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Does it matter if you're right when you're hurting our movment.

Are more people seeing your posts about 9/11 and Sandy Hook, or are more people seeing stories like this.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/gene-rosen-sandy-hook-co...
It doesn't matter if I'm on board with your conspiracies or not. What matters is that a larger public is seeing a yahoo story about conspiracy theorists harrassing people in Newtown, than are seeing your posts about your "evidence" you found from some no-name youtube blogger.
I'm not going to debate whether you are right about the conspiracies or not. You being right about something which the public will never believe will not further the cause of liberty. All it has done has given the media, who has more reach than you, ammunition with which to bash people like Ron Paul.
I'm not concerned that you are right or not. I'm concerned that you are hurting our movement.




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these posts

seem to be a dime a dozen today.

in 25 years on this earth i've learned one thing: being right is the only thing that matters in this world. when someone shows you that you are wrong, no harm has been done. it's an opportunity to better understand the world you live in. but that's it, take it or leave it.

'our movement' is decentralized. it does not rely solely on Ron Paul. it does not rely solely on gary johnson or rand paul. it doesn't rely on the federal, state or local governments. it does not rely on the msm. it relies solely on individuals seeking truth.

your concern with peoples thoughts illuminates the power of propaganda only. it's a hard-wired reaction to keep you from seeking.. to keep you from inquiring. the federal reserve's founding was a conspiracy. wars are conspiracies.

best thing i've heard in a while was someone say that this is not a new revolution but a continuation of the one that happened in the 18th century that freed human beings from british tyrants.. (only to be enlaved again by banks and multi-national corporations)

ease your mind. thoughts and ideas are not dangerous to anything but lies.

The scariest thing to figure

The scariest thing to figure out after years of following Ron Paul... is he is a voluntaryist/anarchist... good thing he only backed up my already valid thoughts. However, anyone saying to suppress truth is clearly wrong. Not only that... many lies were spread all over the American Revolution to rile people up. Many founders went bar hoping raising concerns for freedom. I am 100% sure after a few beers some lies were told

Before anyone else bumps this post again

I just wanna point out that the OP has not even responded to any of your comments. This post should wither up and blow away IMO. "Our movement" IMO does not have any room in it for socialists.

jrd3820's picture

Hey Vince

Are you ever going to come hang out with me at my jam session?

I have invited you a few times, but you keep turning me down.

Stop by and share some music, the door is open.

http://www.dailypaul.com/270001/time-for-my-nightly-jam-session

Socialists?

I'd love for you to explain what you mean.

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

does the truth matter if people don't like to hear it?

I don't think 9/11 was an inside job and I think Sandy Hook was merely exploited, not a false flag. But I think not speaking about things you DO believe because collectivists think it makes THEM look bad is a really slippery slope in self censorship.

Every person here has their own views, and 'our movement' in the sense I personally, at least, subscribe to it, doesn't hold some responsible for the views of others.

Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesnt want to hear -RonPaul

sailingaway

If Sandy Hook was merely exploited, then why the cover up? Why won't the media and cops talk about it? This does not have the signs of a national security issue, for a hush job.

That's the problem.....

Please rethink and tell me your thoughts?

Because: Some animals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-

What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks

there are so many tragedies I think it is more what media choose

to focus on. Obviously killing kids is already illegal, so 'laws' arent' the cure. Victim disarmament zones might be influential, however.

but I haven't been looking at the coverage as to whether people are avoiding stuff, honestly. I just doubt it is contrived rather than exploited so much, I don't reach that threshold level. If I saw something that made me doubt I'd look into it, but I don't really doubt, is the thing.

Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesnt want to hear -RonPaul

Cover up is the point.....

99% of the people here will tell you that. If they just gave us the real info the we'd back off this issue, BUT THEY WON'T.

So until further info is given to "We The People," the true government, to cause us to think otherwise, IMO THIS IS DEEMED EITHER A STAGED EVENT OR FALSE FLAG.

