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Well, was 911 an inside job?

Hello liberty bretheren.......

As you all know and if you research all my threads, I have been one of the harsher critics of 911 truth topics. However, after watching these more two recent documentaries on 911 (one called something like "finally PROOF" and another about Israeli connections) I swear to God, that I am finally speechless. I was honestly convinced that Alex Jones films on 911 and Loose Change and all the mainstream documentaries on 911 truth were completely debunked and then these two came out and Im thinking "wow, how could you debunk these?"... In fairness, because I try to be a critical thinker in every thing I do, I cannot prove most of the claims made, but they just dont seem like stuff you can make up. But if even half of the claims made on these most recent docs on 911 truth, then it looks pretty bad that 911 was an inside job... Wow.... However, I will still say that some truthers Ive debated on this forum are some of the most over zealous closed minded people Ive debated since debating mainstream neocons and liberals. I still am divided on how to perform action moveing forward? I will NEVER dislike Jack Hunter no matter what he says. I actually think he has a good point in that whether conspiracies are true or not, that if it hurts our cause, then perhaps we should only focus on the corruption that is out in the open. I dont know, but I will tell you this that for the first time in my life, I am starting to believe 911 was an inside job or at least, the very very least, been allowed to happen. Hmmm... Its making my head spin....




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which videos ?

which videos r u talking about, would like to see them in spare time.
i am not sure whether buildings were brought down by explosives or whatever, but i do believe important info about the coming attacks were ignored at various levels, maybe willfully - just like around Pearl Harbour, and then misinformation was spread about the wrong causes of attack - that they hate us because we are free !! - they hate us because we kill their wives and children and steal their oil.
i was quite surprised that the X-Files spinoff The Lone Gunmen had shown a 911 like attack in its Pilot episode in March 2001 !! the movie Executive Decision showed a similar attack using planes as missiles in 1996 - about a good 5 yrs before the attack ! and the people in high places said they never expected it, nobody in the CIA, DIA and NSA thought of this scenario ?
gimme a break.
crimes of omission and a cover up are just as criminal as the original attacks.

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I have NEVER seen a single...

"de-bunking" film that held a single ounce of water. I have yet to see a single theory be put down definitively...not one. I am truely amazed that ANYONE would still believe that there were terrorists hijackers, that the jet fuel made these buildings fall, that an airliner hit the Pentagon, that there was no security footage of what really happened, etc.
I went through a pretty-bad depression for many months after getting slapped in the head with the truth that we've been lied to...We may never know what actually transpired that day, but know this: You've been hoodwinked by the "official story". Israel is guilty. CIA is guilty. FBI is guilty. DOD is guilty. Bush/Cheney are guilty...and here we all sit, debating rather than acting.

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Silence isn't always golden....sometimes it's yellow.

"The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." - Patrick Henry

Who the hell cares, the government was completely INCOMPETENT to

Who the hell cares, "the government was completely INCOMPETENT to protect us" is the best scenario that could have been hoped for out of that mess and NO ONE was fired or let go.

Instead we gave more money over to fund these criminally incompetent public servants and watched as the incompetent media people made excuses for the incompetent government people.

Instead of wiping Saudi Arabia off the map they proceeded to take us in to endless war in Iraq and Afghanistan; now Pakistan, Libya, Yemen, Syria, Mali, Somalia, Egypt and several other places I can't even recall.... all while threatening Venezuela, Iran, North Korea and creating their own self fulfilling prophesy of ENDLESS WAR by using foreign and military aid to artificially farm and raise-up an endless source of enemies via something they now refer to as their "Arab Spring" while using these new "pups" to make them into mean and vicious fighters for their dogfighting racket as we fund all sides and give them the tool, attitude and prodding to fight each other; and thus also multiple causes to snap and bite at us too (aka, blowback).

Thus more reason to fund the incompetents in government and reason to TURN OFF the liars on TV.

This lady cares.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/911-truth-and-the-families-of-9...

And he cares
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2FqgyLZeaY

And she cared until she died in a plane crash
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8T4tLSlkvY

and he cared before he died of a heart attack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LLHTh_UjBc

and all of these people care
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtU69oWVNJY

Now, ask yourself... Could you really look any one of them in the eye and say this is not important?

Ron Paul supports a new 9-11 investigation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH9nOWnp5G0

Who the hell cares?

