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Well, was 911 an inside job?

Hello liberty bretheren.......

As you all know and if you research all my threads, I have been one of the harsher critics of 911 truth topics. However, after watching these more two recent documentaries on 911 (one called something like "finally PROOF" and another about Israeli connections) I swear to God, that I am finally speechless. I was honestly convinced that Alex Jones films on 911 and Loose Change and all the mainstream documentaries on 911 truth were completely debunked and then these two came out and Im thinking "wow, how could you debunk these?"... In fairness, because I try to be a critical thinker in every thing I do, I cannot prove most of the claims made, but they just dont seem like stuff you can make up. But if even half of the claims made on these most recent docs on 911 truth, then it looks pretty bad that 911 was an inside job... Wow.... However, I will still say that some truthers Ive debated on this forum are some of the most over zealous closed minded people Ive debated since debating mainstream neocons and liberals. I still am divided on how to perform action moveing forward? I will NEVER dislike Jack Hunter no matter what he says. I actually think he has a good point in that whether conspiracies are true or not, that if it hurts our cause, then perhaps we should only focus on the corruption that is out in the open. I dont know, but I will tell you this that for the first time in my life, I am starting to believe 911 was an inside job or at least, the very very least, been allowed to happen. Hmmm... Its making my head spin....

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That sensation you call "making my head spin"

is your head popping out of your ass.

~ Those "over zealous closed minded people" you've debated were more right than wrong if only because so much evidence was suspiciously disposed of from the biggest crime scene in American history -- they cannot prove conclusively many things that would be routine in most crime scenes.

~ It doesn't take much critical thinking to believe what your eyes can see when WTC-7 -- a highly fortified and double steel skeleton structure -- collapsed at the speed of gravity -- with a relatively minor fire damage -- and only the third steel frame building in history to collapse from fire -- with WTC-1 and WTC-2 being #'s 1 & 2.

Here's a little something from a dead man that might make your head spin a little more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGYf3DDypSE

What does it matter? The government's response was...

nothing more than treasonous. Yet, nobody has the cajones to either prosecute them or take the law in their own hands.

Welcome to end of your sleep

I have 2 words for you to use to help wake up others: Building 7

No, no...in Monty Python Michael Palin fashion I have 4 words for you to use: Building 7 Larry Silverstein.

No, no....I have 6 words for you to use: Building 7 Larry Silverstein Insurance policy

Oh what the heck, just use this video with John Kerry:

Immoral funding of Military Industrial Complex by Federal Reserve and US taxation system must stop!!!! End illegal/unconstitutional wars! Preserve US currency!
http://facebook.com/NoPropagandaZone
http://twitter.com/the_chiefe71

The more you look the more you'll see.

When i first started looking into this i called BS on almost everything.

but as time goes on and i learn more, everything has become more and more clear.

I have been a "truther"(freaking hate labels) since early 2004.

Tools of war are not always obvious. The worst weapon is an idea planted in the mind of man. Prejudices can kill, suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has an everlasting fallout all of its own.

woke up in '09

For me, it was the Bloomberg Freedom of Information Act in aug of 2009 that woke me up. I remember thinking... how much $ is 1.2 Trillion ?! http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-21/wall-street-aristoc...

Turns out, the total haul the IRS grabs from all sources is a very closely gaurded secret, but after running around a bit, 1.2 Trillion is about the equivalent of the total tax revenue generated in one year in the US. In other words, in secret, behind closed doors, without having to ask for the President, any Senators, or any other publicly elected official's permission, the Federal Reserve 'gave away' one years' worth of our income taxes??? well, turns out the truth is much worse than even that, but this revelation was enough to wake me up and question everything...

I now believe that from 1913, 1963, 2001 the same group of people have been working slowly and steadily on 'conquering' the entire planet through their complete control of money (US Dollar). Its not an exageration to say these people can literally create money for any need they wish out of thin air... Imagine if that were true, imagine the power and control that would give these individuals...

Well, turns out the nigtmare is real, and 911 was one of their boldest pushes toward complete global control.

I believe the final piece in their mass homicidal psychopathic plans will include a world war. There is no other way for their Dollar Control to continue without a world war...

Welcome to the Truth... Have a nice Day...

Its been four years for me, and I'm years behind many others, and I still don't know what to do... But I do think buying silver, guns and ammo as you're able, gardening (I'm still working on this) and making family plans for any unknown, is a good start. Talking about Bldg 7 every chance you get, public or private, is mandatory for all awake souls. What else is there for us to do?

O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

*self edit doh

*self edit doh

And now, to complete your research ...

... take an objective look at the so-called "debunker" folks.

What you will find is that those who defend the government's story by claiming to debunk 911 truth seekers have NO evidence or logic to back up their positions.

