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Antidepressants and School Shootings, Suicide, Addiction

Collection of clips on negative side effects of antidepressants. This is from 2007, so this is known and has not been addressed. Seemingly, and appropriately, legislators are in shock listening to testimonials from families. It's bizarre and unnatural for 12yr olds to commit suicide.

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That's groovy and all but it

That's groovy and all but it does not address the amounts of estrogen and estrogen mimicking compounds in plastic beverage bottles and in water itself. The levels of testosterone in western males has been dropping quite a bit in recent times, and this can't be due to drinking alcohol, because men didn't just start drinking alcohol 40 years ago. There's much more going on.

Anyway, it is known that gluten causes all sorts of health problems that can come and go, including anxiety attacks, depression, beer or grain bellies, double chins, double butts, old lady arms, spare tire neck, etc. etc. etc.

And the candida overgrowth that tends to come along with grain and sugar consumption can cause major hormonal disruption along with all of the other problems it causes.

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I agree with you on effects

I agree with you on effects of gluten.

As far as comparison between estrogenic effects of hops vs leaching plastics...I would say it's night and day. If you know of a study that compares or ranks them, I'd like to see it.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

I found it interesting that

I found it interesting that that study found estrogen in wine and whiskey as well. Those don't have hops in them.

I read years ago that the amount is estrogen in hops was very low, and the amount that made it in the final beer was really very low. And all of these studies have been done regarding estrogen in tap water, plastics causing problems etc. But I have no idea which has what amount. I just know that it's all bad news. Anyway, I don't drink any of those three beverages any longer. Only potato vodka for me.

Here's an example of what grains can do.

http://www.elespectador.com/files/images/201205/799a0ed69f6f...

*warning* This photo is not for the young or the weak.

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Just as a note for all you

Just as a note for all you brewers, I have it buy my Crystal malt. I'm not at that point yet. But I will be some day. mwahahaahaahhaahahahahahah

As a matter of fact this beer

As a matter of fact this beer I have now is almost EXACTLY like Newcastle. Just ask my UPS man : ) he cam in and tried it and he was like "This tastes like Newcastle" I was all like wooooooooooooooot!!!!!

That's what I was looking for.

I finally got my own recipe... (but newcastle is actually 2 beers mixed so it's hard to copy)

Which hops and malts are you

Which hops and malts are you using? You using liquid yeast?

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I use liquid yeast yes. I

I use liquid yeast yes. I save it for about 5 batches, For my browns I use British Ale II and for my Hefes I use Weihenstephan.

Malts I just use wheat and pilsner for the hefe and for the brown I use mostly 2 row but I have 10 and 60 crystal and a little bit of chocolate malt.
For the brown I use Kent Goldings and for the hefe I use Hallertauer.

Right on. I miss homebrewing.

Right on. I miss homebrewing. I loved it, but it didn't love me. ;-)

I used to be bad a$$ at recipe formulation etc. Won many awards back in the day, early 90s. Have you ever made Altbier? I'm trying to remember the malts that I found that made that style rock. I think a mix of a bit of Munich and honey malt, with a touch a crystal and mostly pils malt. Get the hops right, of course Hallertau, Tettnang and Perle are wonderful but Spalt kicks butt for this style, and you've got something. Towards the end, I got the Belgian styles figured out, (it's not the yeast), but was never able to really get every far.

They have hop strains out now that I've never heard of. I go to a homebrew supply site these days and feel like I have no idea what's going on.

Now days, it's potato vodka with sparkling water and lemon...

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You're looking at doing some

You're looking at doing some complicated beers there. I can appreciate that. Personally, I like to stick to more simple beers but perfect them to the best of my ability. I have my brown recipe down. Now all I need is to work on roasting the adjunct malts on my own. That is the hard part. I want to get to the point the where I can malt my own grains but I know crystals are going to be difficult.

As it is now. I buy all my adjuncts. Just no time nor ability to make them. But I DO make a damn good brown. It is my best for sure.

I am going to do a Barleywine within the next few months though. I came up with a pretty decent recipe. I'm hoping it'll have about a 20 year shelf-life. I just need to buy some wine bottles. I'm not going to use any of my fliptops for something I might not drink for 10 or 20 years.

And of course my corny kegs are out of the question. I need those for all my other beers. only have 3 Cornys : /

Actually, if you can do

Actually, if you can do browns and so on you could do Trappist styles. And with cooler fermentation temps and clean yeast, Altbier and Koelsch would be doable as well.

