Well, was 911 an inside job?
Submitted by lordindra3 on Mon, 01/21/2013 - 22:57Hello liberty bretheren.......
As you all know and if you research all my threads, I have been one of the harsher critics of 911 truth topics. However, after watching these more two recent documentaries on 911 (one called something like "finally PROOF" and another about Israeli connections) I swear to God, that I am finally speechless. I was honestly convinced that Alex Jones films on 911 and Loose Change and all the mainstream documentaries on 911 truth were completely debunked and then these two came out and Im thinking "wow, how could you debunk these?"... In fairness, because I try to be a critical thinker in every thing I do, I cannot prove most of the claims made, but they just dont seem like stuff you can make up. But if even half of the claims made on these most recent docs on 911 truth, then it looks pretty bad that 911 was an inside job... Wow.... However, I will still say that some truthers Ive debated on this forum are some of the most over zealous closed minded people Ive debated since debating mainstream neocons and liberals. I still am divided on how to perform action moveing forward? I will NEVER dislike Jack Hunter no matter what he says. I actually think he has a good point in that whether conspiracies are true or not, that if it hurts our cause, then perhaps we should only focus on the corruption that is out in the open. I dont know, but I will tell you this that for the first time in my life, I am starting to believe 911 was an inside job or at least, the very very least, been allowed to happen. Hmmm... Its making my head spin....
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Probably from the same place your friend got hers.
I'll show you though. One second.
Edit:http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=d91a13Yr3oQ
Now in another interview he was accused by one of his former aides who went on to say that Dr.Paul stated that Bush knew ahead of time..
"Dondero writes that that Paul himself is a 9/11 conspiracy theorist:
He engaged in conspiracy theories including perhaps the attacks were coordinated with the CIA, and that the Bush administration might have known about the attacks ahead of time. He expressed no sympathies whatsoever for those who died on 9/11, and pretty much forbade us staffers from engaging in any sort of memorial expressions, or openly asserting pro-military statements in support of the Bush administration."
All of which, Dr.Paul vehemently disagreed with as truth.
Now I know that Bush had prior knowledge about a "possible" attack and refused to act on it.. This is credible intelligence from other countries with whom we share information with. Is that clear evidence that he knew about it and wanted it to happen or that he was involved in some way? No, but we may never know the truth if it was so.
As for Dr.Paul.. I think even if he does believe it, I doubt he'd say so without real proof and even then I'm not sure if he would really.. If I were him, I'd find some way to get the truth out without putting his family's life in jeopardy. I wouldn't blame him one bit for keeping it to himself. There is mouthing off and exposing issues then there is mouthing off and fucking your life up and the lives of everyone you know, possibly.
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Good for you for finally "seeing the light".
"...inside job", in itself, is subjective. Did the government (1) commit the crime, (2) simply fail to stop it or (3) simply covering it up? Even Glenn Beck admits to (2), but I do not see Mr. Beck DEMANDING government officials be prosecuted.
Anyone who has read my comments here at the DP know what I believe; so, there is no point in restating them.
funny, weird, that you can't see it...
you said, "some of the most over zealous closed minded people Ive debated"...
why?
because they are debating with someone (you) who is wrong and you expect them to just say, "ok, you are right, lordindra"
ain't gonna happen...
think of it this way, you say, "2 + 2 = 5", but your opposition says, "no, 2 + 2 = 4" and no matter how much you try you can't make them change their mind...why? because they are RIGHT and they CAN'T change their mind
are they, too, overzealous and closed minded?
i am glad you are finally seeing that 2 + 2 = 4
its frustrating that we deal with this every day but do you know what is more frustrating?
those folks that believe _ + 2 = _
now that is a tough nut to crack!
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Putting everything together
to where it made sense was for me a laborious, disturbing, dark and emotionally taxing process so I appreciate everyone here who did the same to get down to the truth. I had already concluded 9/11 was a false flag attack prior to viewing the video of Dr. Dahlia Wasfi being interviewed. It just reaffirmed my view by addressing the who, what, why, where and when of 9/11. A few high tech engineer friends like to pick everything apart so I made a detailed breakdown of the four videos from the Toronto hearings which helped convince them. I know I am preaching to the choir, but along with the Wasfi interview, I post the video description compilation in case you or anyone has unanswered questions which can be explored in the four Toronto videos.
