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Jesse Ventura: Sandy Hook Shooting Not A False Flag - Update

Update: Ventura also linked to this point-by-point debunking thread, from Facebook, saying:

I think this is a pretty good point by point debunking of the Sandy Hook conspiracy video. It assembles most of the "smoking gun" evidence and offers pretty solid explanations. Unless stronger evidence comes out I'm going to put Sandy Hook into the "Government takes advantage of tragedy to push an agenda" file. Again, Sandy Hook does not appear to be a false flag operation.

From Jesse Ventura's Facebook Page:

"I dont see enough evidence to think Sandy Hook was a false flag operation. This is more of a tragic event turned into political opportunity than it is a staged event. Was there investigative bungling and the sensationalist media reporting unverified stories? Yes. Was there confusion and were facts lost and gained in that confusion? Yes. Are there people, even witnesses, looking for their 30 seconds in the spotlight? Yes. Are there individuals and institutions using and shaping this event for their own political agendas? Yes, and we must keep a very watchful eye on those institutions to keep them from twisting the facts of this event. Sadly, everything I mentioned above can, when taken out of context, make one think manipulation is afoot.

Most chaotic events can come across that way. In examining the event, I don't see government hands at work mainly because they would have covered their tracks better. We can't expect them to pull off ...elaborately planned hoaxes while at the same time leaving behind so many easy "smoking guns" for us to find. It took years for independent investigators to uncover JFK. It took years for us to begin scratching out the truth about 9/11. Those of us who study real history, not state sanctioned history, can very easily become just as close minded and biased for conspiracy as those who stand in our way and refuse to accept the truth about our government and the people running it.

It's very easy to fall into that trap, especially when knowing how much of our history and world events are not what they appear to be. So please, do not immediately jump up and yell "Fire!" just because someone makes a YouTube video. Research, research, research. You only hurt our cause by promoting false conspiracies and crackpot agendas. Much like the Birther conspiracy, I am starting to think that a lot of the so called "evidence" of conspiracy coming out about Sandy Hook is designed and fabricated to make us "conspiracy theorists," us truth seekers, look foolish. Why? So that when good people argue against the destruction of our Second Amendment they can easily be painted with the "crackpot" brush."

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Isn't it a little early to be making this

judgment? Jesse is looking like controlled opp. I always wondered how his show got on the air.

man, i need to be careful

man, i need to be careful what I'm asking for here but.... just once, I'd love to see the world through your eyes. I really don't get you. Conspiracy theorists all seem so sure of them selves... as if you have some prescient knowledge. Dude, the only thing you know about controlled ops (one p) is what you read in a Tom Clancy novel.

I'm always surprised

at perfect strangers who claim to know what I know and what I don't know. Odd.

And I'm never surprised by a

And I'm never surprised by a conspiracy theorist alluding to having some kind of knowledge.

I assume you are

referring to Jesse because I did not allude to having some kind of knowledge. I posted that I WONDERED how Jesse got his program aired. I also wonder about those who target other for personal attacks while ignoring other posters who say the same things. Interesting.

Ok, "wondered" as in 'now you

Ok, "wondered" as in 'now you know'... as in, my point proven. Thanks. :)

Maybe in

your own mind.

I am neither convinced or unconvinced

that sandy hook was a false flag. I don't think there is enough evidence to flat out say it was a false flag. But at the same time, there are a lot of unanswered questions. MSM's continued poor reporting and misinformation has definitely played its part at accelerating the conspiracy hype around this. But misinformation, and this jump the gun style of crappy reporting, doesn't necessarily equate to false flag. Until all the evidence can be seen, I can not really take a position on this. That is just my personal opinion.

I will say, I think Jesse is jumping on the gun on saying its not a false flag. This would be a perfect episode for his show to uncover....

what?

"We can't expect them to pull off ...elaborately planned hoaxes while at the same time leaving behind so many easy "smoking guns" for us to find."

that sounds to me like he just said, "there's a bunch of smoking guns saying this is a staged event but ignore it.. they wouldn't be so stupid." am i wrong in hearing that?

"Much like the Birther conspiracy, I am starting to think that a lot of the so called "evidence" of conspiracy coming out about Sandy Hook is designed and fabricated to make us "conspiracy theorists", us truth seekers, look foolish."

also, when was the 'birther' conspiracy debunked? if anyone has any links i would appreciate it because i thought there was a pretty good case between Orly Taitz, the CT ssn and the layered, photoshoped document they provided.

i got nothing against ventura. i agree with a lot of what he says. but this guys word just doesn't hold a lot of water for me.