Most people out there are like you, OP. They ASSUME that "everything has been debunked," but they don't actually investigate the debunking, much less the truth seeking.

You will find that Popular Mechanics is one of the primary debunkers. And if you actually READ what they say and WATCH their experiments, etc., you will find that they LIE about the facts so that they can make their position fit.

You will also find that MANY of the articles out there are written by ONE guy: Michael Shermer.

You will find that many debunkers misrepresent NIST reports and other vital facts, and almost entirely rest their positions on red herrings and other logical fallacies.

You will find that one of the main "studies" that "debunkers" point to as authority was a study done by Purdue University. Sounds impressive, eh? Well yeah, until you actually READ it and do a little investigation.

You will find that the Purdue report was written by TWO guys, one of whom was a computer expert (not an engineer, which is what the report was about), and that the computer model created used FALSE data to arrive at their conclusion. If they had used the real data, their conclusion would have been different.

You will also find that Purdue University received a $105 million grant from the US government shortly after issuing that report.

Once you investigate the debunkers, you will find that they have NOTHING to back up their so-called debunking claims.

And once you realize that, you will also realize that it follows that anyone using those debunkers as some sort of authority are obviously people with no interest in investigating facts.

Most people are like you WERE -- they just ASSUME they know what they are talking about when in fact they have no clue.

Gives you a different perspective on the whole thing, once you realize that.

Whatever you think now about 911 or the government in general, and wherever your own research takes you, welcome to the side of seeking truth.

Truth should always be the standard, no matter who it might either exonerate or implicate.

It'll do more than just make your head spin; it will

make you feel indescribably gross and perhaps even depressed for a while. In 2003, I straight up ran from the realization of the *real* crime(s) that were committed. I really could not deal. It was in 2006 or so that a family member was exposed to this horrible reality, and I thought I better face this stuff. Pulling one's head out of the sand is difficult, and overcoming normalcy bias / denial / etc. is a real b*tch. It changes your world view somewhat (or even a lot). But I'd rather know "the score" and go down fighting for Justice than not.

[And I don't mean to imply *you* have / had your head in the sand / are in denial / etc.; I certainly did and was (And that was crazier than any mental state in which I've been since "waking up", to be sure!]!

What would the Founders do?

which videos ?

which videos r u talking about, would like to see them in spare time.
i am not sure whether buildings were brought down by explosives or whatever, but i do believe important info about the coming attacks were ignored at various levels, maybe willfully - just like around Pearl Harbour, and then misinformation was spread about the wrong causes of attack - that they hate us because we are free !! - they hate us because we kill their wives and children and steal their oil.
i was quite surprised that the X-Files spinoff The Lone Gunmen had shown a 911 like attack in its Pilot episode in March 2001 !! the movie Executive Decision showed a similar attack using planes as missiles in 1996 - about a good 5 yrs before the attack ! and the people in high places said they never expected it, nobody in the CIA, DIA and NSA thought of this scenario ?
gimme a break.
crimes of omission and a cover up are just as criminal as the original attacks.

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Dr.Ron Paul's 2002 Predictions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

I have NEVER seen a single...

"de-bunking" film that held a single ounce of water. I have yet to see a single theory be put down definitively...not one. I am truely amazed that ANYONE would still believe that there were terrorists hijackers, that the jet fuel made these buildings fall, that an airliner hit the Pentagon, that there was no security footage of what really happened, etc.
I went through a pretty-bad depression for many months after getting slapped in the head with the truth that we've been lied to...We may never know what actually transpired that day, but know this: You've been hoodwinked by the "official story". Israel is guilty. CIA is guilty. FBI is guilty. DOD is guilty. Bush/Cheney are guilty...and here we all sit, debating rather than acting.

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BC
Silence isn't always golden....sometimes it's yellow.

"The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." - Patrick Henry

Who the hell cares, the government was completely INCOMPETENT to

Who the hell cares, "the government was completely INCOMPETENT to protect us" is the best scenario that could have been hoped for out of that mess and NO ONE was fired or let go.

Instead we gave more money over to fund these criminally incompetent public servants and watched as the incompetent media people made excuses for the incompetent government people.

Instead of wiping Saudi Arabia off the map they proceeded to take us in to endless war in Iraq and Afghanistan; now Pakistan, Libya, Yemen, Syria, Mali, Somalia, Egypt and several other places I can't even recall.... all while threatening Venezuela, Iran, North Korea and creating their own self fulfilling prophesy of ENDLESS WAR by using foreign and military aid to artificially farm and raise-up an endless source of enemies via something they now refer to as their "Arab Spring" while using these new "pups" to make them into mean and vicious fighters for their dogfighting racket as we fund all sides and give them the tool, attitude and prodding to fight each other; and thus also multiple causes to snap and bite at us too (aka, blowback).

