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No Survivor is On Record as Actually Having Seen the Shooter or Shooters at Sandy Hook (and Where are the 2 Wounded Witnesses?)

Why release the surveillance video to determine if Lanza was the shooter and the only shooter? The question of who actually saw Lanza is hazy in some peoples' minds and deserves an answer. Any additional research welcome.

The only surviving staff who definitely saw or might have seen Lanza are two wounded witnesses. One is Natalie Hammond, wounded in the hand, foot and leg, whose statement has not been released and who has not been interviewed, and another adult, also wounded in the extremities, whose name I have not been able to find. (Help welcomed here!)

Apparently there was one other person interviewed by a Newtown Bee reporter and identified as principal Dawn Hochsprung who said:

"a masked man entered the school with a rifle and started shooting multiple shots"

The shots were "more than she could count..." she said.

IMAGE: NEWTOWN BEE SCREEN SHOT, PRINCIPLE INTERVIEW:
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Problem: Hochsprung was one of the first ones killed. call it possible "fog of war," mis-identification of interview subject. But the problem is we still don't know who it was that the Newtown Bee interviewed and allegedly saw the "masked" shooter. The Newtown Bee has scrubbed the page.

So we are left with no one but the two wounded staff, one of whom is Hammond. Other staff present, like Becky Virgalla, was told to "stay put" in a meeting room by Hochsprung when Hochsprung ran out of the room and saw a shooter. So Virgalla never actually saw Lanza.

We know there was a shooter or shooters. The question is was it Lanza? Or were there more than one? Why have the two most critical eyewitnesses been "disappeared" from the news? (No "Wounded Witness Speaking, Happy to be Alive"- type of stories.)

Ben Swann has said that previous instances of the government burying accounts of multiple shooters, as in the Batman shooting and at the Sikh temple in Wisconsin, calls for FULL DISCLOSURE. Citizens have begun the "Petition to demand release of the video footage." By White House rules, any petition reaching at least 25,000 signatures must be issued a written response from the White House. Please circulate.

Ben Swann: Release the Video
http://youtu.be/wZPS7AdgNgE

Various and Sundry: How did Gene Rosen know victims' names before list was released?

Gene Rosen, the "grandpa" who brought six children from Sandy Hook into his home while police and sirens were wailing and clogging up his streets since he lived right next to the Sandy Hook fire station, near the school, states in this interview (at about 1:50) that a woman came to his house at 12 o'clock that day looking for her child. He said when he looked at the victim list at 6 o'clock, the child was on it. The victim list was not released until 2 days later.

Gene Rosen interview:
http://youtu.be/wZQ3hPcxdQA

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She's supposedly

the school nurse. yah, i've heard her tell a few versions of that story as well

ONE WOMAN

one woman looked him right in the eyes in one report , then she changed her story that she might have seen some legs enter the room from underneath her desk.

such bs

"He's this eccentric Ghandi-Like figure that you cant touch with the normal bribes that people respond to."
the man Doug Wead on DR. RON PAUL

Interesting do you have links for these conflicting stories?

want to make sure we're not getting two different people mixed up, which is easy to do. But I do remember the "looked him in the eye" line as opposed to the seeing his boots from beneath a desk.

Release the Sandy Hook video.

 

Very starnge...

No "Wounded Witness Speaking, Happy to be Alive"- type of stories.

When Fascism goes to sleep, it checks under the bed for Ron Paul!

I would assume the local reporter already knew the principal

It's not a big town or a big paper. They had to already know who they were talking to. I suspect the reporter caught her on the way out the door and the media at large wouldn't follow up on it all.
As far as Gene Rosen goes, I think two things:
1) He's full of crap. He watched the news that day and called a channel with his made up story; the rest of the media gobbled it up too. (I knew a guy who called the news after watching a big story unfold for a few hours on a few different channels, picking up some names and relevant facts, and then identifying himself as a cousin of the subject of the story; and they believed him until it became quite obvious he was full of it) Which leads to,
2) The media seemed all too happy to not even had to have made up the Gene Rosen story, it was just as full of holes and nonsensical as their own reports but nobody even had to lift a finger for it. Or
1) He saw ghosts
2) The 6 kids from Ms Soto's class getting shot story is wrong and instead they were bussed to his driveway

Remember Bigfoot?!

I knew a man who claimed to have him trapped in a cave up in the mountains in NE Washington state! Yes, he got coverage in the newspapers for awhile---

Officials said she died while lunging at the gunman ~ an attempt

DAWN HOCHSPRUNG, Principal.

  • DAWN HOCHSPRUNG OBITUARY
    She had worked to make Sandy Hook a place of safety, too, and in October, the 47-year-old Hochsprung shared a picture of the school's evacuation drill with the message "safety first." When the unthinkable came, she was ready to defend.

    Officials said she died while lunging at the gunman in an attempt to overtake him.

  • DAWN HOCHSPRUNG Obituary Published in Connecticut Post on Dec 17, 2012
    Hochsprung, Dawn Dawn Lafferty Hochsprung, 47, of Woodbury, CT, passed Friday, Dec 14, 2012 as the result of the tragic events that unfolded at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, CT....
  • DAWN HOCHSPRUNG Obituary. Published in News Times on Dec 17, 2012
    Hochsprung, Dawn Dawn Lafferty Hochsprung, 47, of Woodbury, CT, passed Friday, December 14, 2012 as the result of the tragic events that unfolded at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, CT....

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

Principal Hochsprung in the news before & after death.

Dawn Hochsprung Friend, Security Company Owner, Seeks Input On School Safety. January 17, 2013
By DAVE ALTIMARI, daltimar@courant.com, The Hartford Courant

WOODBURY - Gerald Stomski remembers sitting in principal Dawn Hochsprung's office at the Mitchell Elementary School, discussing the unthinkable.

"We talked several times about what you would do if somehow a shooter got into the school and bullets started flying … The first thing she always said was 'not on my watch'" said Stomski, the town's first selectmen.

On Dec. 14, as he listened to a state police scanner document the shooting at Newtown's Sandy Hook Elementary School, Stomski said he knew exactly what Hochsprung would be doing – trying to stop the shooter from getting to her students.
got in anyway." ...

Hochsprung had left Mitchell for the principalship at Sandy Hook in 2010. She was one of the first killed during Adam Lanza's shooting spree. As Lanza shot his way into the school through a glass window at the front entrance, Hochsprung came running out of a conference room right into his path.

Lanza killed her and school psychologist Mary Scherlach before walking into two classrooms and gunning down 20 first grade students and their teachers and aides. All told, 26 people were killed within minutes.

Stomski has worked in the security field for 12 years. He owns Advanced Automated Security Systems LLC and has four patents pending regarding access control systems, particularly involving passenger screening for airports. He said he believes that airport security technology can be applied to schools.

He is now hoping to play a role in legislative efforts to improve school safety. Gov. Dannel P. Malloy has formed a committee to make recommendations and legislators are expecting multiple bills to be proposed.

Stomski said he hopes to address legislators if hearings are held and that he is determined to carry on Hochsprung's motto of "not on my watch."

"I hope we are not going to knee jerk our reaction,'' Stomski said. "There is not one thing that will solve this issue."

Stomski said part of the problem is that school's mostly rely on administrators, teachers or other support personnel to develop plans for their schools when they should be relying on security professionals.

"The details of security have to go to people in the field. Each school in each town is uniquely different in its security needs. There are different access points, different designs particularly with older schools,'' Stomski said.

One of his proposals is to create a double entrance with a vestibule protected by bullet proof glass. A school visitor would enter through the first door but have to be buzzed in by office personnel to get through the second. Another is to install real-time video streaming to police headquarters from school parking lots to alert police to suspicious visitors before they enter the school.

Region 14, which includes Woodbury and Bethlehem, is reviewing its security systems and has discovered areas that can be improved.

Stomski said during a recent lockdown drill, school district officials realized that announcements could not be heard in the cafeteria.

"Can you imagine if there was a shooter in the building and no one could hear any announcement that it is a lockdown situation?'' Stomski said.

Before she left for Sandy Hook, Hochsprung was in charge of the Region 14 application to get state funding from a grant established following the Virginia Tech shootings. In 2009, Region 14 received $14,000 from the state to help install a buzzer system at the two elementary schools in the district.

"Dawn was always worried about school security. We talked about it often and then for this to happen at her school." Stomski said. "I wouldn't be honoring her if I didn't try to make our schools safer for the next time the devil tries to get in."

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

Who saw Hochsprung do this?

Exactly who saw Hochsprung run at the gunman " with her bare hands" as it was stated?

Officials?

Really?

I would like to hear that from someone who was inside the building when all this happened and who actually saw her do this.

Maybe she did, maybe she didn't!

I remember a while back during the Gulf War 2 when private Jessica Lynch supposedly "emptied her weapon" at the Iraqis who ambushed her unit and killed just about all of those US troops.

NOT! It was totally fabricated to drum up further support back home.

It was all a lie ( I knew it was a lie for very obvious reasons as soon as I heard that )

And now this?

Anyone?

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

Write your own obituary. Doubtful others will do it better.

Unsubstantiated reports such as this... encourage so many, including myself, to write our own obituary. Do it now, while you still have a chance.

I cannot answer your question. Sorry.

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

FYI - WH petitions now require 100k for response.

Seems far too many petitions were reaching the 25k threshold. If 100k causes them to still have to address uncomfortable questions...it will be increased again. The point of being able to petition the government is to give you the illusion that they care about what you think. They don't.

http://venturebeat.com/2013/01/16/white-house-petitions-now-...

Petitions mean nothing

They just take down petitions they don't like. The petition filed by Orly Taitz was removed after one day.

They changed the "Petition to Demand" signers up to 100,000

signatures before they will give notice to them. It was in last week's news.

http://www.dailypaul.com/271207/whitehouse-further-restricts...

Adam Lanza didn't make into the mom's obit

Kind of weird, but maybe that's the degree of shame all this has put on that family

http://www.eagletribune.com/obituaries/x964855281/Nancy-J-La...

So now there is NO ONE on record as actually having seen

Adam Lanza.

Release the Sandy Hook video.

Lee Harvey Lanza

Lee Harvey Lanza

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

Please explain, see updated headline for clarity

...i.e seen the shooter or shooters at the school. Was Lanza a shooter? Were there more than one?

Release the Sandy Hook video.