Yes-

"We can't expect them to pull off ...elaborately planned hoaxes while at the same time leaving behind so many easy "smoking guns" for us to find."

"that sounds to me like he just said, "there's a bunch of smoking guns saying this is a staged event but ignore it.. they wouldn't be so stupid." am i wrong in hearing that?"

My EXACT reaction as well when I read this. If they're careless enough (as they've proven to be) the gov't will leave smoking guns. Thanks to the internet, people are starting to question and research more and more as they turn off their TV.

Why not?

Look how well they've run all other things... Benghazi much?

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It is very hard to take him

It is very hard to take him seriously looking like that. He looked very respectable as governor.

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I think the Batman map is the

I think the Batman map is the most obvious piece of evidence of foreknowledge of this event. Seems everyone has forgotten about that and concentrate on the other stuff.

Did it ever occur to you that

Did it ever occur to you that the disturbed individual who committed this act might have seen that in the movie? I mean, come on, have some common sense.

Why in the world

would anyone, ever, PLANT tiny hints pointing to a future crime into blockbuster movies? Where is a single ATOM of logic in that?

I mean, there are so many inconsistencies in the "official story" that there is nothing more sensible than to call upon the media and investigators, and demand them to do their job properly and provide answers.

Why would you focus on a work of fiction filmed year before?

Focus on the reported facts and how inconsistent they are and demand clarification.

The "ATOM of logic" is that

The "ATOM of logic" is that it is called "Predictive Programming". It's not only used in FF events, but also for technology (such as invasive technology) that people may not be keen to accept were it just introduced without pre-conditioning. By putting such ideas into popular visual media, the public is sold on the idea as normal. The movie Minority Report contains a good example from the technology side - like seeing the future before it happens, then what it does happen, it's treated as normal and expected.

Predictive programming was used heavily prior to the 911 event, some blatant, and some more subtle.

There is a Sandy Hook bay to

There is a Sandy Hook bay to the south of New York. Though im not certain why that would appear on a map of Gotham City?

That Sandy Hook appears twice in the batman movie, and the author of Hunger Games lives in Newtown seems odd to me. Im not calling these smoking guns, though I have my suspicions. Add a secret meeting between Eric Holder (a known conspirator and criminal) and the first responders, and id say Jesse should probably look a bit deeper into this one. He's right, they aren't all false flags... but some are.

If you want to know why a group of globalists would put such things, forcasting future crimes into their schemes, I suppose the easiest way to answer that would be to point out the various occult crap these guys are into. Have you've ever seen the Bohemian Grove ceremony where some of the world's most powerful elites go to? What they are watching is a drywish ceremony where a baby is sacrificed to one of the gods of destruction. aaaand its an owl. Just like the one hiding on your $1 bill. I suppose one must come to the conclusion that some of these guys are into some pretty weird shit. Im sure most of them roll their eyes at the "ritual" nonsense, but like every other society, I imagine they have their priests who take it seriously.

I have little doubt that there are psychopaths at the top who are into sadism and strange occult ritual. We "know" this stuff goes on. Its not unusual for a serial killer or other sort of psychopath to leave calling cards at the scenes of his crimes. It probably gives them a sense of ritual to do so.

Or put it like this. Imagine if Ted Bundy and some of the other famous serial killers had figured to supress their immediate desires, and instead sought to satiate them by becoming powerful figures within the power strutures of the banking empire. What if that system encouraged men with such desires because it they all have an innate desire to destroy the rule of law and foister an age where they can do as they please and their serfs are powerless to stop them? What if those at the very top like surrounding themselves with useful idiots who are "easily" controlled via blackmail because of their various sadistic and perverse hobbies? Cross the boss, guess what pictures and videos are going to be all over the mass media staring you and your victims?

Some people think that greed accounts for the systematic destruction of our rights and persuit of a monolythic collectivist ologarchy were Lords rule peasants. I am not one of those people. These guys know what they want, and they know how to get there. False flags are a tool used all the time.

These are interesting

little things and curiosities - it's almost entertaining, like a game - "spot the symbols". I'm sure some of the popstars use these symbols in their music videos deliberately, to increase youtube views by 'conspiracy theorists' who are happy to find yet another eye in the triangle... in the end, it only adds a sense of mystery the celebrities need to stay interesting.

