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Idolators Can Kiss My Libertarian Ass

The great American theologian Jon Edwards said that those who idolize demonize.

Unfortunately, anyone who would expose anyones idolatry isn't popular. Many people on this forum's idolatry resides in the fact that they idolize Dr. Paul.

I understand. He is by far the most liberty conscious representative to stand up for us in decades, but this doesn't mean that we have to idolize him and demonize everyone else. Glen Beck is by far no Ron Paul, but this doesn't mean that he is a cancer to the "movement."

Glen Beck is someone who like many of us has come to understand liberty over time. While he has not always been a strict ambassador of liberty, he is learning more and more like we are.

I would encourage everyone to stop making Dr. Paul out to be God, it is counter productive. When we idolize him, it is natural for us to demonize everyone that isn't him, but that doesn't mean we are right; it just proves that we are fallen.

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Glenn Beck

Glenn Beck is the problem. Not the solution.


since you are demonizing RP supporters, does that mean you have some idolatry lurking around in your heart somewhere?

And also, would jesus say "kiss my ass"? :)

~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

Could I offer a little advice?

When trying to make a Christian case for idolatry, it would be much appreciated if you would be a little more respectful with your title. It closes people off to anything good you might say and gives the rest of us Christians a bad name. I admit, none of us are perfect and our emotions can get the better of us sometimes, so I hope you don't take offence to my request.

In a broad sense, itdolatry can be many different things, not just hero worship. (Sports, political leaders, religious leaders, or even things that takes preeminence in our lives over God) People do sometimes idolize Dr. Paul and believe everything he says without thinking it through for themselves(as he advises), but it's hyperbole to say that they make him out to be God.

Regarding Glenn Beck, we at the Daily Paul have long memories. I have no problem with people coming to understand liberty over time. What I do have a problem with is them, at each stage, trying to fashion themselves as the leader of the liberty movement instead of having the humility to take a back seat and learn. Beck sabotaged the Debra Medina campaign and neutralized the enormous effort of many in the liberty movement. This was at a time when he was supposedly awake. Those of us who watched the whole episode unfold, can only conclude that it was intentional.

Btw, I did not downvote you.

Wait so we cant set a

Wait so we cant set a standard... the standard of Ron Paul... this guy wants us to be slaves for life

lets clear the air...Glen

lets clear the air...Glen Beck is cancer to the movement

A wannabe cancer...

Luckily we're not that stupid... :)

~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

more of a symptom than a

more of a symptom than a cancer.


a wandering parasite seeking a new host. :)

~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

50 million dollar PAY-triot

Is just one of the things that Beck is. In his own words, he is not a journalist but a common tater.

Beck admits...

and seems to be proud of that he is a "clown". He did an entire portion of an interview about how he is just a clown. The interview where he had pictures taken of him fake crying...

~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

a few points

1) Yes, some *do* deify Dr. Paul, but it feels like that has died down a bit since the spring/summer, from my POV anyway. People seem much more grounded now, in that respect...

2) ...although, AJ/Rand Paul worship now seems to be replacing RP worship. I'm getting tired of the "you're with us or you're against us" attitude so many people here seem to have when it comes to them two as of late. Why do people feel the need to get so emotional when they're defending people they don't even know?

3) Screw Glenn Beck. Wolf in sheep's clothing if I ever saw one. AJ may induce an eyeroll from me every so often, but at least he never likened Ron Paul supporters to "domestic terrorists".

A signature used to be here!

Glenn Beck...

is a liar.

And enthusiastically supporting someone for their honesty, standing on principles despite ridicule and scorn, and promoting the concepts of less war and less govt theft is in no way "idolatry".

There are a few who are obsessed with Ron Paul but they are the exception and not the rule...

~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

Confessions of an Idolater

I pray to Doctor Ronald Paul four times a day.

I have a kneeling mat and always pray in the direction of the 14th congressional district of Texas.

Every Sunday I read a chapter from "End the Fed" and sing "Dr. No" by Payday Monsanto before reciting the 50 essential issues that affect our freedom.

I witness to others the virtues of the the teachings of the good doctor whenever I can and frequently go door to door handing out copies of "A Foreign Policy of Freedom."

I have abstained from nestle products for so long that I too have forgotten how to pronounce it.

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There have been a lot of kiss my ass threads lately

That being said. Yes, we idolize Ron Paul here. He set the bar high.

Other than that. I am not worried if Glenn Beck calls himself a libertarian. I call myself a libertarian, I am sure some would disagree. Not my problem.

I call myself a

I call myself a Constitutional patriot. My loyalty is to the Constitution first. I discovered Paul years into my American Party experience. I like what he saw but he is not my idol. I have Libertarian leanings. I love liberty. I believe in maximum personal liberty with maximum personal responsibility. I also have no patience for the intolerant. You can say I am intolerant of intolerance. Everyone has the right to be wrong. What they don't have a right to do is impose their ideology onto ANYONE else.

there's.always a chew on the meat and spit out the....

...bones(AGENDA bones) with all these guys that speak our speak, yet rise to national fame...

The good majority on here encourage us to do our own research when we hear things, and....well...not be."lemmings" to ANY leader/personality.....

