What's wrong with a little gun control?
Submitted by goldstock on Fri, 01/18/2013 - 22:38I don't believe anyone is coming for your guns. I understand that there are people that might want that, but it's just not going to happen. I have no problem with stricter laws. Sorry, but we don't need AK 47's. And guess what, nothing suggested in any of the current proposals would even mean that you'd have to give up yours if you had one. These were the same views Reagan had:
In 1986 he signed the Firearm Owners Protection Act. It banned ownership of any fully automatic rifles that were not already registered on the day the law was signed.
As governor of California, Reagan signed the Mulford Act, which prohibited carrying loaded firearms in public.
He also supported a 15-day waiting period.
And are background checks really a bad thing for someone to own a gun. I mean to drive a car you need to take a test and get a license. You need to be 16, sometimes 17 before you get behind the wheel. You have to have car insurance. You have to obey posted speed limits. You're not allowed to drink and drive. You can even have your license suspended or revoked...not because you are a felon, but because of non related driving offenses like underage drinking.
And the doubters will always bring up the 2nd Amendment, but never mention it begins with "well regulated". Not to mention the arms that the founders bared were muskets that took up to a minute to reload between shots.
Some of the others will say we need to protect ourselves from a Tyrannical government. I hate to be the barer of bad news, but our government has drones. If they want you dead, you're high powered assault rifle isn't going to save you.
And you can say what you want about me without really knowing who I am, but I believe in the 2nd Amendment. Before you bash me and vote me down, I ask only that you tell me what you feel the 2nd Amendment protects. Do we have the right to own a Nuclear Bomb? To extreme? Can I fly around in a fully loaded F-16? No, how about drive around in a tank? Can we own anything the begins with the words "Surface to Air"? A rocket launcher, a grenade thrower? Please tell me where your "line" is. Am I really that extreme because I believe the line is right before an automatic rifle which holds a clip with more than 10 rounds and your's is right after it?
And I know that guns don't kill people, people kill people. And I know that stricter gun laws won't end gun violence, the same way I know that laws against murder, didn't end murder. Laws against rape, didn't end rape...but does that mean we shouldn't have those laws?
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I'm sorry that you had to be
I'm sorry that you had to be on the receiving end of such a post. I've had that building in me for a long time, and I was kind of afraid it was going to generate hostility from you.
I did read in another comment from you that you wanted at least solutions. Hopefully you at least read my last paragraph, where my rhetorical questions brought up where the solutions need to be.
I do appreciate your ability to take the heat for asking a legitimate question from your mind.
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"Before you bash me and vote me down, I ask only that you tell me what you feel the 2nd Amendment protects."
Maybe you should read the actual amendment. The whole one sentence of it... It's pretty crystal sparkling clear. What is there to not understand about it?
So everyone can own a nuclear
So everyone can own a nuclear weapon?
Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
John Adams
The phrase...
"to bear" from that era has a sense of "wear" and "carry". To be luggable by a person.
grenades, portable rocket launcher, uzi, explosives, etc.
arms = "weapons of a warrior", "implements of war"
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~wobbles but doesn't fall down~
What?
Are you seriously trying to interpret what "to bear", "wear", and "carry" mean.
Your saying anything that is "luggable" by a person is legit.
So small chemical warfare bombs are protected by the second amendment?
that's nothing but a weak
that's nothing but a weak strawman argument.
My thoughts on the subject:
I'm fairly neutral on the issue, neither for nor against.
I can see the argument here about protecting yourself, your family and property from criminals.
If the criminal has some heavy weapons and you are stuck with some government approved pea shooter, chances are you are gonna get killed. I see the logic in that, it makes sense.
Of course, if the government wanted you dead, and by government I mean the CIA, DoD, they would not use a gun, nor would a gun protect you in the least. Just ask Phil Schneider...
your fear of firearms isn't
your fear of firearms isn't my problem. I suggest you find a way of getting over your fears.
300,000,000 people killed at the hands of their governments in the last 100 years would disagree with you.
Your fear of Government isn't
Your fear of the government isn't my problem. I suggest you find a way of getting over your fears.
Billions of people killed by the hands of bacteria would disagree with you.
only a slave would fear the
only a slave would fear the government, not a free man. Let's see who is afraid when you are cowering in a FEMA camp.
What's wrong with a little syphilis?
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Great answer.
If you can't understand the concept of "giving an inch"
I'm afraid I can't help you, but enjoy only having sex only on Tuesdays.
Yep. Give them some cookies
Yep. Give them some cookies and then they want some milk. Or on tuesdays, nookie. :)
goldstock
You dont believe in the 2nd amendment and you dont believe in one choosing their self defense.
This 3:00 minute interview with Ted Nugent sums up my view on guns.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCHtw6WbbnM
" . . I dont need the document, and I dont need another man telling me I dont have the right to defend my life . . . ."
I dont need the Constitution!!!
This isnt even a 2nd amendment argument!!!!
It's a self defense argument.
Sandy Hook or no Sandy Hook, if I want to own an AK47 - I WILL!!!! so! get out of my face!!
Gwinnett County Georgia
War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson
I don't know what is going on
I don't know what is going on with the daily paul but over the past month or so I find these stupid, idiotic, non liberty posts. One similarity with all of them is that the posters all have been members for 1 year 1 day, 1 year 2 days, etc. All within a few days of each other. If the powers that be on the DP were to look more closley into this I bet they would find some kind of a link. Or am I just being paranoid?
Oh how I wonder, oh how I worry
And I would dearly like to know
How all this squander of earthly plunder
will leave us anything to show
Paranoid
Also illogical...
Some people look at geologic features of Mars and see real faces that aliens MUST have carved in.
