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I believe the strength of the Liberty movement is in Christ

Highly recommend this incredible series:

http://youtu.be/mpLtwILsW3E

Would sure love some more of you guys to wake up to the fact that what is happening in this world is a spiritual war between God and Satan.

The Liberty movement will only prevail when it is backed by Christ, who is in fact its author. Without Christ libertarianism is vague and weak, witness the performance of Gary Johnson's God-free campaign.

With Christ, we cannot fail.



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Who Believes as Dr. Paul does?

Many people agree with Dr. Paul when it props up their personal beliefs, but how many of us actually believe as he does. Dr. paul is a Christian who believes in the divinity of Jesus Christ.

Daniel Fortune

I know not course others may take, but as for me, give me Liberty, or give me Death! ~Patrick Henry
www.4libertysake.com

Christians for Paul

Ron Paul is a shining example of a Christian, putting many of us to shame, who call ourselves Christians. The sad thing is that so many so called Christians don't get it, they don't get the gospel of peace, and they don't get Ron Paul. Oh well, sad for them, The Pharisees did not want Christ around , mocked Him, and had him killed. This is the power that Good is up against. Do we need Christ to win our fight for Liberty in this country, you bet we do. The powers that rule this world, like the Red Coats on Lexington Green, are too great in number and power.

sydney walsh

What does Dr. Paul believe about Christ???

Many people agree with Dr. Paul when it props up their personal beliefs, but how many of us actually believe as he does. Dr. paul is a Christian who believes in the divinity of Jesus Christ.

Daniel Fortune

I know not course others may take, but as for me, give me Liberty, or give me Death! ~Patrick Henry
www.4libertysake.com

He defends LIFE, at ALL stages

Ron Paul is not ashamed to be pro-life, and he is oft' mis understood in that, by Christians, because he also presents his pro life position in light of the Constitution and Rule of Law. He is not a sovereign king or dictator, he would leave the powers to the states in this matter, which would be a hundred fold better than allowing Row v Wade to continue by judicial fiat. He knows that without a strong moral foundation with respect to life, then life becomes a cheap commodity to dispose of, like we see today in abortion on demand, and undeclared wars of aggression. All of this blood shed will be accounted for one Great Day.

sydney walsh

If you like this post... you have to like my post

As an ambassador for Christ, I stand here to oppose idolatry; even if it is aimed at Dr. Paul. I do not do this to make much of myself, but to make much of Christ.

I shared a quote by Jon Edwards. He said that those who idolize demonize. I think far too many people demonize others because they are not Ron Paul. This doesn't prove we are politically enlightened... it just proves we are fallen.

This means we need the grace of God through Christ.

Daniel Fortune

I know not course others may take, but as for me, give me Liberty, or give me Death! ~Patrick Henry
www.4libertysake.com

Oh good grief...

again with the religious hocus-pocus....This is really simple: Those in government or positions of power are there because of a personality-type, they are wired for aggression and success at any cost. Those folks are usually without conscience or morals. So, logically, we "normal people" don't much like those at the top of the ladder...they're a-holes. Jesus or Muhammed or whomever has nothing to do with any of this!!! These people are mearly power-hungary, money-grabbing d*ck-heads that need to be strung-up in the nearest hardwood tree.

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BC
Silence isn't always golden....sometimes it's yellow.

"The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." - Patrick Henry

We are the second coming of Christ

Those of us who are walking the path of righteousness. The bible speaks in parables. It is not to be taken literally. Jesus himself tells you he speaks in parables - literally.

From Mathew:

{13:10} And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? {13:11} He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

The point is if you are taking things at face value you are not seeing the TRUTH. Thanks for posting this :)

In order to re-center myself from a hard fought day in the info-war I like to listen to Bill Donahue who is all about reading from the Bible and not getting you to join some specific re legion [intentional space].

Re Legion = division
Legion = unity, which is the greatest fear of the PTB... that we might at some point start squabbling with each other and turn our attention to the true ROOT cause of our suffering on this planet.

Notice how hard Satan battles against freedom of thought and freedom of speech.

Buddha smiles

:)

If you believe in Christ, then you have to believe that he....

will only return once the world has fallen under Satan's control. You have to believe in the anti-Christ.

Therefore, liberty can't prevail, otherwise, Jesus will not return.

What would you rather have, liberty or the second-coming of Christ?

What did I say that isn't correct?

