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Jesse Ventura: Sandy Hook Shooting Not A False Flag - Update

Update: Ventura also linked to this point-by-point debunking thread, from Facebook, saying:

I think this is a pretty good point by point debunking of the Sandy Hook conspiracy video. It assembles most of the "smoking gun" evidence and offers pretty solid explanations. Unless stronger evidence comes out I'm going to put Sandy Hook into the "Government takes advantage of tragedy to push an agenda" file. Again, Sandy Hook does not appear to be a false flag operation.

From Jesse Ventura's Facebook Page:

"I dont see enough evidence to think Sandy Hook was a false flag operation. This is more of a tragic event turned into political opportunity than it is a staged event. Was there investigative bungling and the sensationalist media reporting unverified stories? Yes. Was there confusion and were facts lost and gained in that confusion? Yes. Are there people, even witnesses, looking for their 30 seconds in the spotlight? Yes. Are there individuals and institutions using and shaping this event for their own political agendas? Yes, and we must keep a very watchful eye on those institutions to keep them from twisting the facts of this event. Sadly, everything I mentioned above can, when taken out of context, make one think manipulation is afoot.

Most chaotic events can come across that way. In examining the event, I don't see government hands at work mainly because they would have covered their tracks better. We can't expect them to pull off ...elaborately planned hoaxes while at the same time leaving behind so many easy "smoking guns" for us to find. It took years for independent investigators to uncover JFK. It took years for us to begin scratching out the truth about 9/11. Those of us who study real history, not state sanctioned history, can very easily become just as close minded and biased for conspiracy as those who stand in our way and refuse to accept the truth about our government and the people running it.

It's very easy to fall into that trap, especially when knowing how much of our history and world events are not what they appear to be. So please, do not immediately jump up and yell "Fire!" just because someone makes a YouTube video. Research, research, research. You only hurt our cause by promoting false conspiracies and crackpot agendas. Much like the Birther conspiracy, I am starting to think that a lot of the so called "evidence" of conspiracy coming out about Sandy Hook is designed and fabricated to make us "conspiracy theorists," us truth seekers, look foolish. Why? So that when good people argue against the destruction of our Second Amendment they can easily be painted with the "crackpot" brush."

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Then show the video...

show the video from the school cameras that shows lanza doing it and put the whole thing to rest.

but they wont do that. Either because it did not happen the way it is claimed. or because they want people to speculate that it did not happen that way so that they can come out later and say "see we told you so."

Either way it is the actions of an unaccountable and manipulative government. Not a government of, by and for the people.

I don't care if it was "real" or "fake" because I'm not going

to do much more than "talk about it" -- it will NOT lead to "liberty" in the Misesian sense of the word because anything the Media creates (while operating under corporatism) is NOT a free-market-good.

Only the consumption of free-market goods can lead to free-markets.

This is "fuel" for the media fodder.

It is 911/2.0 or 3.0 if we consider Birther-ness

If an event is going to cause no greater action in you then to blog it and since blogging has not brought us one step closer to a free-market; I doubt that blogging will.

We have too much quality entertainment now -- technology is too interesting.

If Tech Amusement increased by 2 or 3 times (and we know that it will in the next 5 to 10 years -- as it has in the last 10) then people would be willing to give up 90% of their paycheck to participate in it for free.

What I just said there, is why we will pay the 30-40% of our income now; if you double or triple the entertainment factor and do the same with taxation (do the math) you get around 90% of our income taxed.

Talk-Talk-Talk-Talk

No free-markets because the "talking" does not lead to free-market-good consumption PERIOD!!!!!

Man I would love to see a an A/J Show

Have an Alex Jones and Jesse Ventura show

I would love to see those two screaming at their guests

I would PAY to make sure something like that gets funded.

We can do money bombs to bribe chumps like Piers Morgan to get them to do interviews.

Have interviews with ruby ridge, waco, kennedy deaths and a million other topics presented with FACTS.

during intermission they can box or wrestle because they are both AMPED UP characters.

The social and viral options that we can have at our disposal would be killer as well. I really think that the revolution does need a media outlet and we the grassroots can fund the marketing.

If someone put something up that can actually fund a profitable media option I see it being HUGE.

Maybe the DP should look into going into a larger media option like a broadcasted show or something?

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Thanks

That was great. And now to something that isn't completely retarded

~ turns to and stares at blank wall~

birthers crackpots?

As far as I have seen, the birth certificate has been proven fraudulent in many ways. This was all swept under the rug and ignored. Did you research this topic?

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pistols,no rifle

http://babylonprime.blogspot.com/2012/12/story-retraction-au...
how embarrassing!!
deacon

setting your expectations to high,can cause depression

Four handguns, no rifles

Courtesy of MoxNews

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxaTh1RK4c8&feature=youtube_g...

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Debunking the debunk is just too easy.

1. They claim the "second shooter" was the dad, but now we know there was an "off duty" armed goon involved.
2. They say the gun mix up is over zealous reporting. Yet the media claimed those reports were from cops, and they were 100% consistent. 2 Handguns inside, 1 rifle in the trunk, with video of them taking a long gun from the trunk. AFTER the ME said everyone died of long gun wounds, suddenly the number and type of weapons was all over the board. To this day, I cannot find a "final answer" on WHERE WAS THE MURDER WEAPON? It is sort of the KEY piece of evidence, and I am to believe that the first 24 hours where everyone agreed that Lanza was found with 2 handguns is a matter of confusion, and the hodge-podge of nonsense ever since Carver spoke is the clear answer? That no one confirmed what the MURDER WEAPON was?
3. The nurse - she was being introduced as "Sally" and her name was "Sarah." THAT was legitimate confusion that can hardly be blamed on the confused. That allegation has gone away as soon as TRUTH came out.
The rest is just about the odd emotional reactions. That is being used as a ruse to discredit the VERY LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS. I do find the consistent lack of tears very odd.
And I notice he does not "debunk" the very puzzling problem of how many kids were in Soto's class, and where they all wound up. Several people have tried to figure this out, and it does not add up. That is not a theory, that is a question.
I find it hard to believe that Jesse has no questions. I hope the reply below indicating this may not be coming from Jesse at all proves to be true.

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...

I can't find the link, but I heard Jesse do an interview and he

said he does not have a facebook or twitter account and if there are any out there in his name, he is not the one who put them up. I'm sure his producers have the one up for his TV show. I don't know who is doing his "official" page.

The stage is still being set.

We may be thinking about this all wrong. There are many benefits that TPTB can get out of this. In fact, they may not even know which benefit they want to cash in on until they see how the public reacts to the event.

-What if they are widening the divide between truth seekers and sheeple with this event only to pull off an even larger scale event in the near future. People so put off by the supposed "disrespectful to children" theories won't even attempt to listen to questions about the next event. We have established in party politics that divide and conquer is very effective.

-We've talked about the disarming of the public through indirect measures as well. Perhaps the response the public gave let them know that this is how they are going to have to go about it. They will play the mental health and organization affiliation cards to take weapons away from people over time, out of public scrutiny.

I can go on but you get the idea. Counter intelligence and disinformation are amazing to watch in action. This isn't their first rodeo. I will also throw out there that this could very well just be a politically manipulated story based on a true tragedy. They are just taking their time in releasing everything to cover all the angles in the story. This may not be as bad as planning & operating the actual shooting but it's still diabolical.

The greatest chess players make their moves thinking of many possible outcomes that will benefit them. If they make moves only thinking about one specific beneficial result they will most likely be disappointed when their opponent does not do exactly every counter move they anticipate.

This whole thing is very fluid. Keep that in mind.

Interesting times we live in.

Ask Questions

The Parker family was reported to have moved from Ogden Utah to Connecticut 8 months ago (according to CNN). The Parker family was reported to have moved from Utah to New England a few months ago (reported on the LDS website). Yet, they were reported to have moved from Rio Rancho, New Mexico to Connecticut in January, 2012, by the Rio Rancho Observer (complete with a picture of Emilie Parker on the playground of the local school). Unless the Parker family is divine, they can't be in two places at the same time.

Question: From where and when did the Parker family move to Connecticut?

The Bushmaster .223 was found in the backseat of the car as reported on the morning of the shooting. The gun, reported as the Bushmaster .223, was removed from the trunk of the car that night (according to the video which showed it was dark outside). Unless the people on scene that morning have X-ray vision, if the Bushmaster was found in the trunk of the car (that night), how could the Bushmaster be identified in the backseat of the car that morning?

Question: Was the Bushmaster .223 found in the backseat of the car that morning, or was it found in the truck of the car that night?

The vehicle sitting on top of a flatbed truck was identified as the car used by Adam Lanza belonging to his mother Nancy Lanza. The license plate is clearly visible on the front of the car. The car identified as belonging to Nancy Lanza with a license plate clearly visible on the front of the car is identified by the police as registered to a Christopher J. Robia.

Question: Who is the registered owner of the car?

These are not hard questions and could easily have been addressed within days of the events at Sandy Hook.

