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Antidepressants and School Shootings, Suicide, Addiction

Collection of clips on negative side effects of antidepressants. This is from 2007, so this is known and has not been addressed. Seemingly, and appropriately, legislators are in shock listening to testimonials from families. It's bizarre and unnatural for 12yr olds to commit suicide.

http://youtu.be/1XHNJyti1gE



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I'm only going to respond by

I'm only going to respond by saying "What claim?"

Saying someone is "fucked up"

Is far more insulting than I think you realize, especially when it comes to children. So what do you mean by the kids were fucked up already?

I didn't realize it was that

I didn't realize it was that difficult to understand. Have you ever seen someone walking down the street with no purpose, walking in dirty raggedy clothes, eyes glazed, talking , no shouting out loud to no one? That's fucked up. I mean do I really need to spell it out for you? Were those kids like that? Perhaps not. But who are you to say they didn't have the same "fucked upness"? We don't know if anything would have helped them do we? Did you do a study on these kids? Did you follow them around for 20 years? No you didn't. So, when I say they were fucked up.. I mean they were fucked up. Perhaps no pills would have helped them, perhaps the pills made them worse. How do you know? I only gave my own experience. I don't need an asshole like you coming up and using semantics about something that is obvious. Those kids were fucked up. Yeah I said it. I'll say it again. They were fucked up. Is that a good thing? No. Did those pills help them? Obviously not, but how do you know for a fact they hurt them? How do you know? Where is your scientific data?

"But who are you to say they didn't have the same

"fucked upness"?"

I'm no one, but I'd hope you'd take their parents' word for it in the video. Maybe I missed the part where they said "my kid walked aimlessly down the street shouting out loud at no one."

"Were those kids like that? Perhaps not."

"Those kids were fucked up. Yeah I said it."

Contradictory statements. Which is it?

You conflate schizophrenia with mild depression and I seriously have to question if you even know what you're talking about. If the difference between drifters yelling on the street and depressed teens isn't obvious to you, I think it's time you take your ass right back to the VA and ask for some new meds, as you're clearly showing signs of severe delusion.

Dude, a kid in my 6th grade

Dude, a kid in my 6th grade class killed himself by shooting a rifle in his stomach. Did anyone see it coming? No. Why did he do it? Who the fuck knows? Some people are just fucking stupid. It's pretty simple. Some people are either crazy or stupid and no amount of pills will help them. We don't know if it's the pills because plenty of people take the pills and do nothing. You can look at the shooters and see what they were taking and it really doesn't matter. For every 1 person who goes nuts from these pills 10,000 go about their daily routine. So, really.... is it the pills or is it the person? Really.... Which is more likely?

The fact is, neither you nor

The fact is, neither you nor I nor anyone really knows how fucked up they were. They were obviously fucked up enough to kill themselves or others. Did the pills do it? I dunno. Do you? I seems plenty of average kids take them and do just fine. SO perhaps. JUST MAYBE, those people were fucked up. And by fucked up I mean stupid and out of control. Not sure how else to put it. Is it that hard to accept that some people in this world are just fucking crazy and or stupid?

Clearly some people did know

Or else they wouldn't have given testimonials saying that their children weren't stupid or out of control.

Are you fucked up, crazy, stupid or out of control? Were you before you took your meds? If you commit suicide because of your meds will you make sure your family doesn't pursue legal recourse against the drug companies, and make sure that they know you just did it because you're fucked up, crazy, stupid or out of control? Should we continue placing blame on you instead of the drugs or perhaps an illegal war you had to fight? Do you really only suffer from panic attacks or do you walk down the street in dirty clothes yelling stuff for no reason as well?

I take my meds because of

I take my meds because of panic attacks. I can' speak for why those people put their kids on meds. Why don't you ask them. If they were so normal then why did they put them on meds in the first place?

I'm asking you

Are you fucked up, crazy, out of control or stupid?

Do I come off that way to

Do I come off that way to you? Have I threatened you? Have I threatened myself? Am I going off on a rampage? I think I am quite calm, so why do you ask?

I don't know, normal people don't have panic attacks.

Also, there was that rage-laden reply to me pointing out your ignorance. I think maybe in that moment you had the capacity to threaten me. I think by your own qualifiers, that'd make you fucked up, stupid, crazy or out of control, no?

Also, having depression, I need to go walk down the street and yell stuff since that makes me a schizo in your book. Be back later =)

Do you like people to tell

Do you like people to tell you that you are ignorant? I'll tell you now there are very few things I am ignorant about. You'd have to search hard to find something. Except math... yes I suck at math so don't even go there. I admit that now : )

perhaps but have I killed or

perhaps but have I killed or threatened to kill anyone? Have the countless other people on the same meds done the same? Nope. I like your strawman but it really doesn't work because we both know there is no way to prove one way or the other. I'm not saying they don't cause them to do it and I'm not saying they do. I'm simply asking why you call me ignorant when these people are obviously "fucked up". Are you saying they aren't fucked up? Well then by all means, please tell me how normal they were.

You're not normal

I'm not normal. What's a good example for normal?

