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What's wrong with a little gun control?

I don't believe anyone is coming for your guns. I understand that there are people that might want that, but it's just not going to happen. I have no problem with stricter laws. Sorry, but we don't need AK 47's. And guess what, nothing suggested in any of the current proposals would even mean that you'd have to give up yours if you had one. These were the same views Reagan had:

In 1986 he signed the Firearm Owners Protection Act. It banned ownership of any fully automatic rifles that were not already registered on the day the law was signed.

As governor of California, Reagan signed the Mulford Act, which prohibited carrying loaded firearms in public.

He also supported a 15-day waiting period.

And are background checks really a bad thing for someone to own a gun. I mean to drive a car you need to take a test and get a license. You need to be 16, sometimes 17 before you get behind the wheel. You have to have car insurance. You have to obey posted speed limits. You're not allowed to drink and drive. You can even have your license suspended or revoked...not because you are a felon, but because of non related driving offenses like underage drinking.

And the doubters will always bring up the 2nd Amendment, but never mention it begins with "well regulated". Not to mention the arms that the founders bared were muskets that took up to a minute to reload between shots.

Some of the others will say we need to protect ourselves from a Tyrannical government. I hate to be the barer of bad news, but our government has drones. If they want you dead, you're high powered assault rifle isn't going to save you.

And you can say what you want about me without really knowing who I am, but I believe in the 2nd Amendment. Before you bash me and vote me down, I ask only that you tell me what you feel the 2nd Amendment protects. Do we have the right to own a Nuclear Bomb? To extreme? Can I fly around in a fully loaded F-16? No, how about drive around in a tank? Can we own anything the begins with the words "Surface to Air"? A rocket launcher, a grenade thrower? Please tell me where your "line" is. Am I really that extreme because I believe the line is right before an automatic rifle which holds a clip with more than 10 rounds and your's is right after it?

And I know that guns don't kill people, people kill people. And I know that stricter gun laws won't end gun violence, the same way I know that laws against murder, didn't end murder. Laws against rape, didn't end rape...but does that mean we shouldn't have those laws?

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exactly...if police NEED that

exactly...if police NEED that firepower...don't you think the day could come where a citizen would need the same firepower?

The DHS is buying billions of rounds of hollow points, at the same time telling US citizens to disarm?

Yeah right....not in this lifetime.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

So now that you've shot down

So now that you've shot down everyone of my ideas, what ideas do you have that would make our children safer. What can we do to make going to the movies or the mall or to kindergarten or to college, just a little bit safer than it currently is?

Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
John Adams

That same question

Was raised after 911, and look where that led.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

ideas to make the children

ideas to make the children safer?

1) Have the government stop killing them with drones overseas.
2) Stop eating GMO food
3) Stop putting poisons in the water supply
4) Get rid of the fraudulent and paid for 'food pyramid' that is horrible nutritional advice and makes them fat.
5) Stop spending money we don't have so they aren't slaves at gunpoint from another country one day
6) Stop putting them on the psychotic drugs that cause suicides and mass murders.

Shall I keep going?

Newsflash for you...there are RISKS in life. Almost 200,000 people die from hospital mistakes a year. Tens of thousands die in auto accidents. Thousands drown. Learn to deal with it.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

There's no such thing

As a "little" gun control.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

Seriously, so you think because the founders

used muskets which was the gun of the time the 2nd amendment does not apply to certain guns now.

Also you left off the second half of the 2nd amendment.."the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"

Have you read the news..In New York state they are coming for the guns. No grandfather clause. Turn them in or become a criminal in the eyes of the law.

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"[...]or become a criminal in the eyes of the law."

"[...]or become a criminal in the eyes of the law."

Yes, The Law.

"Dura lex, sed lex."

Just more specifically for the OP, with link:

The Law PERVERTED.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

I'm not going to down vote

I'm not going to down vote you, insult you, or anything of that matter. Just answer me this one question:

Where has gun control worked?

Tyrants everywhere agree...

gun control works great, it makes despotism much more efficient and much less risky.

Check out the Laissez-Faire Journal at LFJournal.com


"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

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Oh yeah.

Oh yeah.

One can always ask any relative to one of these 260 MILLIONS unarmed people...

... B U T C H E R E D in complete anonymity, BY THE TONS at a time, and by the arbitrary of their time's ruler.

Oh, and yes, in just one century.

Gun control: all about a very specific kind of ... EFFICIENCY.

Indeed.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

there is no such animal as an

there is no such animal as an assault rifle. you should be able to tell from the nature of the word that it is just a political scare word. there are automatic and semi-automatics. automatics have been illegal since the 30s. semi-autos have been around since the 1870s or some such. there are no other forms of firearm. the spooky looking semiautomatics you see on teevee are used in a miniscule number of crimes, and are functionally the same as any other firearm with a magazine that you don't need to cock in between shots.

so if you want to repost this without reference to non existent assault rifles we could proceed with a further discussion. you might say "why should anyone be allowed to have a semiautomatic rifle or handgun," to which we might be able to reply. but since assault weapons don't have an actual existence the discussion must break down at that point until we have a common terminology.

Semantics

In a strict definition, a firearm must have at least the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle:

It must be an individual weapon with provision to fire from the shoulder
It must be capable of selective fire;
It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle;
Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable magazine.
And it should at least have a firing range of 300 meters

I'm guessing most people on here get my drift without having to have a word off between Webster's and and Merriam.

Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
John Adams

It is a good question...Where

It is a good question...Where do we draw the line. I'll give you my take: The context of the 2nd ammendent is the right to defend against tyranny. From goverment or where ever. If law enforcement is allowed to have it so should all americans. If military has it so should it be available to all americans. If Obama will restore the possacomitatus as it should be I do not beleive we would need the same weapons as the military. But in keeping with the context of the 2nd ammendent...we need the same ability as our adversaries. period!!
This is the way it was in 1776 and the only way to usure the 2nd ammendment provides the rights intended. Tell the next yo yo that says we want a nuclear bomb in or back pocket...We only want the same even playing field as our potential adversaries. Meaning you damn right we need a nuclear bomb in our pocket!!