This is what we do best HERE.....all views are valid, knowledge is greater; cheerleading is emotional and dumb....tensions are.HIGH because of last week's developments and "exposure" of us through this faux gun control debate that has been manufactured to bait us....

They're worried about 2014 I think, they really can't just "collapse" everything .... They can keep pulling the rug out from under us, and tightening the screws....so...we best be WISE to hold our ground, and keep making plans to make gains...we can't lose our cool, or, let others fight our battles for us on a national platform of trash-tv media wars....

This is....about PRINCIPLE....and how we react is under.the.microscope.

Don't be a sucker

Beck is the one who demonized Ron Paul and all of us, his supporters. When his first attempts to undermine the RP campaign failed, he pretended to be our friend. Then he stabbed us in the back. Then he pretended to be our friend again. Then he stabbed us in the back again. Glen Beck loves liberty so much, he said we were all terrorists and that we should be arrested. He isn't learning more and more like we are, he's the same two faced clown in sheep costume he always was. Furthermore, it's real frickin' obvious that's what he is. How many times does one have to be betrayed before reality finally takes hold???

Interesting thought provoking thread....

My first reaction was to down vote this and I was thinking you were just a Glenn beck shill but then I thought about it and I dont want to defend Glenn beck yet but at least I want to say its a good thought provoking view point.

Ron Paul 2012

Hasn't it been known & proven...

...that for a couple of years now he "steals" info from Alex Jones and just puts a little dab of "poop" in it to mislead others?

If this is our Rationale... we are in trouble...

You can do better than that... for the sake of Ron Paul and the liberty movement I hope you can do better than that.

Daniel Fortune

I know not course others may take, but as for me, give me Liberty, or give me Death! ~Patrick Henry

In case you didn't notice...

...my comment had a question mark at the end of it=). It wasn't a statement. Anyway, if it is true that he does steal info, false or true info, then he is a fake...no?
Regardless, everyone should test and judge those they listen to and respect. NO ONE is flawless. Ron Paul is thought of quite highly because over a long period of time he has proven himself, but he is the first one to tell you he has faults. And Glenn Beck may believe some of what he says and not be totally evil. But in many cases, when the palm is greased with 32 million in a job that he does, he is most likely directed by others.

I get your point about not

I get your point about not idolize Ron Paul, but why follow with Glenn Beck? Why not Napolitano, Rand, or even someone like Tyler Cowen or heck even Buchanan (although he's not my cup of tea)?

I literally love all the people you have stated

I don't marginalize those other liberty proponents by defending Glen Beck... I just use Glen Beck to point out the idolatry that exists in the liberty movement.

Daniel Fortune

I know not course others may take, but as for me, give me Liberty, or give me Death! ~Patrick Henry

Non Sequitur

Not liking Glenn Beck in no way equates to Idolizing Ron Paul.

I evaluate Glenn Beck the same way I evaluate Ron Paul.

I look for adherence to the Non Aggression Principle, Ron Paul passes the test, Glenn Beck does not.

Check out the Laissez-Faire Journal at LFJournal.com

"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

What are your standards???

Non-agression... as a former soldier I have a pretty strict position when it comes to non-agression. If someone is sharing their ideas about liberty, even though I don't agree with everything they say, I do not write them off as agressionists just because they dont line up with everything I say. I would encourage you to stop being so weak in what you believe to take offense to everything that everyone says that doesn't agree with your postiion.

Ron Paul has worked across the aisle with Dennis Kucinich... he wouldnt have been able to do so if he was as closed minded as you.

Daniel Fortune

I know not course others may take, but as for me, give me Liberty, or give me Death! ~Patrick Henry

On Fox morning show...

I think it was around 2008 or 2009, in response to a discussion about anti-war protesters, Beck said that many of them should be shot on the spot and then did this kind of demon cackle. It took back even the hosts of the Fox show and they got big-eyed, expressionless and silent for a moment before moving on.

Beck is a psychopath...

~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

Glenn Beck is for aggression.

He supports pre-emptive war, drug prohibition, taxation, and much more, thus he is not a libertarian, and any attempts by him to claim he is a libertarian rightly deserve the response "Glenn Beck can kiss my libertarian ass".

Furthermore, I can dislike Glenn Beck for any reason I damn well please, I don't need anyone's permission.

In my humble opinion, I think disliking him for being a statist and misrepresenting himself as a libertarian, is a damn good reason to dislike him.

Close minded? You know nothing about me, all you know of me is from a post in which I said I disliked Glenn Beck.

Disliking Glenn Beck is grounds for being close minded?

I can't have a personal preference that's different than yours without being "close minded"?

"I would encourage you to stop being so weak in what you believe to take offense to everything that everyone says that doesn't agree with your postiion. "

Hello Pot, have you met Kettle?

I'm not taking any offense in him disagreeing with me, I have a dislike for him because I feel what he is doing is morally wrong.

If my beliefs were weak, would I feel so strongly about them or so confident in them?

To the contrary, I very strongly believe in Non-Aggression, and because of it I feel very strongly about people who violate or support violation of it.

Check out the Laissez-Faire Journal at LFJournal.com

"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard