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Mark Lynas - renowned anti-GMO activist now in favor of GMOs

As a farmer that utilizes GMO technology, I wanted to present an article from an environmentalist that helped to start the anti-GMO movement and how turning to science and being objective has changed his mind on the subject.

As a libertarian, what I chose to plant on my fields should be my decision. If I pollute rivers, damage my neighbors fields, then I should be held liable. My production should be allowed to be sold to anyone that wishes to purchase it. If you prevent me from this right, then I do not have the right to my property.

http://www.marklynas.org/2013/01/lecture-to-oxford-farming-c...

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I recommend to the OP a book published this month by Acres Magazine, Restoration Agriculture, by Mark Shepard. He builds on three authors (Ch. 3, Standing on the Backs of Giants): J. Russell Smith, Tree Crops: A Permanent Agriculture; Masanobu Fukuoka, The One-Straw Revolution; and Bill Mollison, creator of Permaculture. He shows how a small farm can be a net energy producer, build soil, resist climate and weather disasters, reduce labor, exceed the yields of green revolution agriculture (or GM) without chemical inputs, reverse the depletion of aquifers (if adopted widely), and stop the outcome of all known agricultural civilizations: the depletion of resources and collapse. It's a radical and brilliant vision: move from annual to perennial production of food for all of our proteins, oils, carbs, everything. The model is based on the most productive land-based biome, prevalent everywhere, the savannah. A very good read, that will transform the way you think about farming.

Federal Reserve Members get Congressionally fixed profits

They get 6% profit per annum on paid in reserves after expenses.

Spare no expense!

Anything over the 6% is a franchise tax paid to the US Treasury.

Congress can help its revenues by regulating competition and favoring members.

Congress with The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 institutionalization crony capitalism.

One hundred years later the creature has all but strangled the free market.

Free includes debt-free!

Can you guarantee that your plants won't pollinate

with your neighbors and with surrounding plants?

See, I can guarantee, that I won't pollute my neighbors land.. Nothing I do will ever cross into his yard.

I don't personally trust people who flip their allegiances. They should never have had one till they knew enough about it to make an informed decision.

Switching like that is a tactic to sway people, incrementally.

On top of his "story".. he has closed his comment section. That's also a well known tactic for smothering dissent online.

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GMOs, good or bad isn't the question.

Apply libertarian principles and the issue with gmos are resolved. Cross pollination court case should have gone in favor of the farmer, but the USA judicial system is falling apart and makes horrible decisions like that.

So the question is should you be able to decide what other people can or cannot purchase or sell? Or how they can sell?

GMOs may be harmful but if someone wants to take that risk to save a few bucks, well let them do it.

I've had a similar "discussion" on the logistics of roads

You are incapable of grasping the grand picture and why it's critical to everyone on the planet. It's no trivial matter and for you to sort of dismiss the possible harmful risks of GMO's, with which you bring it down to it's base argument of the individual.. which in itself is a very myopic view of the issue and it's greatness threat.

Stop taking risks with my frigging food so you can make a dollar. Liberty comes with responsibility.... so remember that when your strain, which may be genetically modified with special abilities that give it a gross advantage in the wild.

You're playing with lives and potentially a wold ecosystem which you have no right to do.

Maybe you should ask yourself in that mad dash to make a few extra dollars, whether, given the fact that you have the "right" to do something, you should actually do it.

So no..it is not necessarily libertarian to do what you say.

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the laws are in place but not followed.

In a libertarian society, anything that damages another's property should be held accountable. Release of a gmo that causes harm is the responsibility of the person that chose to plant it. Sue them, take anything for your damages, the rest of the farmers won't plant that again and the gmo will go off the market. But bc this isn't a libertarian society well you get what you have today.

And your frigging food is only yours after you have purchased from me, until then it is mine.

I knew you were incapable of understanding the scope

of the problem.

Yes if we're talking about YOUR food alone and YOUR ecosystem you would be right but I am now.. I'm talking about a "monster" of a plant that has been genetically altered to be stronger than it's counterpart.

Do you have the first clue as to what has happened in history when a dominant species has been introduced into a much weaker ecosystem? I have a feeling you do but you just don't give a shit.. That leads me full circle to what I said earlier.. You MAY have the right to do something but that doesn't mean it's a good idea to do it. That's where the responsibility comes in.

If you want to sell your frankenfood go right ahead and 20 years down the road if or when we have a world of issues with food degradation and they finally find out or admit that GMO's actually are harmful, we'll throw people like you a big party.

I vote for at least transparency. I have a right to know what's in my food.

Just out of curiosity... are you dealing in the deathbean?

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yes i plant roundup ready soybeans.

No one was willing to purchase our conventional soybeans. Countries in europe have too many trade barriers thus not making it viable.

Transgenic soybeans arent spreading around like the plague and this after 20years of planting it. Crops are like cattle, if it werent for humans they would go extinct.