(I am aware of the owl symbol and I have seen Anderson Cooper showing the owl picture, and yes, that thought had crossed my mind at that moment)

However as much as these bits might be entertaining for people with rich imagination, they lead nowhere.

There is so much more solid leads - adding occult symbols into the mix can ruin/discredit serious investigative attempts.

BTW film makers indeed used NY map for the movie.

im sure you're right, though

im sure you're right, though since we've all got our heads in the rabbit hole to one degree or another if we're in this movement, it does beg a few questions.

The illuminati pyrmid on the freaking dollar that says "new world order" in latin on the back? Or something close too? Smoking gun much?

Or how about how every president featured on the US $ is one who opposed central banking and fiat currency? Its almost like a giant F U to their rivals in the past.

I think, like cackling school girls who just can't hold a secret because its too damn exciting, they have to let slip little hints and goodies here and there.

You could say its singers doing it to get more youtube... but are they reading the future? Did the produces of Bat Man know shit was going to happen in Sandyhook?

Did Lil Wayne (who doesn't appear to have the mental capacity to pull his pants all the way up) understand that surrounding himself with 12 skeletons in a movie theater whilst dressed like a batman character 2 weeks before the movie came out was going to net him more youtube views?

Or how about the movie: The Knowing" where a news broadcast on Nicholas Cages TV talks about Deep Water horizon in flames, or how his digital clock shows the date of Japan's earthquake while displaying Japan's country code at the bottom.

coincedance? I dunno. Pretty weird stuff either way. But as I said, LAS kept appearing in the Dark Knight Rises, so keep your eyes on the Las Vegas airport. If I was a gambling man, I might put a few bucks on that place turning into swiss cheese by another "crazed lone gunman" armed with an eveal AR-15 in the near future.

Obama's balking yesterday...

Proves that Sandy Hook wasn't a staged false flag event.

For the most part I agree

However, a few thoughts come to mind.

Jesse did a show about "Shape Shifters" which makes his comments about making truth seekers look foolish somewhat disengious.

RP has said before that our government keeps so many important facts classifed or otherwise unavailable to the public that they invite conspiracy theories.

Also a quote:
“Only the small secrets need to be protected. The big ones are kept secret by public incredulity.” ~ Marshall McLuhan

With those thoughts in mind, like so many other things that happen a long way from where I live, I don't have enough evidence to enable me to form an opinion with any degree of confidence. Knowing that there is evidence in the form of surveillance camera recordings which could put all this to rest but was not released shortly after the event...bothers me. Just like the 84 other video recordings of whatever it was that hit the pentagon. There are no acceptable explainations I'm aware for those videos to be kept from public scrutiny.

I used to put my trust in others. Now, I don't trust anyone's judgement more than I trust my own.

He also came to the

He also came to the conclusion that it was bogus. There is nothing wrong with investigating a crazy theory.

Wow

Now we just need everyone's favorite god, Alex Jones, to point out that these theories are bonkers.

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Sad To Say

Jesse has been saying and doing all kinds of stuff that blows me away lately. I stopped watching conspiracy theory because it has gotten so lame. He has sold out I fear.

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I will side

with an agnostic approach. Without solid facts, one way or the other, it is premature to project government previous operations on any current events.

Some historical references, similarly obscure, cannot be taken as solid facts either. In any case, as stock brokers say, "past perfomance does not guarantee future results." Or like scientists say "do not confuse weather with climate."

I think Jesse's wrong. It

I think Jesse's wrong.

It took so many yrs to uncover previous conspiracies because people were not united through the internet as they are now.
-We didn't have youtube during 911.
-We didn't have fb during JFK.

It's so much easier for citizens to share intelligence. When the govt attacks the people, they're attacking a conglomerate brain of knowledge. (as long as we still have internet freedom) It's going to be much harder to pull off a false flag attack. We're calling them out!

Valid Point

I was thinking the same thing. The internet, and widespread acceptance of other conspiracies helps us see through the filter of that possibility, and collectively investigate... That being said, I also believe it prudent that we remain objective. And I think Jesse is making some very valid points.

Sitting at your computer, far

Sitting at your computer, far from the physical evidence, is not "investigating". Secondhand evidence has already been filtered through someone else's point of view (aka self-interest).