Look around you, the evidence has been emerging for some time. There's tons of it linked to right here on the DP.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/psych-meds-linked-to-90-of-school...

The hole in your argument is that if the medication didn't have a correlation, wouldn't you expect more school shootings from people not on these meds?

What I am saying is there's solid evidence that the medication is responsible.

A vet commits suicide every 80 minutes, are you going to point blame solely at them for being "fucked up" or do you recognize the fact that the VA has been dropping the ball left and right for a decade now? You think there's no correlation? The Fort Hood shooter was a psychiatrist and likely self medicating on SSRIs. They give them to troops to beat back the inevitable PTSD and keep them combat-capable for longer. You and others are prime targets for the pharmaceutical companies when you get home. They just give you meds and hope for the best, and the best isn't happening.

Did you serve with anyone that committed suicide since? If you didn't see that these medicines are a nuisance, why are you yourself so anxious to get off them and go the herbal route?

I am anxious to get of of

I am anxious to get of of them because as I said I want to be self-sufficient entirely. Hopefully, I won't have another panic attack but if I do I want something there to take care of it which is why I will be growing some herbs for it. As far as your statistics go, they mean nothing. Correlation does not mean causation. As I said before, for every 1 person that does something while on these meds (and mind you not all these guys were) there are thousands who are on them and living their lives just and any other normal person would. And if you want to get into semantics about the word "normal" we can but I'm pretty sure you know what I am talking about.

And for every person who smokes crack

Only to have their heart explode, there's thousands of crack addicts that aren't dead. So does crack use not lead to heart problems?

"Gimme evidence!"

"Here you go!"

"This isn't good enough for me!"

I can't even tell if you're actually this ignorant or being incredibly obtuse on purpose.

I venture to say...YOU should consider something else maybe

BEFORE any of us have to allow any further infringement upon our second amendment rights. There are herbal treatments that do not carry a shopping list of side effects, in case you did not know.
EFFEXOR: http://www.drugs.com/sfx/effexor-side-effects.html
XANAX: http://www.drugs.com/sfx/xanax-side-effects.html
WHY would anyone even want to defend a drug that is KNOWN to cause the following?
•depressed mood, thoughts of suicide or hurting yourself, unusual risk-taking behavior, decreased inhibitions, no fear of danger;

•confusion, hyperactivity, agitation, hostility, hallucinations;

•feeling like you might pass out;

•urinating less than usual or not at all;

•chest pain, pounding heartbeats or fluttering in your chest;

•uncontrolled muscle movements, tremor, seizure (convulsions); or

•jaundice (yellowing of the skin or eyes).

Less serious side effects of alprazolam may include:

•drowsiness, dizziness, feeling tired or irritable;

•blurred vision, headache, memory problems, trouble concentrating;

•sleep problems (insomnia);

•swelling in your hands or feet;

•muscle weakness, lack of balance or coordination, slurred speech;

•upset stomach, nausea, vomiting, constipation, diarrhea;

•increased sweating, dry mouth, stuffy nose; or

•appetite or weight changes, loss of interest in sex.

This is not a complete list of side effects and others may occur. Call your doctor for medical advice about side effects.

I am getting VERY pissed that these drugs are not front and center in the conversation about what to do to help prevent any further mass shootings. Particularly when I am sure there are better alternatives to these known killer drugs.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/115874-herbal-alternatives...
http://www.healthboards.com/boards/alternative-medicine/6311...

WATCH THE VIDEO...PLEASE.
It could save your life.

RAND PAUL or NOT AT ALL

When the VA starts paying for

When the VA starts paying for those I'll let you know.

When the VA starts paying???

Give me a break.
You can harvest and dry most of these herbs yourself.
This stuff does grow wild. And if it doesn't grow in your area, you can always start a garden.
I think if I had a choice between trusting the BIG Pharmaceutical industry rather than just growing my own, I would go with the self sufficient method every freaking time. I not only do not trust the drug companies...I despise them. Most often you would do better to roll up a big old hog leg and kick back and relax anyway.
Why is it the harmless stuff is illegal, but they can peddle their poison openly? And why is it that the insurance companies and the VA are willing to pay for the poison.
One has to wonder?

RAND PAUL or NOT AT ALL

Just to let you know. I

Just to let you know. I appreciate your post and I'll tell you why the VA is so quick to give these drugs out. It's because it's the VA and the less people they have to deal with the better. They will throw a drug on anyone and hope for the best. That's kinda how they work. Don't get me wrong though. My meds have been working for me. I DO need to move on to herbal remedies though as soon as I can. I don't like being dependent on these meds.

I already grow all my own

I already grow all my own stuff. I replied without even really reading your post because it was pugnacious from the get go. After reading it, yes I know, I will do that once I am more stable in my situation. I was off them for about a year before the panic attacks came back. Im sure there will be a good amount of time if they come back. Hopefully they won't. But yes, I will have my own herbs growing before then. This has been in the plans for a while now.

Powerfully convincing

This is an excellent, short introduction to share with people who may still be unaware of the nightmare effects of SSRIs.

Thank you for posting.

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