I was never big on barley wines. Now I know why. Extreme concentration of gluten compared to many other beers. Wheat beers have a ton of gluten as well. I was puzzled as to why I would drink a few of those and feel like complete sh1t. I gravitated toward German pils. Interestingly, those tend to have the lowest amount of gluten. Now I understand what was going on.

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Yeah, I should stop drinking,

Yeah, I should stop drinking, Yo are right. It's hard though. I love and will never stop brewing. That's the problem. I gotta taste it and when I taste the deliciousness I want more. I give a lot of it away but I would feel like an idiot if I gave all my brew away. So I have it in a keezer, and I pour a glass... and the glasses keep coming. It's too delicious to stop!

I brew light brown Ales (kinda like Newcastle) and Hefe Weissens. Those are my specialties.

At least you'll have

At least you'll have something to barter with when the SHTF.

If it's good stuff you should go commercial.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

Oh I have way better stuff

Oh I have way better stuff than that.

My Story

I'm here to tell you I went on an antidepressant recently because I was dealing with some mild anxiety going through a rough patch with a lot of life changes and I was having a hard time coping. I was on it for about three months and during that time I plunged into a serious depression, I was unable to get out of bed most days and later it began to escalate to thoughts of suicide. I also began having violent thoughts about others and often found myself seriously considering harming my best friend (WTF!).

What happened to me is that I ended up finding a distraction and became very busy for a few weeks in December and stopped taking the drugs without noticing. Since I have been off them about six weeks now and my "depression" has completely disappeared and so have my thoughts of suicide.

I am not saying that they do not benefit some, but you need to be under close supervision when on them, and physicians shouldn't give them out so wantonly, which many most certainly do. I had a physician once try to put me on SSRIs just because I came into his office for something completely unrelated and he thought I was jittery.

Thank you so much for telling your story.

And you nailed it - distraction is a long proven treatment for all sorts of "mental disorders." But that does not make anybody any money.
You are very lucky, I came off them too fast and went from suicidal to bat shit crazy for a while. Fun stuff. All this to treat simple situational sadness - mom was dying and my daughter was leaving the state for college. The pill cured neither of those conditions.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

Some of those nasty prescription drugs...you can't "just quit"

It would be advisable to at least try to talk to your doctor about it.
Though most often they will refuse to treat you if you want off of the drugs from which they make their living. So you may want to SLOWLY stop taking them. Cut the dose in half for a week, then half that...and so on, while at the same time starting up an herbal alternative.
Many times when people just stop taking one of these drugs that is when all hell breaks lose and something very bad can come of it.
Just saying...because I have known many people that were taking these BS drugs, and witnessed first hand what can happen. It ain't pretty.

RAND PAUL or NOT AT ALL

I agree. I always talk to my

I agree. I always talk to my doctor and make sure anything they give me is something useful and I know the side affects. I was on celexa once and I got off of that immediately. It was terrible.

BTW, those "electrical jolts"

BTW, those "electrical jolts" that person said at the end. I have felt those myself. They are very random and just kind of feels like your skull is pulling on your brain then goes through your body then it's over. It's not pleasant but neither are panic attacks.

I have been on effexor off and on for 3 years. And I never had any trouble. I got off it the last time because I felt I was OK and slowly got weened off of it. But after about a year I got a few very hardcore panic attacks and had to get back on it. I don't want to take it but it helps. I assume once I am free of feelings of panic attack I'll stop taking it again and hope I don't get any more panic attacks. We'll see. Honestly, I think the xanax hekps me more than anything but you know how doctors are. They consider xanax a narcotic so they are careful with it. I get a 10 refill scrip on my effexor but I have to see the Dr. every time to get my xanax. I dunno. I just think xanax or ativane would be fine and take care of any of my problems but apparently what they want is for the effexor to take care of it so I don't ever have to use xanax. I don't see that happening but whatever. I know some people use xanax to get high but I honestly never got high from it except for when I first took it (and it really fucked me up). I was given a normal dose and it made me feel really high so I started taking half a dose then later I talked to my doctor and we decided half a dose was fine. Now I just take half what she first proscribed and they help a lot. Sometimes I have to take more than normal but that is only if I am feeling really jittery.

In any case, I'd love to take just xanax when I need to but unfortunately the fucking drug addicts who snort way more than the normal dose fucked that shit up for people who really need it.