Because: Some animals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-

What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks

To sum post up:

Conspiracy talk = harm.

*****

Article could have been written to say: conspiracy talk = good.

It's just, who's writting it and the motive with the desired outcome of the writting.....

Things aren't black and white. As with most conversation, you never really know the outcome of the conversation until you wade thru it.....

Because: Some animals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-

What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks

Re: To sum post up: pt. II

The paradigm is chagin. More people are sheadding the "sheep suit" everyday. Conspiracy talk was much harder years ago. Everyone is now awakening to some degree and is much more aware than just one month ago.

Soon what was once taboo to talk about will be common talk once people get it. Everything is stepping up now. They are trying to make everyone go back to sleep and people are not doing it, so we are now seeing the tptsb going into defense mode.

Because: Some animals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-

What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks

It doesn't matter whether or not *we*/*you* like . . .

Alex Jones or Glenn Beck (or whoever)--

It doesn't matter whether some crazy ideas get thrown around in the process of trying to sort the truth from the lies.

The fact is that some of *us* have been victims of the kind of social engineering that was originally conceived in rooms behind closed doors, orchestrated by 'elites' (whether political or medical or academic or fiscal, etc.)--

There are people "out here" in the 'regular' world who have found their way onto the DP who know (and have proof) that social/political/medical/academic/fiscal engineering (I use this word rather than conspiracies or designs) is real--

that there are people who sit around and discuss with other people ways of gaining control over other human beings, whom they often deem as being less able to manage their lives--

and in need of being controlled.

The fact that some of *us* have experienced this, firsthand, with proof and documentation--

have experienced atrocity that took decades to achieve--

makes us less inclined to pretend that such things don't happen.

Perhaps our "theories" are not always perfect, but the fact that we are seeking to uncover the truth and pull back the curtains and let the light shine on the darkness of oppression--

says something good about us.

And people who want liberty and who want truth will be drawn to a place where *we* congregate.

Perhaps there are some who don't think as rationally; whether they are truth-seekers or not really doesn't matter. If *you* appeal to them not to hurt the 'movement' (which needs better definition), and they are actually intent on hurting the 'movement' and want to make the rest of *us* look like idiots--

your post isn't going to move them to stop doing what they are doing.

In the meantime, may truth prevail.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

just to sound like a bigot..

When it comes to AJ and his rabid supporters that lack any strategy to win. 'There goes the neighborhood.'

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

You're right

Conspiracy theorists are clueless about effective political action. They believe in the "Sir Galahad" theory of politics... that being right is sufficient to win. They're wrong. They'll always be wrong. It amazes me that people who spend so much time supposedly seeking out the truth spend so little time studying effective and successful political strategies. The only other explanation for their actions is that they're purposely trying to discredit and hurt the liberty movement by acting like morons. CIA cointelpro indeed.

Maybe if the kooks read this they would actually win once in a while..

https://www.leadershipinstitute.org/resources/files/THE%20RE...

While you're correct in a

While you're correct in a way, you're also completely wrong in another.

While a lot of the so-called "conspiracy theorists" may have a poor demeanor for getting points across, there is no question that it has been effective in some scenarios.

You are making the mistake of assuming that everyone in the movement has to have effective political communication in order for the movement to get anywhere. I definitely get where it comes from (given what I posted on the night of AJ's tyrade) but after careful thought I was clearly wrong. There is a place for Alex Jones and it has amazed me how many people have been looking into things a bit since they saw it. People who would have easily brushed him off as a conspiracy theorist before are actually having a second look. I don't get it either, but it's working on some levels.

Yes, we also need a more diplomatic approach, but let's not give into collectivism and assume that any individual who agrees in any way with us (or is somehow "associated") hurts us somehow. We have only been on the uptrend, there's no evidence of anyone hurting us except GOP leadership and shills. Look how many absolute idiots there are in the two major parties, O'Reilly and Piers exist, yet those political ideologies are faring pretty well.

