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Sandy Hook Conspiracy - I Don't Get It

I understand we should question everything the government says because it lies more than half the time. That being said, jumping out and claiming that an entire classroom full of kid’s deaths were faked I don’t get.

Perhaps I am misunderstanding the conspiracy here and some of you can explain it.

I really don’t see the point. It’s not like this tragedy could not have happened and won’t happen again… Nut-jobs kill people. It’s what they do.

Is Obama and the anti-gun agenda people taking advantage of this… YES! But to tell people you think parents of dead kids are faking it will come across insane without evidence… and I mean smoking gun evidence.

Serious claims require serious evidence and so far I see nothing that can’t be explained away as errors in initial reporting in the fog of the event which happens EVERY TIME.

Again, maybe I don’t get the conspiracy but this just makes the movement look kooky. You can’t make what would seem to most people to be “Crazy claims” without the hard serious evidence.

Then again, maybe I missed it and you can enlighten me.




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Patrian...

It sounds like you may be reading about Sandy Hook "conspiracy theories" through the bogus MSM filter. They have gone on the offensive this week and they are deliberately trying to create the impression that everyone who is skeptical of Sandy Hook thinks that "it was all fake", it "never happened", and "no one really died".

This is an old tactic that they used with 9/11 skeptics too. They find the most extreme claim that a minority of people online are pushing and then attribute it to the entire "movement" to demonize and discredit "it". (Some of the shady anonymous characters pushing the stuff the media latches onto may well be planted there ala Cass Sunstein for the very purpose of discrediting all official story skeptics.)

In reality many elements of the story are contradictory and do not make sense. It is clear that there is a cover-up of some kind going on, and that evidence of a potential second or even third shooter has been suppressed. Even besides that evidence, there are others reasons to believe that Lanza having carried out the murders by himself and in the manner we've been told does not make sense. The are people out there who will take things to unwarranted extremes, but that does not make all skepticism invalid. We must look at this critically, especially after the Columbine cover-up. The fact that the media is employing these kinds of dishonest tactics to smear all official story skeptics further indicates that there is something to hide here.

Ben Swann: "It is truly, deeply saddening to me how the smear machine works. There are a number of articles that are attempting to blame me to those who are "terrorizing the families of Sandy Hook victims". The blame comes from a piece I did calling for surveillance video to be released from Colorado theater, and from Sandy Hook. BTW, a group of journalists and Colorado have called for the same thing.. are they being smeared? The lawyer for 7 families suing Cinemark is asking for that video to no avail... is he being smeared? The timing of these multiple articles that link me to those claiming no children actually died and that the families are all actors are intellectually dishonest. And yet the people sending emails to my employer seem to be part of a bigger attempt to discredit and smear, not on the basis of MY story but on the basis of a Headline." (source)

I think it is obvious what has happened here....

...Manti Te'o's girlfriend was really a CIA operative. She killed them kids in Newtown in order to push through Obama's gun control initiatives. Now the public is on to her, so they feed us this fake story that she never really existed. Classic CIA tactic, the old "use the fake girlfriend of the Heisman trophy runner-up to do the government's dirty work, then sweep her under the rug" gag.

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

Patrian , the answer to your

question can be found in psychology. Certain mental predisposition is observed from the childhood. Thus, about 20% of people in every society are "true religious" regardless of historical time or social structure they live under (fanatics of Marxism or National socialism were true believers.) The other 60% are just "followers" by nature (parrots.)

Longing for Utopia in the sky or Utopia on Earth is part of mental condition for those who cannot bear reality as it is. Reality causes anxiety that must be released. Seeing evil, looking for scapegoats, creating simplistic explanation or outright mental repression (denying reality) are all mental tools to release anxiety and are a COPING MECHANISM.

Conspiracy? Who knows..

I want to know who was found in the wooded area and arrested. There are news clips with a witness saying " The guy in the camo's was caught and is in the police car right over there”.

There is also raw dispatch audio were an officer clearly says he has two men spotted that are coming right towards him, and then shortly after say he has them “proned” on the ground. Who were these TWO men?

Why should I believe anything at face value from the state media?

Liberty = Responsibility

What about Adam's father.

