experience...

the only people that don't like questions are those that are scared to answer or those that are scared to admit that they have no answer.

Joη's picture

If so, why do paper sovereigns hide from the IRS?

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"You underestimate the character of man." | "So be off now, and set about it." | Up for a game?

IMHO, because they the fear consequences of the short term...

that would ensue while waiting for the truth to pan out.

Given enough time, the truth will always prevail. It prevails more quickly when people become unafraid of the consequences. It's the compliance of the People out of fear that keeps unjust machines in operating condition.

There is no need for anyone to "hide" from the IRS.

First of all you can reference the definitions in the comment below... then simply pen a letter to the IRS asking them if they accept the definitions. Since silence is acquiescence, a counter-claim (MAY not work if you are a defendant - hear why) in any court based on the IRS's agreed upon definitions of the words proves that you do not make any income and is sufficient for summary judgement in favor of the counter-plaintiff.

The reason I said "MAY not" is because as a defendant you can only defend against the charge. The charge is based on the presumption that you make income. IMO you should "flip the tables on the bankers" by first making yourself a counter-plaintiff and "complaining" of "misrepresentation" of the facts.

Also for informational purposes 26 USC 7806 is a very good read... and usually stops the IRS dead in their tracks if you know what it says. :) Pay special attention to "before it's enactment into law" - never says it actually IS law.

I believe you are making assumptions.

The question cannot be answered without accepting your assumptions.

I do not accept your assumptions.

So basically I see at least three assumptions made in that comment and my presumption is you asked the question in that form so that people would accept your assumptions.

1) There is a such thing as "paper sovereigns"
2) Personal sovereignty only exists on paper therefore is a fiction.
3) These people who believe in sovereignty hide from the IRS.

Do I have your assumptions correct?

Typical dis-information tactic isn't it? With one question you just placed three - IMO - untrue statements of fact into the unsuspecting mind.

Joη's picture

believe as you will, an IRS audit will validate either:

  1. you owe them money
  2. you haven't value

"You underestimate the character of man." | "So be off now, and set about it." | Up for a game?

Thanks for the distraction of the topic.

However let me address a key misconception about the IRS.

Most people think they make "income."

Income. The return in money from one's business, labor, or capital invested; gains, profits, salary, wages, etc.

Money. In usual and ordinary acceptation it means coins and paper currency used as circulating medium of exchange, and does not embrace notes, bonds, evidences of debt, or other personal or real estate. Lane v. Railey, 280 Ky. 3 1 9, 133 S.W.2d 74, 79, 8 1 . See also Currency; Current money; Flat money; Legal tender; Near money; Scrip; Wampum.

Can you please for the sake of clear communication tell me if you accept these definitions? Both are out of Black's Law 5th edition.

Can you please also tell me if a FED Note is money?

Joη's picture

validate that with those enforcing it

truth will prevail, after all.

"You underestimate the character of man." | "So be off now, and set about it." | Up for a game?

I encourage folks to look up the technique of

"debt validation" - There's also a great talkshoe where people are having many victories and actually making BAR members head for the hills.

http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=5...

The website they discuss on there is $49/mo - while I don't have that kinda "money" lying around I think it's a great deal for the information that is provided in condensed form for those who do not want to do the years of research I have done.

I feel I can confidently endorse Jesse's site and well worth the investment when considering the alternative - flying blind and researching on your own.

Joη's picture

group refers to site registered in Panama with a FL UPS PO box

Nothing unusual about that, nope.

http://whois.domaintools.com/whatliesinyourdebt.com
http://whatliesinyourdebt.com/contact.html
Liberty Marketing, LLC
7025 CR46A
Ste 1071-153
Lake Mary, FL 32746

cf:
http://www.theupsstorelocal.com/4118

Also note they're affiliate spamvertising on sites where people complain about debt collector phone calls:
https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3A800notes.com+WHATLIES...

"You underestimate the character of man." | "So be off now, and set about it." | Up for a game?

Man you are going out of your way.

Do you work for the IRS? lol Obviously a site like that would get pulled down by the BARFLIES as quickly as possible because it's revealing the SCAM. Registering in Panama was a good call IMO. There's obviously better protections against DHS's unilateral yanking of domain names there.

Debt validation works. You do not need to pay to get the information. There's over 100 audios on that talkshoe that are put up for free. The information is freely available. The site is for people who think it's valuable to cut to the chase instead of doing all that research on their own.