Freedom in our lifetime! - fiol.us

if a man/woman's heart is good . . .

and his/her intent is good--

then *we* need all kinds--

Some people are good at 'effective and successful political strategies' and have the gifts for those things--

Others are good at asking questions and finding answers--

Some aren't good at either but mean well.

Tolerance helps. In the meantime, as I said above, if someone wants to destroy liberty, they will not be 'moved' by the plea of the OP.

But, having said that, you are generalizing to say that "conspiracy theorists are clueless"--

A bit of collectivization going on there--

Intimidate those who want to ferret out the 'real' story--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

No.7's picture

What is your greatest fear?

"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?' Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine, as children do. We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It's not just in some of us; it's in everyone. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others."

Playing small and suppressing the truth does not serve anyone. If you scare someone from the movement that's their problem. They can't unlearn what they hear. Conspiracies are a part of this movement and that's that. Truth is truth, for those that refuse to hear conspiracy, teach them the greatest conspiracy of all: The inflation tax. Learning the truth about the FED helps one open their eyes to other truths that are hard to believe.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

yes, the good Dr was right. talk about money.

it is easy and fast to tell people that a quarter is not a quarter of a dollar, it is a quarter of an ounce.
and then you can throw in that a "dollar" is a unit of weight.
not just a monetary unit.
the smart ones will listen and not just consider it trivia...

jrd3820's picture

I know we joke around with music

But I have to agree here. I am studying economics through the eyes of literature. If you can wake someone up with talk of money your golden (no pun intended). They can choose from there to participate in the other conspiracy stuff, but the money is the most important part.

Does it matter if you are right or not

if you just fall in line like a good citizen??? NO

They are going to try to make us look like they want regardless of what we do. If you start tap dancing for them, then they for sure win.

ecorob's picture

When you are right...

you are NOT hurting the movement!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Who

will be the judge? Majority? Or those who in power?

ecorob's picture

The truth can NOT be corrupted.

The truth stands alone.

The truth will be the judge.

No matter the amount of lies against it, the truth will prevail in the end.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

I think it's just the opposite

I think that most people question things on a gut level but have been so conditioned to just accept what is presented to them by the TV that they ignore their gut. But when someone who has really questioned something brings up one of those gut questions and elaborates on it, sometimes something clicks and people start asking more questions about more things. Questioning a specific aspect of the controlled society we live in is the start of many a journey to the cause of liberty. The movement I'm part of isn't concerned with political parties or TV shows except to expose them for the lies they tell.

Michael Nystrom's picture

^^ This

Is an excellent insight.

The movement I'm part of isn't concerned with political parties or TV shows except to expose them for the lies they tell.

All art is only done by the individual. The individual is all you ever have, and all schools only serve to classify their members as failures. E.H.

Last time i looked

the liberty movement isn't a Collectivist movement. Individualism and self responsibility and restoration of freedom is a common goal I would wager most of us share. However, I would never claim to speak for you and I would hope you wouldn't claim to speak for me.

I have endless respect for Ron Paul
I admire the guts of Alex Jones
Instead of naming people in the liberty movement I disagree with I'll just say that I do agree with them sometimes and other times I think they've long lost the plot.

This doesn't mean I don't want them in the liberty movement. It takes all kinds. And I am grateful for them...even the ones I don't necessarily like.

As long as we respect one another and keep our common goals, I think we have more than enough room for individualism and varying opinions and approaches.

Sandy Hook paranoia is front page on the DP now

... it is what this site is transforming into. 9/11, chemtrails, Sandy Hook.

No Rand Paul on the FP.

deacon's picture

lol

making friends again,I see ;)
deacon

setting your expectations to high,can cause depression

this guy can dance better than John Travolta.

and yes, that makes more sense and is more revalent than your post.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_426RiwST8

jrd3820's picture

HVACTech, would you do me a favor?

Watch this whole video and try to tell me with a straight face it does not make you want to dance. I bet you can't do it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ziSLGVQOSg

Oh, and that guy is good, but he is not better than Travolta.