If you want to down vote my observation, you have a conflict with your religion and ideas of liberty but you can't deny the truth.

P.S. Liberty vs. 2nd coming of Christ

These are not mutually exclusive propositions. In fact, mortal man can never know or experience the fullness of true liberty no matter how "good" man may work to make it down here.

"Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God." Romans 8:21

And that doesn't happen until the return of Jesus.

I am for peace: but when I speak, they are for war. Ps 120:7
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Better to be divided by truth than united in error.
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"I am the door." -Jesus Christ

Nice try, but.

At no point does that mean we are to succumb, give in or aid evil in order to speed the coming of Christ. In fact, what you suggest are the very words of Satan the deceiver.

But nice try! LOL Away with thee! Back to where you come from.

No nice try....

I was merely making the observation of the Christian belief that all liberty will be lost before Jesus will return.

You seem to not like that idea because it causes a conflict, so you choose to belittle the messenger that points it out.

Not very Christian.

Satan (which only means evil) rules almost completely

right now. We are the second coming. Liberty is a by-product of that awakening.

I follow you. Christians believe antichrist will be revealed

but in the meantime, who is to say we can't have an amazing century or two or three of liberty?

No man knows the day or the hour. "Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven." "Peace on earth, good will toward men."

Who knows if the Lord will graciously allow us all to experience massive liberty once more in the earth and maybe not take it so for granted, knowing(Christians that is) the end of the story.

In response to the OP, "Where the Spirit of the LORD is, there is liberty!"

I am for peace: but when I speak, they are for war. Ps 120:7
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Better to be divided by truth than united in error.
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"I am the door." -Jesus Christ

Amen

It is important to understand the end game but we are called to live as examples of Christ through it and not to cower and hide.

Let your light shine always and work hard always.

"The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle."

Woe unto the inhabiters of the earth

The entire world has gone to hell and the evidence is everywhere.

We who know Jesus Christ as Lord and Master of everytbing, do not look for a renewing of things here on earth but we look to that new heaven and new earth that is soon, and very soon to come.

Keep the faith brothers and sisters in Christ and keep in prayer one for another.

He that is to come shall come and will not tarry.
Our endless joy is secured in Him!

Peace

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

Why do you want to limit God?

I commend your deep faith as you see it, but am alarmed by your dismassal of those who have faiths different than you who are just as eager to live in peace, harmony and liberty backed by moral principles.
Why do you condemn non-Christians and oust them from anything? That smacks of pride and you need to have a long sit-down with yourself to unearth what it is in you that judges so harshly. You have no right to judge anyone. You assume to know God's plans when you banish people who don't believe as you do to some kind of hell - which is what you are doing. Shame on you. But mostly shame on you for lacking any understanding of the omnipotence and omniscience Creator of all things. You assume knowledge you don't have. Everything is God's Will, but you do not have enough faith to understand that. Let His plan unfold as He directs it to be and work on your own personal relationship with your Savior. There's no harm in sharing your experience in that respect, but please do not judge others' points of view or faith. The real battle is within your own soul anyway.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

God vs Satan?

Good, live, light is the sun between March 21st and September 21st. Bad, evil and darkness is the sun after September 21st until March 21st.

That simple never ending cycle on earth explains little red riding hood, humpty dumpty and even corporate churchanity lies.

There is wonderful truth in the scriptures but it is about your physical body and how to save yourself. Vicarious salvation makes people very rich. Stop paying them.

The strength of the Liberty

The strength of the Liberty movement comes from human reason and the rejection of centralized collectivist authoritarian power.

The strength of ologarchal collectivism comes from people who are trained from birth to believe in absolute nonsensical fairy tales that are about as plausable as tooth fairies and easter bunnys, submit to absolute authority willingly, and view everyone outside their particular form of religeon as "differant and lesser (i.e. we got to heaven, you go to hell).

Enjoy believing in your religeon and take from it whatever strength you can draw from it. You can imagine that Zues and the Titans are dukeing it out for control of the universe if that's what floats your boat. I hope it helps you to be the best you can be. However, this movment does not need your particular supersticions and does not benifit in any way from somehow accepting that cartoonish super heros and villians are in some sort of supernatural spell battle. This fight we win or loose on our own.

ORY?

Maybe it does need my "supersticions"? The superer the sticions the better I always say.

You don't need a "religeon" to think in terms of different and lesser. Do you think totalitarianism is different or lesser than freedom? I have always found that truth is better than non-truth.