Whatever, that's just my case. DO I like taking effexor, no. Does it make me want to kill, no. I've stopped taking it before and i did it slowly and I was fine. Now, I'm sure it makes a HUGE difference with teenagers. Who the hell wasn't a huge idiot when they were a teenager? I don't see why you'd ever give a teenager psychotic drugs. There are too many crazy hormones running around to start screwing with it. There are many kids who are depressed when they are teenagers. It's called fucking high school! Being an outcast in high school is the new norm. Of course the preppy, rich, jock kids are happy, they don't ever have to do shit and get everything handed to them on a silver platter because the teachers in school go right along with the kids. They love the popular kids and shit on the others. Teachers, don't deny it's true.

IN short, these drugs are helpful for some and after watching the video I agree to an extent but these drugs are the same as many others. You have to have the right mindset before taking them. I did LSD quite a few times when I was a teenager and every time I did it it was either bad or good depending on where I was and how the atmosphere was. I see this as the same thing.

You can't give a teenager some drug that's going to fuck with his head when a teenager's head is already fucked up to begin with. In my mind it's all about the person's true mental state. Someone who wants to kill themselves will and no amount of drugs will make that any different. These drugs are for people who have mild problems who are able to cope with their lives but may have a few problems or some sort of depression.

That's my opinion because I am on them and I understand how they work. I could see someone who is not able to cope being pushed further because of the drugs but for those who have problems that are not completely out of control they seem to work. At least for adults that is. Teenagers should never be on these drugs. That's my opinion. There is no need. You can't diagnos a teenager with anything because every teenager is fucked up. It's just stupid to put a teenager on any kind of psychotic medication unless you know for a fact that they have something like schizophrenia.

the difference

Medicine USED to be predicated on the Hippocratic Oath: First, do no harm.
The very notion that a drug can come to market with a LABEL that it may be fatal is anathema to true healing. Other medications get pulled off the market when a fatal side effect is discovered, or even a serious one. All these drugs got was a "black box warning" and everyone thinks "that can't happen to me" including the prescribers. I nearly died from the side effects. Here is the thing, once labelled "mentally ill" you cannot complain of these side effects without getting told you are even crazier than they first thought. If a blood pressure pill raised someone's blood pressure, they would be immediately told to stop the medicine. If insulin raised blood sugar levels, it would be stopped. With SSRIs, if you say they are making you suicidal you will likely be put in a cage and forcibly medicated until you stop complaining. Often, you stop complaining when you kill yourself.
I doubt you can get it, but if the opportunity arises, take ayahuasca. I used to suffer debilitating panic attacks, my "fight or flight" response was WHACKED. A friend provided me a unique opportunity, and I have been free of the worst symptoms since.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

You know chemicals in ayahuasca are SRIs, right?

(Serotonin reuptake inhibitors)

I openly promote the use of psychotropic drugs for spiritual enlightment, medicine, and recreation, but you are being a hypocrite here. How can you simultaneously wage war against selective serontonin reuptake inhibitors while promoting ayahuasca, which has serotonin reuptake inhibitors, MAOIs, and other psychotropics?

I actually laughed when I read your comment. I upvoted you because I could never downvote anyone who advocates using ayahuasca, but come on Fishy, please stop being a hypocrite about drugs.

Yeah, I honestly have done

Yeah, I honestly have done some research on herbal remedies for them but as of right now I'm sticking on my meds. I do some day want to have some sort of herbal remedy because I am about self-reliance. I was thinking valerian. But I'm not sure. I have to get to the point to where I'm comfortable getting off of my meds again to try it out.

But, no I am totally open to natural remedies. Don't think because I am giving a positive post about the meds that I am praising them indefinitely. I know they aren't good which is why I got off of them the first time when I thought I no longer needed them. It turned out the attacks started again. Once I get more comfortable and feel like I won't have them anymore (again), I'll start growing some herbs that supposedly help with such things.

But when you say debilitating you are exactly right. Panic attacks are just that. It's hard to explain to someone who has never had them but they suck... big time.

In any case, I think the meds have their uses but I know they aren't for everyone. Teenagers should not be on them. People are to quick to give meds to teenagers when they don't need them. Do they forget how they were when they were a teenager? Perhaps they don't because they lived in a different world, but your teen years are fucked up.... I am sure they are over prescribed by like 90%

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I like valerian

A lot. Good luck trying to make the switch someday, it is a tricky one to make, but there is a lot of good information out there.

“I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
― Dr. Seuss

Yeah, thanks. There are some

Yeah, thanks. There are some other ones I'm looking at but I'm going to wait until the time is right to where I am comfortable without these meds again then I'll grow some of the plants I've read about. To me, valerian seemed the best but it's been a while since I have read on those types of plants so I'll have to go back and look.

In any case, they are just for emergencies. I went over a year without having one while I was off my meds and then all of a sudden they hit me hard for some reason.

Not one mention of the FDA

Not one mention of the FDA allowing these drugs on the market, when they are SUPPOSED to prevent things like this. This is a story about the FDA allowing bad drugs and not allowing the safe and natural alternatives. It's disgusting.

I didn't watch this but I am

I didn't watch this but I am getting kind of pissed about all of this drug and mental health shit. I'm on effexor and that is only because I get panic attacks. If you've ever had a panic attack you know it really has nothing to do with your mental state. They just happen randomly. I take that an xanax. The xanax is only for when I feel one might me coming on. In any case, I am not depressed and I have no emotional problems. I get panic attacks, that's it. It makes you feel like you are dying. You can be sitting there fine for one minute and then the next your heart rate goes up to like 160 beats per minute for no reason and you get light headed and just feel like you are going to die. It's like a heart attack but every time you go to the emergency room you discover that it's all in your head... or at least there is nothing "physically" wrong with you. So, I take effexor and I take xanax and I am not crazy and my prescription has nothing to do with anything mental in my opinion. Do they help me not have panic attacks? Yes they do. Do I ever want to go out and kill? No I don't. Should I be able to arm and protect myself? Yes I should. Why is it always so black and white with people on every issue? Why can't we just blame the person?

The drugs haven't made me kill anyone. I've never felt like killing anyone. I am who I am and of course I believe in defending the constitution and the second amendment and I will fight and die for it, but I don't want that to happen. I'm ready if it does happen. How does that make me any different than any other law abiding patriotic American?

Neither drug you're on is an SSRI

And not everyone who's on SSRIs experiences the problems they can lead to.

"Why can't we just blame the person?"

They're not using the drugs as a tool to commit murder, it's not like it is with guns where the guns are used as a scapegoat to absolve those responsible of any blame. There's a substantial difference, wherein one is the tool (guns) and the other may verifiably be why the person even thinks of committing murder in the first place.

Watch the video, please. It's less about people on SSRIs hurting others than it is about them hurting themselves. "Thought's of suicide" is a common side effect of taking these drugs. Does that make sense to you? Giving depressed people pills that might ultimately make them think about killing themselves? Why would it be such a stretch to think the very same medicine may want to make them kill other people? Would it be more appropriate if these drugs were labeled with the possible side effect of "thoughts of homicide" and do you think the pharma companies would actually put that shit on there?

Effexor is an SSRI

Effexor is an SSRI something.... SSRVI or whatever. But it doesn't matter to me. makes me feel better about it if it isn't. I did watch the video. I saw a lot of kids that were fucked up regardless of the drugs... except for maybe a few. I'm not claiming that they don't have a bad reaction with some people. I didn't say they don't. I'm sure they do. I just gave my own experiences with what I take. I'm not defending the pharmas whatsoever. In fact, I have a huge problem with them and not just for these kinds of drugs. I simply gave my own testimonial.

Effexor is a serotonin–norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor

It works on both both chemicals, but doesn't work on the first in the same manner as SSRI's do.

The point is your mileage may vary and your situation and experiences are not indicative of the whole. There's a lot of correlation between these medications and acts of violence perpetrated either against one's self or others. Regardless of whether you think these kids with depression are simply "fucked up" (which may be the most ignorant interpretation of the most common mental illness I've ever seen summarized to two words), the point is when you give someone medicine, you do so with the intent to alleviate symptoms of a condition, not make them worse. These drugs can, and often do, make those symptoms worse.

well I mean no disrespect but

well I mean no disrespect but I don't think there is a need to call me ignorant as I know very well that some kids are "fucked up" If you choose to disregard that fact then that is your problem. You don't know me and you know nothing about me save for what I already said. Some kids and some people are just fucked up. It's as simple as that. Other than that I agree with you. Now if you wish to insult me further we can continue this conversation. Otherwise, fuck off.

I said your interpretation in specific was ignorant, not you

So your irrational outburst has me puzzled. Maybe if you could define your use of "fucked up", I'd have a better understanding of what you were trying to say. Though if that's all it took to get you that worked up, I do have to wonder how much of that has to do with the meds you take, or if you were just "fucked up" already before you started taking them.

Yeah, sounds insulting doesn't it? Only you're here, the kids on SSRIs who committed suicide aren't around to dispute your claim, you coward.