Thus more reason to fund the incompetents in government and reason to TURN OFF the liars on TV.

This lady cares.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/911-truth-and-the-families-of-9...

And he cares
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2FqgyLZeaY

And she cared until she died in a plane crash
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8T4tLSlkvY

and he cared before he died of a heart attack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LLHTh_UjBc

and all of these people care
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtU69oWVNJY

Now, ask yourself... Could you really look any one of them in the eye and say this is not important?

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

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Indeed, Fishy.

Very well-together put post as always.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Who the hell cares?

Only those who care about liberty.

There are very sick people in the world

It's like the whole world has been turned into a psych ward.
They poison the water, food, and air with medication. They confuse our brain with cartoons.
All the movies that come out usually promote the governments agenda. They censor everything they can and perform unannounced experiments on us.

They spy on us they follow us and sneak into our homes.
We are like lab mice to some of these people.
Quite frankly I don't know what is really going on.
What are we not being told and why did building 7 go down without fires.
Why did the walkie talkies say the building was going to come down.
Why did the bbc news reporter report that building 7 went down when They were video taping it prior on tv live.
Why did Larry Silverstein (I think that's his name) say they made the decision to pull building 7
Why did he make a billion dollars from the insurance payout because all 3 buildings went down.
Remember the movie with the 3 rivers I think it might be a brave new world. Where the government poisoned the drinking water and blamed on terrorist groups and fabricated a war to install an authoritarian Europa.
The government employee started to question the government story and asked a friend of his what he would think if it turned out that it was their wonderful government that was lieing to them?
I think the guy responded like why would the government lie to us.
I am not sure what movie it is but I think it's a brave new world.

There was a fire in bld 7.

There was a fire in bld 7. But that is not the reason why it came down...

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YEAH...it is a Brave New World

Excellent post!

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

It was only an "inside" job...

if you consider Israel a part of America. I guess you can make a pretty good case that Israel is part of America, since they totally control it.

Speaking of Jack Hunter...

...I agree completely with him regarding conspiracy theories, from JFK to 9/11.

The 9/11 Truthers have seen too many movies. People in government are just ordinary people, some good and some bad, but no one more clever than the average Joe on the street.

Time to stop hurting the liberty movement.

Wow

Go back to sleep brother

Life is not a spy movie.

Time to live in the real world, brother.

I do

I don't watch movies or tv, so I do live in the real world. You are just in denial and beleive whatever your government tells you. That's ok, you are probably happier for it.

Believing whatever your government...

...tells you? Hardly.

On the other hand, seeing everything that happens as a government conspiracy is a good sign you're suffering from paranoid delusion. The good news, though, is there's treatment for that condition.

Ya!

Lee Harvey Oswald and Mohhamed Atta's flying circus really did have the superhuman ability to defy basic laws of physics!

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10,000 down votes for you miss dinah

It's not about being clever!
It's about power and using it to its fullest against the people!
I can't believe you said what you said!

PS: I haven't been to a movie on over 20 years...how 'bout you!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

I understand.

Why go to movies when you feel you're already living in one. Very understandable -- thanks for your clarification on that.

Building Seven

Debunked?
For me, that is the proverbial smoking gun!
But I also see some significant points in this video
http://youtu.be/n_fp5kaVYhk
Long video but connects many dots...
Too many coincidences!

When Fascism goes to sleep, it checks under the bed for Ron Paul!

Smoking gun?

Smoking building more likely. Do 9/11 Truthers have any idea just how many people would have to be in on such a conspiracy? No way is that in the least plausible.

Conspiracy theories do sell, though.

http://youtu.be/_kSq663m0G8

http://youtu.be/t4zGjeuVV7M

The Manhattan Project, yo.

Over a hundred thousand people were involved across the country.

It can be (and very obviously *has been*) done.

What would the Founders do?

what part of.....

Steel and concrete buildings can not footprint from office fires do you not understand?? it takes 2800 degrees to even start melting steel and it would take a massive engulfing of over 2800 even at that! jet fuel and office fires dont reach over 600 degrees! so how did and entire steel/concrete building footprint from office fires?? a complete structial failure that structial engineers by the 1000's say its impossible. look back and watch building demolitions. look back on high rise busilding burning and the steel structures are still jutting way in the sky! no foot prints and freefall speeds. 9-11 was an inside job and anyone is a fool to not see it. How exactly was it done and who all was involved and all the details remain...but all you need is building 7 to prove it was inside job!

Im a coomercial plumber and we took a oxyacetylene cutting torch and tried to cut through a steel support beam at 3500 degrees...and it was taking forever to even make a dent! office fire and jet fuel wouldnt do anything but blacken the steel...and surely not cut through it!

Our founding fathers are rolling in their graves...the land of liberty needs a regime change!