Since this story broke, I've only read once about Adam's father and the investigation I did seems to bear it out.
Adam's father divorced from his wife and said to be giving her about $285,000 a year. He was a top financial analyst for GE Capital, and was set to testify in front of the Grand Jury regarding a LIBOR scandal - said to be the biggest financial contract rigging case by banks in the history of our planet.
Oh, and what a coincidence -- James Holmes' father was also a very wealthy top CEO with FICO Financial and Chairman or President of Ernst & Young, and he also was set to testify before the Grand Jury regarding the same financial contract rigging - LIBOR scandal.

I haven't given this too much investigation, but searched and found the story in more detail on a few websites. But no one talks about it. It was never mentioned during the Holmes story either, not even Alex Jones. Anyway, if this is not fuel for thought, nothing is.

There are so many "co-incidences" to this story, I see the possibility that nothing really happened except that a "pervert" in the name of Christopher Rodia was found nearby, and got a go ahead to use that to 1) create an attack on the 2nd Amendment using the nearby elementary school; 2) punish Adam Lanza's father to let him know you don't whistle blow against the Boss Banks who run our govt.

So, for all I know, no one was actually killed, or maybe only Adam and his mother to give credence to the story and make a strong point to papa Lanza. It's all conjecture, but one thing for sure: this must be a false flag operation based on the amount of misinformation and lack of evidence to the official story.

Only in a police state can this story be considered truth. Unfortunately we live in a police state.
Investigate more regarding Holmes' and Lanza's dads, and see what you come up with. I'd like to read what other people found out.

Read here...

The three men sentenced Thursday formerly worked at General Electric's (GE, Fortune 500) GE Capital unit, where prosecutors say they colluded with counterparts at other firms to rip off bond issuers. Two men -- Dominick Carollo and Peter Grimm -- received three years in prison, while the third, Steven Goldberg, got four years.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/18/news/companies/general-elect...

Who is Peter Lanza?

Peter Lanza is a Sr. VP with GE Financial. It is not at all unlikely that prosecutors would either subpoena him to testify before a grand jury or to subpoena him to testify at trial.

waa...

They both had fathers? Can't be coincidence. It's all coming together.

Plus

You base your conspiracy on inconsistent reporting from news outlets (who are always inconsistent, remember during the Tucson shooting, they told us Gabby was dead, simply because they rush to report, not because they are co-conspirators). Then you want evidence which would never reasonably be shown anyway. I mean do you really think any news outlet is going to release surveillance video of children being slaughtered? and why would any police station give that video to the news outlet anyway? You all remember when Fox news made headlines for accidentilly showing a man commit suicide, yet you all are outraged that the news stations won't show you bodies of dead children and video of them being killed?

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

I wouldn't really want to see that.

I still wonder why they showed Saddam being hung...that was pretty sick. What was their point in showing that?

Yes. It is evidence. Without

Yes. It is evidence. Without it there is no proof any of it happened. You can act outraged and amazed that we would want this footage all you want, but the bottom line is that without it we have absolutely no reason to believe any of this happened. There is clear motive to fake it. So yes, they MUST provide the evidence, they don't have to broadcast it at prime time to just make it available.

Footage is what brought us home from Vietnam finally and that's real reason they don't release much war footage any more and have all the journalists agreeing (completely public) to not talk about certain things or show footage of certain things. Violence is terrible but it is wrong to suppress evidence of wrongdoing on that basis. It's just plain absurd.

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Clear motive?

Governments have wanted to disarm their citizens for centuries, and mass shootings or killings have occurred for centuries. You are the one who sees a "clear motive" for faking it. I'm not convinced there is a clear motive. We live in a world where mass shootings take place even when they aren't staged, and liberals want our guns even when there aren't mass shootings. Nothing about the world I see around me give me clear evidence of a motive for faking something like this.

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

I disagree

They released Columbine videos, didn't they? They could release photos Or videos of Adam Lanza walking through the parking lot and breaking in to the building. That will be more than enough to satisfy a lot of people who are concerned about a conspiracy.

One possible explanation of government conspiracy here could be.. may be Adam Panza did indeed carry out those heinous acts but not in the manner government is narrating them. May be he only used pistols just like Virginia Tech shooter. But the government is lying about the "assault weapons " as they have an agenda. Gubmint knows that they will loose if they target semi-auto pistols.

Would it?