Yes, but I don't have a diety

Yes, but I don't have a diety who is going to throw the people I disagree with into an eternal torture camp. We're fighting a political war by trying to appeal to the reason of collectivists and help them to see that liberty is the better way. The consequences of failing to agree with us are nothing we are going to foister on them, so its not coersion. They will be the simple cause and effect of what happens when collectivism wins. Orwellion nightmare.

Im not sure how believing in impossible things is going to help us win if victory depends on reason. However, you do it your way, ill do it mine.

I agree

with you. I also don't believe in a deity that throws "people I disagree with into an eternal torture camp".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vggzqXzEvZ0

If you asked Ron Paul, I'm sure you would find that his faith was very important in difining liberty for him and his movement. "I am a Christian and I believe in it, and I am influenced by my upbringing and my understanding and my biblical understanding".- Ron Paul

George W. Bush was a Christian too.

According to him, his faith influenced him to invade the countries of evil-doers.

Correct, his religion of worshipping the adversary, but...

...trying to convince Christians that their God and his god were the same.

That's why they call Satan the Great Deceiver and the Prince of Iniquity.

His greatest accomplishment was to convince people he does not exist.

But this is exactly what

But this is exactly what happens when you base your life around "faith" instead of fact.

Its a race to the bottom, and there will always be George Bushes out there to bring in the idiots by appealing to their faith.

Religeon is a contest between who is the better fear-monger and salesmen. It is a product that is sold only by the aptitude of the salesman and not by the "reason" of the customer.

Elites love religeon because so very very few religeous people have the "reason" neccessary to avoid their trap and be led into "holy crusade" against the enemies of god. They follow their Neocon masters whole heartedly as their drones rip children apart.

I had a guy at my house who believed the war in the middle east was God's will. When I asked about the innocent children, he interupted me and said: "They aren't innocent."

Fucking religeon. THIS is what religeon produces. Those of you who are exceptions to this don't make up for it. Too much evil, and not NEARLY enough good come from this twisted collectivist cult.

Thats great. I don't really

Thats great. I don't really care what Ron Paul or anyone else chooses to worship. To me its insanity, but to each his own. So long as "politically" they are fighting for liberty.

I think there is an absolute hypocracy between someone who is politically liberatarian but also believes in Hell, but thats my only real gripe. All the "non-hell" believing Christians, or at least the ones who think that hell "does not" involve torture are fine in my book.

Why?

Why is this not on the front page when that silly pantheist video was on there two days ago?

http://www.dailypaul.com/269677/new-video-it-all-goes-togeth...

Christianity at least has a metaphysical system that makes "liberty" possible.

Yes I can really see how a

Yes I can really see how a system which involves an all powerful super-king who puts all his serfs under a total servailance state (up to and including reading your inner thoughts), and who banishes anyone who he designed not to agree with him to his torture camps for the rest of time would be the basis of the non-agression principals based on voluntary choice and individualist based laws and rights without a centralized authority.

Similarities are staggering.

For the record... the reason this should not be on the front page is because there are a whole lot of athiests who don't appreciate the faithful trying to give their silly religeon all the credit for every advance we make in human reason. Esspecially when we know that "faith" based thinking that brainwashes people into accepting utter nonsense on blind faith, and bowing to authority is one of the "chief" reasons collectivism won't die out.

Im not against you being religeous in any way... and I don't mind you posting these worship sermons whenever you like... but you are opening a can of worms when you present your fables to debait by slapping them on the front page.

How would you like it if I kept making posts like "The strength of the liberty movment is in Athiesm," then went on about how everyone should accept that gods are idiotic creations of ologarchs who want to control mindless peasants and turn reasoning humans into witless slaves who never question anything.

The Post Misunderstands Liberty. Totally.

The movement is about everyone's right to believe as they choose. This is the definition of liberty. To say that this is a battle between God and Satan is a means to establish beliefs. This post couldn't be further from the point of Ron Paul, the founders, or America. It is absurd to have a religious dogma associated with a cause to free all people from tyranny. That only results in a tyranny of a religion. If you can't accept that people should have the freedom to choose their thoughts and/or their spirituality, then you haven't a clue as to the meaning of liberty. Please keep your religious dogma to yourself as you should respect everyone's right to their beliefs. We are not fighting for Christians, or the Bible, or your beliefs, we are fighting for the natural rights of all people.