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Anyone in favor of either open borders or a dramatically liberalized immigration policy, please up-vote this forum post.

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I downvoted, but, this issue is a lot more complicated

than just having "open borders" or "closed borders."

I'm all for immigrants coming and sweeping my front porch and shining my stinky shoes for three bucks an hour. Hey, I'll never find an American to do that for those kind of wages, but, we've got that pesky thing called a minimum wage. Then, there's the Voting Rights Act which gives the federal government the power to punish areas of states and sometimes whole states that happened to have had less than 50% of its minority population registered to vote before 1965. It's come so far that you've got the Attorney General suggesting we get the UN to supervise American elections and objecting to states photo id-ing voters to make sure they're actually Americans.

The point is that there are a lot of other collateral things to consider when discussing immigration policies in the U.S.

"The truth is that neither British nor American imperialism was or is idealistic. It has always been driven by economic or strategic interests." - Charlie Reese


Well, ideally we would return to the pre-Progressive Era immigration system where the states would only document them for statistical and law enforcement purposes. I'd rather none of the levels of government bar people entry. Besides, legal immigrants pay for a lot of services they don't get. For instance, they pay into Social Security and Medicare, but cannot receive any unless they become citizens. More immigrants would help us fight off the coming fiscal collapse when entitlements explode. I think that someone wanting a couple other reforms first to offset possible problems it might cause might be fair.

This article articulates other things about immigration nicely.

US borders are nearly wide open

Open immigration is about as dumb as voting for Mitt Romney or Obama.

Mexico, Canada and other countries do not have our Constitution, open borders means the end of the Constitution.

Violate the Constitution save the Constitution?

How does violating the Constitution save the Constitution? That's like Bush's ending of capitalism to save capitalism. Article 1 Section 8 does not grant the federal government the power to restrict or regulate immigration. It only gives it power over the process of naturalization (becoming an American citizen).

You're right.

If you read behind Jefferson in his response to Adams' Sedition Act, he clearly understood a proper immigration policy to be one in which each state decided who could and could not live within its borders. There's several problems with that though. It was a LOT different back then. There were only about three million people here. If a group of foreigners lived in SC that NC didn't want, it would be nigh impossible for those foreigners to get lost in NC. The only way we could go back to something like that would be for each state to have its own border patrol - a nightmare.

"The truth is that neither British nor American imperialism was or is idealistic. It has always been driven by economic or strategic interests." - Charlie Reese

We have closed borders now?

What is this the twilight zone?

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Severe Restrictions

We restrict immigration enough for there to be such a massive black market in immigration that there's over 10 million undocumented immigrants. I consider that fairly closed.


those "undocumented immigrants" are almost never deported, even after committing a felony.

The US is one of the few places in the west where illegally being in the country isn't considered a big deal. I'd say we're pretty 'open' compared to most other developed nations.

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Law, not enforcement

I'm asking about the law, not enforcement.