Adam Lanza walking through the parking lot wouldn't satisfy the people who say their were multiple shooters, or who say that these kids didn't die. Those people want video from inside the building showing him shooting people.

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

Why is it.....

...with these conspiracies that you always have to "paint a picture" or "put the puzzle pieces together". Why is there never hard evidence that directly implicates the wrong doers? You guys always want everyone to just assume that the puzzle fits together the way you think it does, just like a courtroom prosecutor who lacks evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, so he tries to "paint a picture" so the jury will buy his flimsy evidence.

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

This is MY question!!! WHY

This is MY question!!! WHY does the GOVERNMENT always have to "paint a picture" for us? Why do so many of these tragedies just NOT ADD UP? Why do they NEVER RELEASE the supposed hard evidence they have!?

I don't know all the details of what happened on 9-11 or Sandy Hook. But I do know the official story is impossible to believe. There isn't enough evidence at all.

So why do you just auto-trust their side of the story, when they are the ones with the resources to do an actual investigation an provide this hard proof, which if they are telling the truth would be NO PROBLEM? But then when people come up with counter theories or just simply ask questions, even though it is clear and obvious that evidence is being suppressed and intentionally hidden, it is our responsibility to prove things before we ask questions????

Freedom in our lifetime! - fiol.us

"official story"

You say that like it means something. You say it like we have a system in this country where the "official story" is decided upon, and dished out to the public. You all are the people taking what you hear on the news as the "official story". News isn't given to us through some magical official story. If it were, then the fact that the story may be incongruent would mean something. However, news outlets are always inconsistent and imperfect, but one thing they aren't is "official".

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

Uh. Actually, it does work

Uh. Actually, it does work that way. There's nothing secretive about it. All of the mainstream media is screened and agrees to be censored by the U.S. government. If there isn't an official source, how is it that they seem to so frequently report these tragedies before they happen?

Freedom in our lifetime! - fiol.us

I don't understand your

I don't understand your argument. It is like you are saying the media in unreliable, therefore we should believe them?

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I see your issue...

....and it is valid, however, that isn't specifically what I'm saying. When Gabby Giffords was shot with all those people in Tucson, the media reported that she was dead. They weren't lying about the incident, they just didn't report it correctly because they were rushing to get the info out so people would stay on their particular station. There is a difference between the media simply misreporting because they are imperfect, and them downright making up an entire story. In my opinion, there is plenty of evidence to suggest that this story actually happened, in close to the fashion it was reported, but that the media has made several errors in their reporting. I'm sure partly it is their fault, part is the fault of unreliable witnesses as well. But nothing I've seen leads me to believe this is anything more than common media mistakes.

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

You're going back to your

You're going back to your previously debunked argument. There is no responsibility for us to provide ANY proof. The fact that the government REFUSES to release the supposed evidence is enough to ask questions. If you are putting people in prison, if you are enacting mass legislation on the basis of something that happened, it is fair for us to see evidence that it happened. There is none.

Freedom in our lifetime! - fiol.us

the fact is

the fact is that there is hard evidence ,

video / audio and so on ,

just read around and you will start to paint a picture for yourself

ask your own questions don't rely on one website

and no 20 children are not murdered by one person very often
this was an over the top event to follow the aurora and sikh shootings were multiple shooters were reported in both of those as well.

plus all of the numerous inconsistencies in both of those stories as well.

"He's this eccentric Ghandi-Like figure that you cant touch with the normal bribes that people respond to."
the man Doug Wead on DR. RON PAUL

Google Noah Pozner.

I can't believe the whole town is in on it. Many people attended the funerals. And a brand new news article vividly explains the pain of Veronique Pozner, mother of the little kid Noah. The article also details many gruesome details of Noah's body. I still feel sick in my stomach. Not only the mother saw the real body, but members of clergy, some police officers. IT SIMPLY IS IMPOSSIBLE they ALL are in the conspiracy. The deaths are real...no doubt about it in my mind.

Having said this...I still doubt the official narrative. Main points of contention

1. Major discrepancy about the number of children in Miss.Soto's class
2. No photos or Videos released
3. No details of phone records, medical history
4. No clear explanation of multiple perpetrators
5. MAJOR discrepancy in the weapons involved. How did the bushmaster end up in the car.
6. No explanation how Adam Lanza managed to reload, discharge so many rounds.