Nancy Lanza Owned the 2010 Honda Classic

I reported this fact on another post.

Here is the tax record for Nancy Lanza (see: https://www.mytaxbill.org/inet/revenue/revenueSearch.do ).

If the session has timed out, start over and select the town of "newtown".

Type in "Lanza Nancy" in the Tax Payer Name box. All the tax records and vehicles will be displayed.

The police still need to confirm that Adam Lanza's fingerprints were found on the steering wheel.

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Those are very good questions

uastudy. Although I agree that a lot of the explanations provided by Jesse Ventura make sense, it still leaves a lot of unanswered questions, like the ones you just asked. There are just too many things about this event that just do not pass the smell test and I am not yet ready to dismiss them, despite Mr. Ventura's well reasoned explanation for some of them.

great post

Good points about scrutinizing our own assertions are thoroughly as we do the official version.

Vickie

There is NO WAY the Sandy Hook Drill

Was anything more than a drill. HSEEP does scheduling for DHS / FEMA DRILLS has been in of all places Sandy Hook CT for 2 years..If you read the CAFR for 2012 from the Comptroller of Accounts for the STATE OF CONNECTICUT you'd see Sandy Hook Elementary set for closure the end of 2012. For all intents and purposes there wasn't a stick of furniture in the place for this drill..Wuld explain the lack of closed circuit security camera info...Food for thought.

Just one last kick in the nuts, then a final deathblow

No CAFR for 2012

http://www.osc.ct.gov/reports/
I checked several documents from the site and searched for anything related to Sandy Hook - nothing. The most recent CAFR is for fiscal year ending June 30, 2011.

Link?

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Source links?

especially the link from the comptroller about the closing date. Also, if the closing was set for the end of 2012, it makes sense that the furniture would still be there. How do you know there was no furniture?

It's true the evidence is still coming in

Here's what's out there so far:

If you have the DVD check it out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcIituDdsB8

now go here:

http://www.naturalnews.com/038633_sandy_hook_google_search_r...

Also here's a couple excerpts from Joel Skousen's newsletter (www.worldaffairsbrief.com):

BEGIN TEXT from JAN 4:

CONTINUED BLACKOUT ON SANDY HOOK FINDINGS

Although the Sandy Hook Elementary school shooting is being used to push through a new round of gun control, it is telling that no public inquest is being demanded or encouraged to make sure what we have been told about the shooting is true. Up in the air are the numbers of shots fired, the number of shooters or accomplices present, and the type of weapons actually used. All of this is easily discoverable with gun ballistic testing, fingerprints on the weapons and other data.

Strangely there is a virtual black hole developing around the evidence, and much of that is because the supposed perpetrator is dead so there is no trial. You can see why it is so important for the planners of such events that the perpetrator kill himself (or be “suicided” by his accomplice) so that there is no need for public presentation of evidence linking the “lone perpetrator” to the crime.

Police say Lanza killed his mother before going to the elementary school. How do we know this? Where is the ballistic evidence and the trace of the firearm to Lanza via fingerprints, etc.?

Did Lanza actually shoot the kids with a semi-auto pistol or a rifle? Where are the bullets from the corpses, and which weapons do they match? All this is basic police investigation 101, and yet nothing is forthcoming!

There have been at least six weapons found associated with this crime, four of which are long guns—and that’s too many for one lone shooter to be toting around for use.

There are credible reports and police recordings indicating the arrest and detainment of at least 3 other individuals. Who are they, where are they, and what is their status? Silence, and no one in the mainstream press is demanding answers. Who put out the word to not press for answers?

It is also telling that according to Reuters, “Attorney General Eric Holder will travel to Newtown, Connecticut, on Thursday [last] to meet law enforcement officials and investigators who are examining the school massacre there, a Justice Department official said.” Now, why would an Attorney General from the US come to brief police first responders? Is he doing grief counseling? Hardly. He never showed up to brief any police at any other shooting sites.

I strongly suspect he was there to quell a major case of rebellion among state police as their leaders pressure them to remain silent about the anomalies they observed relative to the other shooters involved and the official story about an assault weapon being the weapon of choice. CT state police probably needed some heavy artillery to come down to meet with officers and warn them about “state secrets” and “national security.” Hopefully, someday one of those cops will talk.

It is also interesting to note that while the media is all too anxious to use the Sandy Hook shooting to beat the drums of gun control, they completely ignored another major example of a potential mass shooting in a theater in San Antonio, Texas that was stopped by an off duty, but armed, policeman. The national media ignored this story, even though the shooting occurred just two days after the Newtown shooting.