The Toronto Hearings on 9/11: Uncovering Ten Years of Deception
"In 2011, experts and scientists from around the world gathered in Toronto, Canada to present new and established evidence that questions the official story of 9/11. This evidence was presented to a distinguished panel of experts over a 4 day period. Through their analysis and scientific investigations, they hope to spark a new investigation into the attacks of September 11, 2001."
http://ppjg.me/2012/10/06/the-toronto-hearings-on-911-uncove...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvDHaJiDUek&
Philip Zelikow and Paul Wolfowitz mentioned in Dr. Wasfi’s interview 6:38 min and 8:00 min
VIDEO #1 (Day 1)
27:07 min Philip Zelikow appointed as the exec director of the 9/11 Commission (was close friend of Condoliza Rice) -
32:20 min conflicting descriptions of Muhammed Atta and his behavior
36:50 min omission of WTC 7 (the smoking gun) which was not hit by aircraft but collapsed
38:00 min Report for PNAC (Project for the New American Century) by Zelikow calling for a “new Pearl Harbor” with Rumsfeld and his deputy Paul Wolfowitz agitating for war with Iraq for many years
40:55 min inadequacies of reports by NIST
1:00 hour WTC 7 – NIST’s final theory –contradictory statements; refutation of thermal expansion theory, girder walk-off failure and ‘no’ shear stud statement by NIST
VIDEO #2 (Day 2)
First 10:55 min Insider trading prior to 9/11: econometric evidence
10:56 min eyewitnesses and evidence of explosions at the Pentagon
17:00 min examining ‘round clean exit hole’ as signature of shaped charged explosive used at the Pentagon
22:00 min 5 famous frames from two videotapes released in August 2006; wrong date and time from security camera
24:00 min The Alleged 9/11 Hijackers flaws in FBI lists and reports
28:40 min fake bin Laden confession video and flimsy evidence of Ziad Jarrah’s actual involvement
31:20 min Evidence of the Demolition of WTC
40:10 min Collapse of WTC 7 following collapse of twin towers
55:10 min Global Consequences of 9/11; false pretext of al Qaeda and bin Laden as the perpetrators vs. Mossad, CIA and “war cabinet” formed.
VIDEO #3 (Day 3)
First 11 minutes Eyewitness Evidence of Explosions at WTC; media and spontaneous observations and firefighters and police descriptions. FBI working theory. Naudet film clip
11:01 min testimony by Paul Lemos corroborating (bomb) boom-boom-boom hand gestures of firefighters
19:55 min WTC 7: A Refutation of the Official Account
25:49 min BBC film clip prescripted slipup reporting on WTC 7 collapsing (while it was still standing)
27:00 min Physics of computing velocity vs. time of soccer ball falling compared to graph of free fall of WTC 7; disputes NIST report and argues free fall proves demolition caused the collapse; lack of sufficient data points by NIST.
34:30 min Falsification of timing measurements by NIST; substituting computer model vs. factual video evidence of free fall.
43:17 min Jonathan Cole: The Official Account and Experimental Method (How did the twin towers fall?)
52:30 min Cole: Molten metal and presence of thermate. (explanation of thermite conversion to thermate); live video demo of thermitic box cutter refuting the debunkers’ (National Geographic ‘experts’) attempt to discredit the thermate/molten metal connection.
1:06:32 min Kevin Ryan: Extreme temperatures; nanothermites and gas causing explosions.
1:22:47 min Neils Harrit: Incendiary/Explosive Residue in the WTC Dust; carbon nanotubes, metal spheres, red/grey chips and the thermite reaction. 9/11 - The Loaded Gun - Red/Grey Nanothermite Chips - YouTube
131:30 min David Chandler video clip of south tower top section rocket ‘projectile’ producing white smoke trails resulting in red/grey chips as byproduct of explosives.
VIDEO #4 (Day 4)
Anomalies of flights 77 and 93
Everything is an inside job
This will always happen when one family lies cheats mass murders steals and enslaves humanity into a system of false debt. When one family owns most of the wealth of humanity they are capable of the worst evil.
The real question is Inside what. Answer, Rothschild.
sovereign
Jews control lithium,
you know.
I do not say things like that at all ever
The Rothschild family is kazarian/ashkanazi jew. They are the criminals that create digitized corporate sovereign compounding national debts for this world so yes they own everything.
To say Jews own lithium is bs. The actual Jews own very little they have been genocided along side the palasinians. I think instead of making such a bold statement its better to actually identify the real human culprits by name.
If you are adept to follow the hidden corporate trails and track the corporate layers you find every trail leads to the name of Rothschild. But every trail does not track to so called jews.
That said I do not agree with any religion that makes claims of supremacy, most all do.
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The Rothschilds and Zionists
The Rothschilds and Zionists wrap themselves in Judaism to hide their crimes. Jews are victims too, just like simpleton Christians who send money to the faith healer.
i usually
stay out of conspiracy stuff but i sincerely believe there is more to 9/11 than we are told, and people should be talking about it, how did building 7 fall? why weren't the black boxes found?(they are built to be indestructible), why didn't they test for explosives when there were tons of witnesses that heard explosions, why was there molted steel, why did they get rid of all evidence so fast? why did they invade Iraq when the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia? i don't know but it boggles my mind when i think.. could a government be capable of this and get away with it, seems crazy eh
And here's an even easier one
to wrap your head around, since the 20 some odd folks interviewed in this film all say the same thing and all(at the time of the interviews) believe the official story, but since the documentary came out have been forbidden from discussing their experiences any further! I guess under threat of loosing their jobs at the nearby facilities?
Very, very telling, candid information coming from some somewhat unbiased reports. See for yourself. The information is unanimous, in a way, and quite important considering some of the main witnesses to explosions have "died" since 911.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYhjoy7gCDg
truth sets you free
so I disagree with Mr. Hunter.
One of the first things Obama did when he took office was say we are not going to go after Bush and Cheney. Is that what Rand intends to do as well? Sounds like it if he is avoiding talking about issues that effect the foundation of this country.
OBAMA
is using the same CIA to seal his education records and other papers. CIA or other secret agency even went to Kenya and removed documents prior to Bush's own investigation into the matter of Obama's birth certificate. It tells you there are big players behind the politicians. They too have conflicting interests.
serving the evil cabal
lordindra3,
It may well be that is doesn't matter -- much or at all -- what you believe about 9/11. It may well be that folks who wish to put their considerable creative and intellectual talents toward trying to ferret out the truth or turning over this particular apple cart are only spinning their wheels.
If you decide that the evil bad guys who plotted this are your own folk, you'd be smart to admit that they factored into their evil ways a rabbit trail -- a few nonconforming bits -- to lay a scent trail to divert the pursuers away from the real trail that would threaten the real evil. You must admit that any powerful group good enough to pull this off, and understanding history well enough, would preconceive the conspiracy stuff and use it to their own ends.
If you decide that the evil bad guys are foreign terrorists and that some of the us-guys used the real bad guys to further their own agenda, which, to them, may seem right and honorable and GOOD, if only for themselves and their families, then you're led to providing your own trail around such agendas.
Which do you think leads toward action that actually makes a difference? Which path makes for more engaged and active participants in the real fight toward liberty in this rather new country?
If you were an evil-cabal intend on world domination or even U.S. domination, wouldn't you rather have half your enemy disengaged from the real battlefield (i.e. wounded and taking up resources) by turning them into 9/11 truthers, searching websites and video or for hours on end rather than becoming active in their local and regional and national power structures?
It hardly matters which way you go on such issues. It only serves to take creative and intelligent folks out of the real battle.
I don't care if anyone needs to see (or invent) some big 9/11 conspiracy to allow themselves believe that human nature is a mixed bag. That the folks who need, at a visceral-I'm-worthy level, ache toward powerful positions will do so at the expense of others. Pick up a history book; look around you. It's obvious. I suppose there are folks who aren't willing to look to their own lives and interactions and need some Big Boogeyman to explain and separate IT from THEM. But, for goodness sake, accept the boogyman in human nature and move past it. Don't let it suck you onto rabbit trails, where you won't do anything but shout BOO and think you did anything.
It is not obvious, or even logical, that harping on prima facia evidence -- 9/11 or anything else -- of human neediness gets us anywhere. Can we just say that such backwater stuff is exactly where the evil perpetrators wish to consign the questioning sorts? Can we agree to not be a stooges? Whether to some evil cabal or to regular old human foibles?
To me it seems a scapegoat to duck the truth. The evil is within ourselves. You don't have to go off looking for it in something you've predefined as too big to confront on real terms. That's what these colossal conspiracies do, make the common man feel impotent and go into self-seeking, like-minded groups.
It serves nothing but those who wish to languish in impotence and hop on the rabbit trails of the evil cabal (if there is one).
Nothing special about 9/11
It was reported that for several years prior to 9/11 CIA intercepted many different plans to attack USA from radical muslims. Back in 90's muslims indeed tried to bring down one of the twin tower with a truck bomb.
CIA agents thought that by allowing some muslims in they can uncover sleeper cells that came a decade earlier. At one point, those muslims who were monitored (and CIA/FBI monitored thousands) went underground. CIA behaved as a typical government agency. Instead of alerting superiors, they probably decided to fish them out on their own. Government workers always use cover-up and fingerpointing instead of personal responsibility. There was bad communication within agencies and between agencies.