Just release some photos PLEASE! My soul needs a closure. I want to confront the evidence no matter if it is horrifying or gruesome or whatever.

It is absolutely clear the government is cynically exploiting this tragedy. This is really despicable on the part of government and politicians.

Downvotes are fools

People who downvoted this... You are just as bad as the people saying it went down exactly as the government said. You aren't questioning everything, you are just anti-government. In the face of raw facts you still deny the plain truth. We need real investigations. Not people who remain suspicious after being proven wrong. People DID die. That is a fact!! And without acknowledging it there can be no investigation into what really happened!!!

Freedom in our lifetime! - fiol.us

my realization--

I understand the need for being rational and logical. I understand the need for being cautious and skeptical (of everything, both official stories and theories that aren't official)--

However, I realized something last night--

I have been the 'victim' of social engineering, or I should say someone close to me was the victim of a covert program for social engineering that involved eugenics.

This was covert. This was in the 50s. This program had the cooperation of medical professionals, though at the time it's hard to say whether they were just brainwashed into it as part of the medical industrial complex at the time (medical school/hospital policy) or whether they were really accomplices.

For many years the person close to me who had experienced this worked to get 'proof' of this having happened, proof of it being more than an accident.

The fact that a wrong was done or that damage was done could not be denied, though there were many people who would give this person no help, even if they were in a position to do so.

Yes, this person was accused of being crazy. Then, after years of searching and working, proof came, 30 years after the event that completely changed this person's life (for the worst)--

Proof obtained. Documents obtained. Professional opinions that it had, indeed, been engineered obtained.

30 years later.

That was a time of grief and healing, and it was good, finally, to have the truth.

One of the things that came out of this was a basic mistrust of the 'complex'--

(whether medical or military or fiscal or political)--

a thorough mistrust, because people will cover their tracks, even professionals who have taken 'oaths' (I assume there is still a Hippocratic oath)--

These people continue on in their lives, undamaged by having damaged others. There is not necessarily a 'conspiracy'. Often it is just misinformation given or a bit of pressure applied here and there to do something unethical.

So--

when this kind of thing happens a person begins to question EVERYthing--

and, yes, this kind of thing has happened to more than one person. There are those on DP who have had similar experiences, though not always with the medical industrial complex--

There is the man I know who suffered from agent Orange and whose entire family suffered with him--

etc.

There is much, much more, and I'm only giving one example.

So, sometimes those of *us* who seek the truth do it, because we already know that there are hoaxes abounding. There are those who profit from the suffering of others, and they would rather have their 'goods' (nice homes, nice cars, luxury) than live in a world where human life is valued.

Whatever their motives, there are those who will sell their souls--

I have learned this for myself, so I question EVERYthing--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

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thanks, 1988vote...

your post is true and REAL!

I hope it serves to wake even more people up!

God Bless You.

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9/11 Truth.

My response...

Read the article I just posted:

http://www.dailypaul.com/270508/war-on-the-american-people

Or read it right here:

The War on the American People

True American Patriots care about freedom, the Constitution, and also should have open minds. I’m not talking about inquiring minds that want to know what the latest news is regarding the Hollywood Players or such things as most Americans are unfortunately captivated by. My intent for writing this is to inspire you to fight for freedom as passionately as our Founding Fathers did.

The elite have an Agenda and are driven to get their New World Order (world communism) and will stop at nothing to accomplish getting it. The main thing in their way is our Constitution, the 2nd Amendment. They have successfully demolished the other Amendments, whom our Founding Fathers put in place to protect us from tyranny. The only thing keeping the Republic from total ruin and the people free is our 2nd Amendment. I’ll say it again this way: without our 2nd Amendment we are all done – game over. Does that scare you? It should! It scares me. So, let us not be fooled this time. God forbid.

The elite CONSPIRE with each other in all kinds of ways to further their agenda. They are involved in contaminating, in a variety of ways: all that is dear to us and all that is necessary for life – water, food, air, health, work, etc. They have duped most Americans to sneer at such talk or discussion and the people in turn repeat the phrase “conspiracy theory” which makes these people feel better because other people won’t think that they are crazy or “kooky”. This has produced more Americans who simply can’t think things through logically. They don’t critically analyze the data that they are bombarded with from radio and TV. It’s just too hard so they just accept what is “fed” to them by the Mainstream Media. There is something very wrong with blindly believing everything you are told. We are different, though, we should be able to convince our fellow Americans of the CONSPIRACY AGENDA of the elite who wish to rule the world and subjugate the rest of humanity as their slaves.