Only those who care about liberty.

There are very sick people in the world

It's like the whole world has been turned into a psych ward.
They poison the water, food, and air with medication. They confuse our brain with cartoons.
All the movies that come out usually promote the governments agenda. They censor everything they can and perform unannounced experiments on us.

They spy on us they follow us and sneak into our homes.
We are like lab mice to some of these people.
Quite frankly I don't know what is really going on.
What are we not being told and why did building 7 go down without fires.
Why did the walkie talkies say the building was going to come down.
Why did the bbc news reporter report that building 7 went down when They were video taping it prior on tv live.
Why did Larry Silverstein (I think that's his name) say they made the decision to pull building 7
Why did he make a billion dollars from the insurance payout because all 3 buildings went down.
Remember the movie with the 3 rivers I think it might be a brave new world. Where the government poisoned the drinking water and blamed on terrorist groups and fabricated a war to install an authoritarian Europa.
The government employee started to question the government story and asked a friend of his what he would think if it turned out that it was their wonderful government that was lieing to them?
I think the guy responded like why would the government lie to us.
I am not sure what movie it is but I think it's a brave new world.

It was only an "inside" job...

if you consider Israel a part of America. I guess you can make a pretty good case that Israel is part of America, since they totally control it.

Speaking of Jack Hunter...

...I agree completely with him regarding conspiracy theories, from JFK to 9/11.

The 9/11 Truthers have seen too many movies. People in government are just ordinary people, some good and some bad, but no one more clever than the average Joe on the street.

Time to stop hurting the liberty movement.

Ya!

Lee Harvey Oswald and Mohhamed Atta's flying circus really did have the superhuman ability to defy basic laws of physics!

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10,000 down votes for you miss dinah

It's not about being clever!
It's about power and using it to its fullest against the people!
I can't believe you said what you said!

PS: I haven't been to a movie on over 20 years...how 'bout you!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

Building Seven

Debunked?
For me, that is the proverbial smoking gun!
But I also see some significant points in this video
http://youtu.be/n_fp5kaVYhk
Long video but connects many dots...
Too many coincidences!

When Fascism goes to sleep, it checks under the bed for Ron Paul!

Smoking gun?

Smoking building more likely. Do 9/11 Truthers have any idea just how many people would have to be in on such a conspiracy? No way is that in the least plausible.

Conspiracy theories do sell, though.

http://youtu.be/_kSq663m0G8

http://youtu.be/t4zGjeuVV7M

what part of.....

Steel and concrete buildings can not footprint from office fires do you not understand?? it takes 2800 degrees to even start melting steel and it would take a massive engulfing of over 2800 even at that! jet fuel and office fires dont reach over 600 degrees! so how did and entire steel/concrete building footprint from office fires?? a complete structial failure that structial engineers by the 1000's say its impossible. look back and watch building demolitions. look back on high rise busilding burning and the steel structures are still jutting way in the sky! no foot prints and freefall speeds. 9-11 was an inside job and anyone is a fool to not see it. How exactly was it done and who all was involved and all the details remain...but all you need is building 7 to prove it was inside job!

Im a coomercial plumber and we took a oxyacetylene cutting torch and tried to cut through a steel support beam at 3500 degrees...and it was taking forever to even make a dent! office fire and jet fuel wouldnt do anything but blacken the steel...and surely not cut through it!

Our founding fathers are rolling in their graves...the land of liberty needs a regime change!

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I recommend not saying never...

When Fascism goes to sleep, it checks under the bed for Ron Paul!

Along with the video evidence, read...

graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...WTC.../9110161.PDF

Capt. Karin DeShore
Firefighter Craig Carlsen
Assistant Fire Commissioner Stephan Gregory
Firefighter William Reynolds
Chronological Report of the WTC Radio Transmissions on 9/11/01

These are but a few of the memorandum taken by the World Trade Center Task Force shortly after 9/11. The above are just a small number of first responders who reported bombs, flashes and belts of explosions, etc. going off in the buildings.

http://www.flcv.com/nypolice.html

The City of New York did not want to make this material available to the public, the City of New York was sued (the suit involved family members of 9/11 victims and others). An appeals court ordered the above released, and in 2005 this material became available to the public.

National Security Archive, an excellent source for material:

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB165/index.htm

Explosions before planes hit

Explosions before planes hit WTC 911 9/11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3uFvOiTNz4

To answer some of questions....