I replied to a specific post of yours here, earlier...

...however, I feel obliged to state that this thread by you, along with a plethora of posts by others in other such threads, indicate that this purported 'liberty movement' is a sad-farce, if those like you are used as a measure.

Sickening and pathetic, to any man who understands liberty.

Damned glad I am an individualist, not a part of a 'movement', such as you represent.

With all due respect, I'd be

With all due respect, I'd be happy to be outed from a movement that has no desire to protect our children...my children..people that don't give a damn if someone's child is taken away by gun violence. Do people on here really not care that our children are being slaughtered? I understand your desire for liberty and freedom, but that shouldn't infringe on my right to life. All I'm asking is for a better solution than just crossing your fingers and wishing really, really hard that our kids are safe...But nobody seems to have an alternative suggestion.

Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
John Adams

LOL

Come on now. How many kids die by drowning? Should we ban swimming pools? How many kids die in car accidents? Should we ban cars? How many kids eventually die by diabetes complications or heart disease? Should we ban fast food?

Do you not care about kids??

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Freedom - Peace - Prosperity

Yes, Barack...

...think of the 'chillins'.

Pathetic, you disgust me.

YOU protect YOUR children, not 'ours' and I will take care of MINE.

You are a naught but a collectivist and you are every bit as dangerous to liberty as is Obama, Pelosi, Bush, Cheney, Schumer and any plethora of others.

As I see it.

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I long for a time when

I feel that the government's weapons are also the people's weapons. On that day, I would still see no need to disarm our citizens.

You want a musket? Have at it. Make your bed, then hide under it.

Why aren't you on here suggesting an overhaul of our judicial system instead?

Why aren't you suggesting a little control for about a million other things that are wrong with the USA right now? Oh sure, 15 round clips are the problem right? Get real!... McFly! McFly!

I don't have fond memories of reagan or his idiot wife.

My bad. I didn't realize I

My bad. I didn't realize I was required to post my entire manifesto before focusing in on a specific topic.

Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
John Adams

Get The Hell Out Of Here! What I Own Is My Business And Not Your

I will own whatever gun I want to and as many as I want to.

It is none of your concern unless you are the one knocking on my door to steal them.

Break down my door and then you will die.

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Honest question, so do you

Honest question, so do you believe you, your neighbor and anyone else has the right to own a nuclear weapon. And if so, is that still non of my business?

Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
John Adams

Do you think the richest people in the world don't own all...

Do you think the richest people in the world don't own all kinds of shit that you don't want me to have?

What can Prince Harry own... an attack helicopter. Can he fly it in the US, hell yes he has.

What about a Rockefeller, can he own a fighter jet, with bombs via one of his numerous corporate entities... hell yes they can and they do.

Which corporations build and assemble the Nuclear weapons? Do they have people who possess them? Hell yes.

Anyone with the proper incorporation paperwork, tax stamps and other miscellaneous approvals from various government around the world (that they own) can do whatever the hell that they want.

Why not me?

I can't afford a nuclear weapon but a militarized 4x4 and a full auto AA12 would be nice and I think I could manage it without hurting anyone.

Who the hell are you to tell me what I can and can't have when you seem to approve of certified government idiots having the same?

Are you just stupid?

GET OUT OF HERE COMMIE!

I HATE COMMUNISTS AND TRAITORS TO AMERICA!!! YOU SUCK COMMIE!!! You will NEVER BRAINWASH THE LIBERTY MOVEMENT INTO YOUR SLAVERY!!! Go live in another country!!! We were founded with freedoms AND WE WON'T ALLOW YOU TO TAKE THEM AWAY FROM US!!! WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND OURSELVES WITHOUT YOUR PERMISSION!!!! MEDIA TROLL!

Because I don't want you to

Because I don't want you to own a semi automatic rifle without a proper background check, does that really make me a traitor? Wow, I really thought I was allowed to have an opinion in this country without being labeled a traitor...and for the record, not that I'm a communist (registered republican if you must know) but as a free American, I do have the right to register under any political party I choose. And yes, I could even register under the communist party...That's what makes this country so great.

Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
John Adams

Yes

You are free to be an idiot. And it is clear you are exercising that freedom.

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Freedom - Peace - Prosperity

You obviously have no clue what you are talking about

because automatic firearms are heavily restricted to the point they become unaffordable. A select fire m-16 costs 15k plus the tax to own it, plus all the paperwork. You do not seem to understand that automatic weapons are already controlled. Nobody can just go out and buy one.

What about the 1st amendment? Back in the day there was no tv, what gives us the right to have news on TV or even the internet? What about religion? Many religions were not around when the 1st amendment was written.

“When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.” – Dresden James

A little gun control...

A little gun control would be preferable to what we have now, which is a whole lot too much gun control.

Mark

This guy's a troll. Probably

This guy's a troll. Probably a liberal looking for some sensationalist story to publish on some idiotic gun-grabber website.

I tell him why a semi-auto rifle is vastly better for home defense than a pistol, and his response is: "It almost sounds like you want somebody to break into your house just so you can use that gun and kill somebody."

This is the kind of jackass liberal imposter that goes around trying to paint people who believe in self defense as "crazy" or "blood thirsty" for their lame-stream media bosses.

Is it even worth mentioning the hypocracy of someone who is willing to use armed thugs to murder and steal the property of good people in the disarmament process? This guy didn't come here to get info or debait. He came here to troll like a prestitute.

Ignore him.