I have spent a lot of time examining the evidence on the latest “tragedy” in Sandy Hook, CT. Like everyone else, it was very disturbing to hear about the incident and think about so many people, especially children being murdered like that. However, after a couple of days there were some things that didn’t sit right with me. Being a mother myself of many children, I simply can’t believe that any of the parents interviewed so far have lost any children. [Let me stop and clarify that I’m not saying that no one died – I’m saying there is no PROOF that anyone died. There is a difference.] Almost right after the shooting these parents are interviewed and they are very neat, have excellent composure and well, are too “happy”. I haven’t seen one real tear. Some people say that people grieve in many different ways. I understand that; however, what I’m seeing is NO GRIEVING by any of the parents who were interviewed so far. I don’t hear the “panic” or sheer anguish in their voice or demeanor of losing their children. I know of people who lost their pets who have more emotion. A good friend of mine died eight years ago in a terrible accident. Still to this day her father gets all broken up when he talks about her. Robbie Parker, the first parent to be interviewed, was even laughing right before the interview. It was truly creepy how he “got into character” like an actor when it was time to be interviewed. The interview with the McDonnell parents was equally as creepy - It all seems like something out of the Twilight Zone.

That’s what got MY personal research started. I’m not going to take up the time to recite all the inconsistencies,irregularities, and just plain bazaar things; however, I’m going to give you a few things and it’s up to you to research more for yourselves. That’s what everyone should do with anything – question everything and never believe anyone or anything unless you convince yourself first by your OWN research. You have the best tool available: the Internet! The biggest problem I have with the whole thing is EVIDENCE. Where is it? We saw more “evidence” (actually too much evidence) in the OJ Simpson trial. It seems that we are supposed to take on faith what the Mainstream Media. We are supposed to just accept the “official story” without question or without any real investigation. I don’t know about you, but in my opinion, faith is something I have in God not Corporate Media. And I hope you all understand that you need to go outside of the Mainstream Media to do research; yes, that means going beyond Fox News and CNN. Check out alternative media.

So here goes:

• 1. According to the Associated Press, parents identified their children by photo-shopped photos. I've never, ever heard of such a thing. It kind of defeats the purpose of identifying a body, doesn't it?

• 2. What happened to the people who were handcuffed that day who were pronged on the ground? Why don’t we hear any more about them? What happened to them? Were they part of the shooting? Were they let go or still in police custody? So how do we know for sure that there a lone killer as reported by the media? Maybe there were more? Without any evidence whatsoever, anything is possible. What would a judge say in a court of law?

• 3. Where is the proof that Adam killed his mother? Did anyone see or hear anything? We only have what appears to be a photoshopped picture of Adam Lanza.

• 4. What about the car with the gun in it? Whose car was it?

• 5. Guns: it was said that the shooter had two hand guns. The coroner said that all the wounds to the victims were by a long gun. Well, what is it?

• 6. Many of the parents are calling for gun control? And articulate it so well, even their children?

• 7. Why don’t we hear how armed citizens stopped recent shooting incidents like in Texas and Oregon? Maybe because it doesn't fit the Agenda of the controlled Corporate Media?

The reason I took the time to compile this is because this Sandy Hook incident is the catalyst for the powers to be to strip of us of our guns. We as true patriots and fighters of freedom and our Constitution should be very knowledgeable about this incident. The timing is all too convenient. And now in the middle of the night Cuomo and the New York Senate has rammed in gun restriction legislation. The senators only had 20 minutes to look at the bill and there was no discussion or debate. Now, just as quickly the NY Assembly also voted for this gun control legislation and the governor immediately signed it. Every one of those senators, assemblymen who voted in favor of this bill committed treason, as well as the Governor of New York. They violated the oath to the Constitution which guarantees our God-given right to protect ourselves. Governor Cuomo, in his state of the state address, stated that gun owners in New York are extremists! Now we are all criminals. He also said that New York is the progressive capital of the world. He wants New York to lead the way in gun control. With the passage of this gun legislation it will just be a matter of time before they start to progressively take all of our guns away. Feinstein plans to offer federal legislation next week. That is the very nature of progressivism – they incrementally take what they want so most people won’t realize what happened until it’s too late. An allegory of progressivism is the proverbial frog being put in a pot of water with slowly increasing heat. He won’t jump out – he will boil to death. That same frog put in boiling water to begin with will immediately jump out.