Hello Brethren,

Im sorry, I am computer retarded sometimes, but the video I was referring to is called "War By Deception 2013" and other one I cant find, but i found it here on the DP and it under a label called "FINALLY proof 911" or something close. The last one being the craziest, because it didnt go into little facts or physics that honestly can be debunked to some degree, but went into WAAAAAAY too mnany coincidences and went further into the dancing Israelis and all the coincidences about important fraud meetings that key players called in sick when investigators died and how they are all tied to G Bush Sr... Man, im telling you that I tried to put on my natural debunker hat and couldnt find anything...

Look, I still believe that thermite, a missile or plane into pentagon, Bin laden confessions, etc etc can all be debunked or close to debunked. I take NOTHING in faith, but try my best as a human to be as a fair thinker as possible. I am a skeptic by nature, but just understanding how greedy and evil our politicians and CIA are, are enough for me to believe that they are capable of such horrible acts. However, I just didnt see enough that could not be debunked to convince me, but the last video I mentioned (its here on the DP history) went into real solid evidence that any court would find suspicious and it had to do with real money and all this other crazy stuff and it made my head spin. I just could not debunk any of it (again, I can debunk most of loose change and ive tried in debates in the past) and again, if only half were true, thats pretty damning. And how could the creator of that documentary make such details up?! Its madness...

Someone below criticized me for saying that some conspiracy theorists were over zealous and closed minded. He said that they were simply right and I was simply wrong and therefore critiqued my use of the word "closed minded" and I find his logic nonsensical. You saying you are right and I am wrong is like say a pastor calling scientist wrong "just because". Just because some thing seems logical "like a conspiracy" doesnt mean that it is. I NEVER believed the full official story, but I just didnt see enough evidence (until now) to make me believe it was done purposefully by government and my mind is still open at the very least to think it was ALLOWED to be done. Thermite, exploasions, etc can still be possibly debunked (not saying it is, just saying its not proof). This is very closed minded thread. What I meant by over zealous closeminded, was because during debates, I would infact debate with some intelligent debators (such as Jiminy Cricket), but at other times I would just simply be told I was an idiot, a dumbass, Im wrong (without saying why) that I was brainwashed and one person even said I was a mossad agent and I am no friend of the zionist government (although I try my best to stay away from that topic because of its taboos and sensitivity.. Its sad that Zionism is a touchy subject but it is and its complicated. I dont however endorse the Israel gov's actions towards palestinians and I cannot stand the Israel lobby. Its disgusting). Anyway, Im sorry I didnt have some of the direct links, but I really appreciate everybody's warm welcome "home" sotospeak and I appreciate those who are willing to be open minded and skeptical about ALL things, as I try my best to be. God bless the patriots of this country!

Ron Paul 2012

I know you said you can't

I know you said you can't find the "FINALLY proof 911" video you watched, but if you're eventually able to locate it please post it as a reply to this message. I'm really interested in seeing which video you are referring to. I tried finding the DP link you found it on, but I have no clue which one it could be.

"Unhappy it is, though, to reflect that a brother's sword has been sheathed in a brother's breast and that the once-happy plains of America are either to be drenched with blood or inhabited by slaves. Sad alternative! But can a virtuous man hesitate in hi

I think

the Truther movement was the end of truth in this movement.

well said!

I couldn't agree more. And it's very sad that some people who supported Ron Paul also bought into this sensationalism that helped his detractors slander him in his campaign for President.

Could you clarify?

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Mikoni

Hey spinny head,

always follow the money, and who benefits from tragedies like Pearl Harbor and 9/11.
I have been following "conspiracies" about 9/11 since 11/11, and still cannot get my head around all of the information.
The only thing I know for sure, is that it categorically was not Osama and 19 hi-jackers.

It certainly was allowed to happen

ex FBI whistle blower (Collen Rowley) told me this in person. keep in mind she worked inside the MN FBI branch that was DENIED access to the 20th hijackers laptop weeks before 911. (Moussaii) FBI HQ denied their standard operating request

Other FBI agents like translator Sibel Edmonds got fired & harrased for telling her stories of obstruction

& FBI Finance terroism agent Robert Wright also blew the whistle

These are real people & there are so many more. Problem is the obstruction case has to go to Federal Courts which are controlled

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When compared to 9/11, Sandy Hook was a piece of cake.

