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If We're Not Free, Can We Have Some Full and Honest Disclosure?

http://www.dailypaul.com/270329/texas-nationalst-movement-s-...

That post inspired the following comment/post. Can we have a full and open debate?

If we're not REALLY free shouldn't we just take "free" out of the national anthem? Oh that's right... we can't do that. If you actually SAY people are not free then there will be a definite armed revolution TOMORROW... and I'm definitely not advocating for that.

As long as the flag doesn't change, everything's cool. Settle down people. You are free... as long as you get permission first for anything you want to do. You are free to travel, free to work, free to eat whatever you want, free to put whatever you want into your body, free to speak, free to bear arms, free to worship as you choose, free to self-govern, free to start your own business, free to use your private property as you choose, free to associate with others... we have so many freedoms.

Let's not forget most importantly, you are free to have anyone you want and trust to defend you in a court of law against your accusers... in case you get busted for not asking permission first before exercising one of your freedoms.

http://www.dailypaul.com/269892/our-justice-system-has-been-...

I wonder if the people in Hitler's Germany were "free?"

I wonder if the Chinese are "free?"

I wonder if the people in the USSR were "free?"

Kinda makes you wonder huh? Forgive me if I seem out of line here... and if it's okay to say this... it really seems... like... the only freedom we have is a definition of "freedom" in the dictionary.

When was the last time you looked the word "freedom?" That's probably a good place to start in order to really figure this out. Next we should probably look up the definition of "slavery." Does this all seem logical to anyone else?

(I sure hope they haven't changed the definitions yet).

Proposal: Feb 1st is "Freedom Day"

What if we were to get the word out to everyone in the freedom movement... now this isn't going to work without MASS COMMITMENT. Now please don't point any fingers at anyone else. What about you? Will you stand together with the free people? What if on that day we decided that from that day fourth we will NO LONGER ask permission for anything we want to do and just reverted back to common law on our own? What if we threw out ALL our "licenses" on that day and just did whatever we wanted to do because we are responsible adults?

What if we had 10 million people that simply "opted out" of all the tyranny all at the same time? What if we all stood up at once? I think the answer to that is the same as will YOU stand up with everyone else? Do you think our SERVANTS would FINALLY get the MESSAGE that WE have the RIGHT to be FREE in this country and that they are our SERVANTS... and WE ARE THE MASTERS?

...and how fast would the "government" shrink back to its originally intended constitutional size?

Look I'm not popular around here... so this message is copyright FREE - take the idea and make it yours. We can be FREE if we really want to and are all ready to stand up for each other in one coordinated effort. This is peaceful non-violent NEVER TAKE A PLEA independence. I think we can do it... if the right individuals in the movement were to take this message and run with it.



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Why post three threads about the same thing at the same time?

vince, you are turning ME off with your zealotry, and I agree with what you are trying to say.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

Which same thing?

Why use the word steal?

"Look I'm not popular around here... so please STEAL the idea and make it yours."

http://www.dailypaul.com/244168/july-4th-2013-liberty-day-ch...

Joe

Question:

If someone harms you that's one thing... but with respect to government... is there any GREY AREA whatsoever between FREEDOM and SLAVERY? I would REALLY appreciate your thoughts on this...

Libertarians live in that gray area.

People who believe government can be limited . . . that having a master isn't so bad as long as he's a nice master . . .

I think Larken Rose says it best:

"Government is a ruling class. It doesn’t matter how much rhetoric it’s hidden under and whether you say “it’s representative” or “our master is really our servant.” The shorthand version is: If there’s somebody who can boss you around and take your money, HE'S NOT YOUR SERVANT. If he CAN’T boss you around and take your money, he’s not “government.” And as soon as you have someone above you, as soon as you have a master, as soon as you have a ruling class, even if you have a Constitution that you can wave around and say “these are the things you’re supposed to do” – WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WHEN HE DOESN'T??

"As soon as you accept the premise of government and authority and a ruling class, the only thing keeping it "limited" is the conscience of the master. Like if you’re a slave, and you say, “I accept that I’m your slave, master, I belong to you, but please be nice to me.” Well, maybe he will and maybe he won’t -- but it's not up to YOU any more. And that’s the problem with “limited government”: As soon as it’s government, it’s the master."

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...

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Some of these posts I'm like YEAH this is the ONE!!! People are finally gonna coalesce and end this insanity right here and NOW!

Those are the ones that are the least popular. Go figure.

Let us keep on figuring. Let us study who is hording attentions.

Here is one person to blame: ANDREW CARNEGIE

    He talks forever and ever and untiringly of the attentions which have been shown him. Sometimes they have been large attentions, most frequently they are very small ones; but no matter, no attention comes amiss to him and he likes to revel in them. His friends are coming to observe with consternation that while he adds new attentions to his list every now and then, he never drops an old and shopworn one out of the catalogue to make room for one of these fresh ones. He keeps the whole list, keeps it complete; and you must take it all, along with the new additions, if there is time and you survive. - Mark Twain in Eruption

Perhaps, with proper search, we could find others.

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

Why Mr. Twain, you're makin' me erupt in laughter

at your talk about that Mr. Carnegie and his long-winded discourses!

I too, get wrapped around the axle and never let a thing go...as some of my posts and comments amount to pages and pages of writing.

I've only been on here 10 months and I would be fearful to know how many characters might be attributed to bear and her daily habit. I'm reminded of the Scripture (though that which I write is but superfluous in comparison):

John 21:25 KJV
And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

Thank you for the smile on this cold day in Missouri! We've snow and ice on the ground here.

I'd vote you up but my voter is broken :)

...and I was just going to say, "Hi, Mr. Twain!"

...

Thank ya kindly. So cold now, I don't dare stop laughing.

"Cold! If the thermometer had been an inch longer we'd all have frozen to death." - quoted in "Mark Twain and I," by Opie Read

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

Caught this MO News on the radio...

...the only audio news I get is while I am driving lol

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/elizabe... :

"Missouri House members had to re-take the oath of office today because of an error during the swearing in ceremony last week.

When lawmakers originally took the oath, as administered by state Supreme Court Chief Justice Rick Teitelman on Wednesday, they incorrectly pledged to support the 'government' rather than the 'Constitution'.”

Enjoying a walk every day is good for one's constitution.

Not sure about the government's effect on it.

Thank you for the Readers Digest version of this news. Twas a pleasant surprise.

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

Your Welcome

I find it amazing that they were led in a pledge to support the government...Freudian slip?

Try walk with the boy and the dog most everyday :)