As most all of us know, as soon as a population of people are deprived by their governments to defend themselves, they are slaughtered. According to one website I saw, Russia killed 40 million of its people, China killed 50 million of its people and Germany killed 13 million people and the list goes on and on. The elite needed an event that would get the people to cry out for gun control. Even the people who are on the fence on this issue will be fooled because it appeals to pity. Study logic – the fallacy of appealing to pity. The masses of Americans will cry for legislation to remove guns because they have been moved by the story of murdered children. They will be convinced and will cry out for change that they can believe in under the pretext that it will make children safer because “crazy” people won’t be able to get guns. Instead of addressing the illogical and stupid implementation of gun free zones, they want to point the finger at mental health only. Please don’t forget anyone can be labeled as a nut and if Obama gets his way with his forced Obamacare, they just might implement forced physiological exams (Don’t forget what Hitler did with those who were considered mentally impaired in Germany.) This a perfect set up in my analysis of the whole thing. The dark powers that we are dealing with are not stupid by any stretch of the imagination. They are amazingly brilliant – they are also diabolical.

One more thing I’d like to add is to relate to you just what a false flag is and why it’s important, just in case you don’t already know. A false flag is an event conducted and designed to deceive the public into believing that the operation appears as though it is being carried out by other entities. The name is derived from the military concept of flying false colors; that is, flying the flag of a country other than one's own. It is a “self-inflicted wound” and it is used as a psychological operation to process the “conscience collective” of the populace, thereby providing a base of support and a powerful motivation for that country to attack and or declare war against the country to which the attack has been set up to appear to have been instituted by. Keeping that in mind, let’s examine some examples:

An ancient example would be Nero burning Rome. He set fire to Rome and blamed the Christians and then systematically rooted out the Christians and had them killed. It is said that Nero fiddled while Rome burned. Fast forward 1800 hundred years to the Spanish American War. Even though a naval inquiry proved the sinking of the U.S.S. Maine was caused by a mine, President McKinley blamed Spain thereby dragging us in that war. Do your own research on the sinking of the Lusitania as a pretext for us entering WWI, the Gulf of Tonkin and our involvement in the Vietnam War and Pearl Harbor as a pretext for getting us into WWII. There are many others if you do your homework but the most well know example is Hitler setting the Reichstag fire. This gave the appearance of Polish aggression against Germany and Hitler then urged president Hindenburg to issue an emergency decree restricting personal liberty, including the right to free expression and a free press, limitations on the rights of association and assembly, warrantless searches of homes, property confiscation, and violations of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications “permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.” The Nazis used the decree and cracked down on their political opponents. They worked behind the scenes to force through the Enabling Act, which legally allowed Hitler to obtain complete power and establish a dictatorship. It seems that when enough time has gone by then sealed or suppressed evidence, then the truth comes out. I ask you: is Sandy Hook an exception to the rule?

Does any of this sound familiar? Maybe smells like current events a little? History repeats itself when the people don’t know history or what is going on around them and are also lazy. Unfortunately, Americans have been very lazy about keeping the Republic. Globalist, David Rockefeller, said, “All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.” This is the beginning of the war, my dear true patriots – the war on the American people, starting in New York. Will Americans happily and without a fight give up their guns and Constitution for supposed safety? I say God forbid!

Lastly, we've been hearing a lot from politicians and the media that guns are for hunting or self-protection, but that’s not what the Founding Fathers had in mind. Thomas Jefferson said: “The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." Does this sound extreme to you? I bet Governor Cuomo would think so. Here’s one more quote from Thomas Jefferson: “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” Please don’t neglect to research the Sandy Hook incident thoroughly for yourself so you will be well informed and educated, then at least you will not be a part of repeating history; Instead you will be at the front lines making sure the unthinkable doesn't happen.

"Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not." (Dr. Seuss)

Yours, Longhair, is an excellent post.

I only want to add a little wood to the fire.
While no proof was given that Adam killed anyone, it should be noted that his mother did not teach at that school.
The biggest lie came from the "reporter" who said she spotted a woman walking with the support of two younger females and she asked if all was alright, and was told her story: she was the Nurse at the Elementary School and she "knew Adam's mother very well, the kind of teacher you would want your kid to have". She added that she "hid under a desk and made eye contact" with the killer and he just turned and walked away. In a subsequent interview with a different reporter, she said she "hid under a desk and could see his shoes" and he turned and walked away.
So there's a few more discrepancies right there.
Four hand guns, a shotgun and a rifle were found in the school, supposedly all belonging to Adam. This is a locked school door, so who would "buzz" him in carrying such a load? More astounding: how does a 115 lb kid carry four handguns, shotgun and rifle plus a shitload of ammo? I own a shotgun and can bearly lift it with one hand.
Additionally, cops retrieved rifle from trunk purported to be Adam's car. That black car however, with license plate 872YEO was registered to Christopher Rodia of Florida, and he was staying with porn site owner friend in apartment not far from the school. Rodia was a known sex offender and drug trafficker.

So there seems to be more evidence suggesting Adam was not the killer than evidence saying he was. If that car was not Adam's, how did Adam even get to the school with all those weapons? Did he walk?

Here are several youtube videos which give credence to the idea of a false flag operation - these people were actors; and can't they be sued for conspiracy to commit fraud, and much much more because of the seriousness of the crime.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fIdNl_KwEo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyU8lu-CsHM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9ay1ipfq4k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFjo8nxND8w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1fd4IFLRqs

God bless America, land that I love.

Seen all of that..

from all the sites that I've stayed up to way too late for so many nights (this site being one of them) researching. I wrote what I wrote to my liberty group and I didn't want to give them too many things. Sometimes giving people too much causes them to not research for themselves. I could list you many, many more things than what you listed above. One of the first things that struck me as very weird in my research was trying to find all of the parents' names. Some I never did find. I thought it was very odd that not one site (that I could personally find) listed the parents, only the victims. The "stories" or obituaries would omit the parent's names, but would list a neighbor or person in their community by full name. Not proof of anything, just something I personally found strange.

"Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not." (Dr. Seuss)

The elite have an agenda ? I have some questions

1. Who are the elite, and what specifically is their agenda. Try to answer with Something like Joe Smith is a car salesman, and his agenda is to sell cars, regardless of the quality of the car.

2. The elite conspire with each other - please provide some specific examples. people contaminate the air in a number of different ways. give an example of a specific elite person, who they conspired with to contaminate the air, and what their agenda was i.e. what concrete advantage did they get from contaminating the air ?

3. On sandy hook. there were multiple witnesses to the bodies of the dead children. the possibility of all of the police, coroners, undertakers, clergy, misrepresenting their experience is essentially zero.

4. Did you ever consider that someone who would be willing to be interviewed after their child has been brutally murdered is an odd ball to begin with ? To say that they seemed odd to you is not evidence of anything. as far as your other ludicrous assertions. Let me go one by one.

1. You don't know exactly how the pictures were photoshopped. I suspect they were down so the parents didn't have to look at the brains and guts of the victims - sort of like they do for boobies on TV.

2. Why should the police talk about people who were questioned and released ? They have rights to privacy too.

3. I think the coroner, and then an undertaker took care of her Body. She had relatives and friends that provided a funeral.

4. Depending on the picture you are talking about it is either Lanza's mother, or some innocent person who was searched and questioned the day of the crime and deserves privacy.

5. an AR-15 based on Newtown paper

6. Only the most articulate, that fit the MSMs narrative get put on TV. Many of the parents have never talked about anything.

7. How did you hear about these cases ? They aren't suppressed. If your big conspiracy theory is that MSNBC reports stories that support the president, well. . . I knew that.

Last, we have already been stripped of our guns. In 1776 private individuals owned Cannon, and warships. Now, we are less well armed than the taliban - who can't defeat a small subset of the US Army, half way around the world on their own ground. We would not have the luxury of waiting until the Army would leave. So don't expect to fight tyranny with your AR-15 semi-auto, even if you know how to bump fire.