No doubt that 9/11 took some planning on multiple levels to accomplish. On the other hand, Sandy Hook must have been a walk in the park. Just hire some actors and mercenaries then co-opt local agencies while again running practice drills that same day. Works like a charm every time.

I think alex jones is right on sandy hook

The fact they keep doing these drills in the schools right before the shooting.
Alex and other seem to think that if you have 100 drills going off every few months all over the country somehow everywhere so often one of the drills goes live with live ammo and all.
It is very easy to just grab a guy off the street and shoot him in the head and leave him when the cops arrive the guys dead cops say it was a suicide story over.
Let's say there is 3 people in a drill 2 of them are bad people 1 the good guy.
Well they would set of the good guy.
Small drills no idea if its real or not.
Like with movies put a real bullet in the gun instead of blanks.
or just tell the solders that its a live drill.
It all happens so fast nobody knows what the heck.
I had dreams when I was a kid about intrusive areal crafts like drones and un solders going door to door doing gun confiscation when I was around 11.

I'd be willing to accept that someone at some level knew

about some potential impending attacks and did nothing to stop them. Actually, with some of the stories about Mossad agents and their actions it seems pretty clear that they had some foreknowledge. I do not, however, buy that either the US government or the Mossad had any active involvement in the attacks. The reason for this is that the risk simply does not outweigh the gain. If the American people were to ever figure out that Mossad was behind the attacks it would spell the end for the state of Israel. Also, if there was any Government action it would spell the end of the government, and the resultant upheaval would likely reverse 100 years of progressive political gains. The risk simply isn't worth the potential gains.....BUT if you knew about it ahead of time and were able to make propoganda and legigislative hay out of the attacks occuring without getting your hands dirty....WELL that is another animal indeed. I expect such a scenario would be very tempting to a power hungry government indeed. What it all comes down to is the risk simply isn't worth the reward when considering something just this large.

Josh Brueggen
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We know from the stock trades, some had fore knowledge

Follow the money, this had advantages for some. Urban renewal for NY, the building was a standing total with a history of a demolition application, the insurance claim advantage and control of oil in the middle east.

You must have missed the post

You must have missed the post I made two days ago. Here is the link in it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blSifMddGf8 War by Deception 2013, by Ryan Dawson. If you think there is no way Israel could have been involved, then please watch this and prepare to be shocked. I challenge anyone to find one thing wrong in this documentary. Israel's Mossad was involved, cause it knew the media would be on its side! Any criticism of Israel is already seen as "anti Semitic." This, and continuing sympathy over the Holocaust, allows Israel to "get away with it." This is not to imply that Israel was the only guilty party. Just watch and learn.

Mossad 9/11 Fingerprints

I urge you to research Israel-Mossad’s history. Israel-Mossad’s attack on the USS Liberty is well documented along with testimonies that it was deliberate. Mossad has a long history of false flags. Zionists held key positions in the Bush administration and had enormous influence surrounding 9/11 events.

www.globalvision2000.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=848
www.secretsofthefed.com/history-of-mossad-black-ops-and

video 1 38 minutes discussing PNAC and report headed by Philip Zelikow
http://ppjg.me/2012/10/06/the-toronto-hearings-on-911-uncove...

Zionists laid a blueprint via PNAC
Michael Chertoff:, (who let the 5 dancing Israel agents go free as head of the Justice Dept),
www.theuglytruth.wordpress.com/.../lest-we-forget-israeli-art

Philip Zelikow exec director of the 9/11 Commission
Paul Wolfowitz deputy to Rumsfeld
Dov S. Zakheim. Defense Department: Comptroller Center for Security Policy: Former adviser Project for the New American Century
www.911research.wtc7.net/cache/sept11/rightweb_zakheim.html
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlNQTG8B6hw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvDHaJiDUek&
Philip Zelikow and Paul Wolfowitz mentioned in Dr. Wasfi’s interview 6:38 min and 8:00 min

"It is one hundred percent certain that 9-11 was a Mossad operation -- period." - Dr. Alan Sabrosky, US Army War College

explain this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGEpRivGeX4

"Our purpose was to document the event."
How did they know there was an event to document?

Ron Paul supports a new 9-11 investigation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH9nOWnp5G0