Others look at geologic features of Mars and see mountains and canyons that coincidentally look like faces and say to themselves, "Well, I guess with all the different geologic properties on Mars, some of them are going to look like faces."
In other words, sometimes there are real patterns in the world that real conclusions can be made from. And other times, something might look like a pattern; but is actually a statistical anomaly that is destined to exist due to the laws of probability.
go learn history, boy.
go learn history, boy.
I guess just paranoid...One
I guess just paranoid...One Year, One Month...just a guess, but that was right when the Republican Primaries started heating up.
Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
John Adams
What's wrong with gun control?
"The right to bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED"
The founders were also talking about a printing press when giving you the right to free of the press but that still applies to internet and TV.
The introduction the second amendment states the reason for the second amendment, that being that a strong army of the people is necessary for freedom. It is not allowing for regulation, hence the word INFRINGED.
Our Rights have already been infringed and that my friend is the line between treason and governance. The line for using force to protect my right is when I am directly confronted with force directed towards violating my Constitutional Rights. If my life is in clear and present danger I may feel compelled to use deadly force. Hence the saying, FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS!
"Any man worth his salt will stick up for what he believes right, but it takes a slightly better man to acknowledge instantly and without reservation that he is in error." - Andrew Jackson
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double comment
"Any man worth his salt will stick up for what he believes right, but it takes a slightly better man to acknowledge instantly and without reservation that he is in error." - Andrew Jackson
Quick, Save Face......
Tell everyone your post is just a joke ;)
All EVIL is being done in the guise of "Some people being better than others." Because: Some ainmals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-
What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks
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roflmao!
Hes testing to see which libs that are here show up on the bandwagon!
LL? that you? Weebles? Fishyculture? Bob 45? Mbennett?
which of you cloaked libs wrote this?
bwaaaahahahahhaha!!
"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!
Rand Paul 2016
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roflmao!
Hes testing to see which libs that are here show up on the bandwagon!
LL? that you? Weebles? Fishyculture? Bob 45? Mbennett?
which of you cloaked libs wrote this?
bwaaaahahahahhaha!!
"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!
Rand Paul 2016
lmao
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jrd is still here... kinda in a weird sort of way. She also just might be the happiest girl in the world because she got exactly what she wanted which was a perfect summer wandering playlist.
So Frustrating!
So frustrating to hear people say "Well why do you NEED that type of weapon?" "Why do you NEED a clip with more than 10 rounds." UGHHHHHH... What an utterly irrelevant question... I might as well ask, "Why does a drag queen NEED 5 inch heels? You could hurt yourself in those, they should be banned." "Why does anyone NEED to drive a Hummer? They're so big and waste so much gas.. they should be banned." The POINT IS THAT THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY PEOPLE! There are very few things we NEED, but that does not mean that anyone has the right to deny us access to them. To this question I always want to respond, you either believe in individual freedom or you don't.
As good ol' Dr. Paul would say- a little gun control
is like being a little pregnant.
You need assault weapons* to defend yourself in cases of more than one attacker, or you’re a bad shot. * “Assault weapon” is a term created by the media. All guns can be used for assault or defense. There are over 18,000 home invasions every year which shows a need for home security.
For those affected by gun violence- tragedy can not be legislated away. There are 32,000 car accident fatalities a year. Most of us have been affected by those, but we still drive cars.
There already are background checks to try to keep bad people from buying guns. Restrictions on magazines don’t prevent accidents, stupidity or crime, they just set precedent for more restrictions. The 2nd amendment says the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Even if you hate guns, others still have the right to own them without infringement. Even if we hate satan worshippers, the 1st amendment says they can still practice their religion (provided they hurt no one else). Who’s place is it to pick and choose which right is acceptable? Which shall prevail, the rule of law or mob rule?
Actually 40% of all gun sales
Actually 40% of all gun sales do not require a background check.
Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
John Adams
An assault weapon.......
Could even be a spatula.
The only thing is there hard to load....
All EVIL is being done in the guise of "Some people being better than others." Because: Some ainmals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-
What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks
the only sentence in this
the only sentence in this post that matters is: "Am I really that extreme because I believe the line is right before an automatic rifle which holds a clip with more than 10 rounds and your's is right after it?"
no automatic rifles are legal anywhere or have been since prohibition. so you reveal you have no familiarity with your subject. this disqualifies you to hold an opinion on it which anyone should regard as credible.
the second part of the above statement is that clips with more than 10 rounds are not needed. why do police officers have standard clips with more than ten rounds? because they might face more than one armed attacker. anyone defending a home or business from invasion would face the same threats that a police officer would face.
felons are already barred from owning firearms. strict laws exist in many states and locales. unless you want to institutionalize the mentally ill and strip them of their rights, you really have no grounds to invade their privacy. if they're a danger with guns they're a danger in general and shouldn't be walking around the streets. so if you want them on the streets and to have the full rights of citizens to vote, to drive, to own hammers and knives and to wander the streets muttering to themselves, then yes, sorry, but it isn't appropriate for you to single out on their right to buy a firearm: you have decided in an overall sense that they are sane, and that decision comes with the risk that they will harm others in all kinds of possible ways. they don't lose their rights without due process.
so we've really narrowed it down to one proposal that you can still cling to, limiting the size of magazines. its a silly idea. it will hamstring individuals facing groups of attackers and do nothing to slow down a mass shooter attacking scattered unarmed individuals who can simply load a new clip. i wouldn't support it. but if you are weak minded and emotionally shallow and just feel the need to pass some goofy laws to make you feel better and to allow you, in good conscience, to avoid the real social ills that lead to random massacres, then go ahead. get the law before the legislature and let the chips fall where they may. there are certainly plenty of other fools out there along with all of the aforementioned mentally ill voters wandering about.
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