As the New American magazine said, “If the media were honestly looking for solutions to gun violence, they should have jumped on the San Antonio incident to show the difference a good person with a gun can make. But they didn't, apparently because it does not fit the narrative that the mainstream media promote - that is, that guns cause violence rather than prevent it.” ...

/END TEXT

BEGIN TEXT from JAN 11:

While the manufactured crime at Newtown, CT gave the anti-gun media the rallying cry they have been looking for, it is far less clear how many voters have been swayed into thinking that gun control is the answer to wanton massacres. What we can say for sure is that the nation is much more polarized than before and will get even more so as this debate progresses.

Fortunately on the propaganda front, the more time Congress is delayed in taking up gun control, the less the Sandy Hook shooting becomes a burning issue. But this establishment is going to milk it for all it’s worth. As the Washington Post gleefully noted, “While groups such as the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence have long lobbied for stricter gun laws, last month's massacre at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn., has spurred many progressive organizations, millionaire donors and other activists to begin focusing on the issue.”

The federal government has also mounted a full-court press on local and state police in Connecticut to keep any officers from talking about the massive evidence that indicates multiple attackers and the use of 9mm pistols rather than an assault weapon. An ongoing coverup is in full swing ever since Attorney General Eric Holder came to visit and threatened to use “national security” powers to ensure silence against any whistleblower or leak. I can’t prove that is what he said there, but the combination of absolute silence surrounding the visit and the blackout on any ballistic evidence supporting the official story is extremely suspicious.

It is the height of hypocrisy for the media to spend so much time hyping the Sandy Hook massacre while sustaining the blackout of evidence that either proves or disproves the official story. There is no call from the media demanding to view the security videos from inside the school. No one is calling for any investigation whatsoever and there will be no trial because of the presumed “suicide of the lone shooter”. Neither the lone shooter nor the suicide aspects of this story are probably true. Without a trial, the authorities don’t have to present any evidence of any claims previously made. How convenient. There is no other way to explain the absolute, across-the-board refusal to cover these issues – it is a conspiracy of silence by the media.

/END TEXT

-Bloatedtoad

???

I dunno. Because of the things that are written in that article it should lead one to BELIEVE in FF, NOT the opposite....

I have a hard time believing he really wrote this. This article does not even sound like JV to me.

Because: Some animals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-

What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks

Show me the mother bleeping

Show me the mother bleeping video from the camera footage at the school. Please, for the love of God, show America the BEEF!

So far it has been all bun, and no beef.

Where's the BEEF?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CYqQPhXfRU

Over a month later, and still no motive.

Over a month later, and still no video evidence even though they have it.

Reminds me of the Pentagon back in 2001.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

Yeah, Jesse is uncharacteristically lacking in curiousity

I don't need a theory debunked, I need THEIR theory PROVEN. Evidence, please.
Jesse, you're losing your edge.

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...

Would you consider your

Would you consider your theory proven then?

I don't have a theory, I have questions about THEIR theory.

The MEDIA and POLICE have put a theory out there as "the official story." I want some evidence to support their theory.
It is a sad, sad day when those who want proof of what they are being told are "crazy conspiracy theorists."

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...

Yeah and doesn't it seem a

Yeah and doesn't it seem a bit odd that they are able to instantly say that only 1 guy is responsible? How would they know that before investigating evidence and possibilities. Maybe they knew it from the video ...then show us that evidence!

Nothing wrong with wanting

Nothing wrong with wanting some evidence.

The main problem I have with this conspiracy is that, as the author of that article pointed out, there are quite a few holes in a lot of the evidence for it.

Big difference with the 2

Big difference with the 2 other events he mentioned...compared to today, the internet and the citizens ability to pick things apart with youtube were non existent, in the case of JFK, and not as prevelant, in the case of 911. Today, people can post and examine all kinds of info about events. That is why the turn around time is so short as opposed to the long unravelling of JFK. Surely JV doesn't really think the gov't is meticulous about any of its crimes. All of us know that government bungles everything it puts its dirty hands on. It just had a tight lockdown on information until now. I am skeptical that this is really JVs views...but I will be interested to see it verified.

Ventura is on T.V.

He's like the kinder, more gentle bear of the A.Jones genome.

He is allowed to say what information they pay to provide.

They that give up liberty for security deserve neither.

Ever think that television is

Ever think that television is simply trying to keep up with the Jones's?

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

I see what you did there

We know who owns the channel, we know who funds the programming, yet we still become fond of similar language.

Mind the peripheral gap.

They that give up liberty for security deserve neither.