Look, find a solution that falls in line with the libertarian principles. Just try and not use the gov tp accomplish your goals is all i ask for.

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no one is willing

to purchase our conventional soybeans?
why is that?
what other countries allow monsanto crap
besides america?
i see a bigger market for non gmo seed
not the other way around
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

all of south america's main growing regions

I live in south america and all major ag countries down here allow transgenics. The market for conventional beans is too weak to warrant the extra cost of planting conventional beans in a field with a high weed population. At any point that the market starts to offer us farmers the necessary compensation for conventional beans we will start planting them again. And as a seed producer, dont worry because conventional seeds are widely available, i have a whole warehouse full of it.

I think as more and more people start to demand non gmo then then price and thus availability of non gmo products will go up.

If you want this to occur quicker, start a labeling company for non gmo products. It will not only make more people aware of gmos and thus increase their demand but yu will make a many buck. Even an app would be great that scans barcodes and tells if they are gmo free.

I tried to tell him that..

People "today" are looking like crazy for non-gmo..

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"Transgenic soybeans arent spreading around like the plague and

this after 20years of planting it."

That's not true. If you actually would take the time to follow the news on issues surrounding the reason for anti-gmo talk, you'd see, you might be wrong on that.

There are plenty of cases where they have spread into other fields and therefore into stores where people believed they were getting non-gmo food.

There are a whole host of issues.

"No one was willing to purchase our conventional soybeans."

Maybe that was 20 years ago but it's not the case now. Non-Gmo's soybeans are making a comeback as are other crops. Maybe it's time to check into it again. You just might find that you could offer them to the growing "organic Non-Gmo" groups. People are worried about their food these days. I suspect that companies that produce GMO's are going to have a harder and harder time selling them to the public without using government to hide what they are.

"Look, find a solution that falls in line with the libertarian principles. Just try and not use the gov tp accomplish your goals is all i ask for."

It's funny to see people say things like that as if "anarchy" is the only form of libertarianism. I am a libertarian but one that see government, a very SMALL government, as a necessary evil. I would have no problem suing someone that poisoned my water.. that would be using the government. So why would using the government in some way to, at least for transparency, a bad thing. Like I said.. if you want to sell crap to your customers.. Albeit, very ill-informed customers, a trash product, then it IS your right. I for one want to know what's in my food though and I have a right to that as well and since food is a necessity of life as is water, you or anyone else that provides it had better tell me what's in it.

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soybeans dont cross pollinate

As a soybean farmer i am positive soybeans do not cross pollinate. We still plant conventional soybeans in fields that are clean of weeds and have never had a case of cross pollination. And this is in aregion that plants nearly 100% transgenics.To avoid paying monsanto royalties our beans get tested for up to 1% contamination of transgenics.

Instead of cross pollination more likely the farmer did a shitty job in preventing last years transgenics from growing in the fields again.

Well maybe you aren't a soybean farmer then because they

do cross-pollinate.. it is somewhat "rare" but it does happen. Monsanto internet PR man perhaps? lol

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Interesting article, thanks for posting it

The article addresses the need of producing the food for a large and growing population. To do that requires advancing technology, the GMOs increase the production per acre of arable land, combined with chemical fertilizers, herbicides and insecticides. Is it possible to increase food production another way?

As a farmer, I would be interested on what your take is on this?
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MYTH: GM crops increase yield potential

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very true

Gmos don't allow the plant to have a higher potential, they only help in preventing pests or competition with weeds. I can plant a transgenic and conventional seed of the same variety, minus the implanted gene and they will produce exactly the same in a controlled environment. The issue is that controlling pests and weeds isnt perfect and thus there is some yield loss due to these factors. On our fields with low pressure from weeds we plant conventional so as to not pay monsanto royalties and bc there are some very good high yielding conventional varieties.

I understand free markets

I understand free markets etc. however the system in which we NOW live, not one that may exist sometime in the future, is set up, at least it is supposed to, to protect us from unscrupulous merchants. We have grown to rely upon the USDA and the Food and Drug Administration to police what we are putting into our bodies. To some degree it does work. I'm not claiming that it is the most efficient or accurate system, but it is what we have now. In the future, there may well be a food equivalent of the Good Housekeeping seal of approval where honest providers of wholesome nutritious foods could pay a membership fee to said private watchdog group that would test food products for adulteration etc. or certifying food products as GMO-free etc. but that is not what we have now. Now we have Monsanto and other heartless multinational corporations bribing government agencies and individuals to get them to okay food products with questionable nutritional benefits to humans. While we are transitioning to a free-market system, I want someone to be at least making an effort to protect me from frankinfoods and requiring GMO labeling fits into that transitional mode.

you can make the label.

Make a business and start researching non gmo foods. Make some money and create a free market solution instead of a gov one. And remember that if you ask the gov for a favor they will demand one in return.