After the attack, CIA, FBI, Pentagon, State Department, top politicians, and big busness connected to Saudi oil decided to keep some details sealed. They simply did not want any personal responsibility or scrutiny. Oil money, career promotions, government pensions, etc were at stake. Some secret agencies probably acted illegaly and overstepped their responsibilities. In addition, Bush re-election was at stake.
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what if 911 was done by an outside force to set up the American and Israeli governments.
Everything fits together for that scenario as well, but that scenario is NEVER spoken of.
What if the evil in this country is being set up??
Just thinking.
They could have crashed those planes on a NYC sidewalk and killed more then 3k.
Why didnt they go for 3m, instead of only 3k?
nothing makes sense.
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Iv seen those docs
but im still demanding to be convinced 911 was an inside job.
http://debunking911.com/
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Check out AE911Truth.org website,
Where 1766 licensed Architecs and Engineers are calling for a real investigation (not government contolled) to determine the truth about the destruction of the buildings. Check the credentials of those experts that have signed the petition and you will be amazed at the qualified professionals that are members. A few items that are discussed that you may or may not be aware of are:
1. The amount of molten metal at ground zero. Since when can a collapse melt steel, and as a firefighter myself, the jet fuel cannot get hot enough to melt steel.
2 Free fall velocity of the buildings verified by video analysis, especially for building 7. this violates the basic laws of physics for a true colllapse as the material below a falling object acts as resistance, and hence slows the falling material down...common sense really...
3. The request by debunkers for information on the activity and work permits for the WTC buildings to show that no contractor or workers were in the buildings prior to 911 to plant all the massive explosive materials needed for a claim that the buildings were demolished. The authorities said that due to matters of National Security, the building permit papers could not be released.... quite telling when this information could put a nail in the coffin of "truthers"....
4. Many more items to be found at the website, but as a failure incident investigator in my job (civil and mechanical engineer for 34 years) , I find it hard to believe that some building codes for steel high rise buildings have not been changed or at least retrofitted, with emergency alarms sent out to all buildings built similar to the cnstruction codes for building 7 given the fact that an office fire can cause the total collapse of a major high rise. This to me means that all buildings that were built in the time frame of WTC 7 to similar codes are a major threat to americans working in these buildings, and a warning should be issued to all building workers or residents so they are aware of the risk they are under, so more loss of life cannot occur....but we know that the government is silent on this subject...WHY?....
Do you now know why I am skeptical about the "official" story now....
If you think those are good...
I suggest watching 911 In Plane Sight... You can find it on Netflix or quite easily on youtube I believe but it's been really well put together and goes into detail about allot of things. Good luck on your path to enlightenment!! There's still things for everyone to learn and embrace!!
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Welcome to the Real World lordindra3, it does make your head spin. And it takes awhile to recover. Your life will never be the same. the color of your glasses in which you view the world is forever changed.
911 is what woke me up from my fluoride induced slumber. I would rather know the truth than continue drinking the Koolaide to my grave. Good luck, you will see the light. It absolutely was an inside job and it stinks!
I would be happy to prove to you to get you off the fence and on the side of the truth. Happy researching!
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hmmm
I bet you believed all along, just trying to reinvent your truferism...
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You got it!
That is the way to sound clever. Many parrots simply cannot withstand peer pressure of the collective.
I don't use the term "inside job"
people are preprogrammed to shut down if you do.
and it is the moneychangers who are running things anyhow.
non-technical people will waste a LOT of your time, much as you have just learned.
911 is the tip of the iceberg perhaps.
you are forgiven, press on.
and if anyone uses the dreaded term "conspiracy theorist"
say that you prefer "corruption researcher." Almost everyone agrees there is corruption. The question is whether it's a little or a lot. After ____ years of research, I've found that it's a lot. It doesn't sound crazy when you put it that way.
That is a really good idea
thanks :) will use that one a lot
OR..
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Yes. And life in America has
Yes. And life in America has never been the same since the day before it happened.
America let the serial killer get away, and now Charles Manson and his minions have been running rampant all over the country.
Let a bunch of killers get away with their crimes, and before you know it the United States is divided and conquered by lies.
Never be afraid to ask simple questions.
Yea, you've been a harsh critic...
http://www.dailypaul.com/105221/cospiracy-vs-science
One thing I can tell you, the question will never go away.
Where's Jimmy Hoffa's body, who really killed JFK, was 9/11 an inside job?
These questions will out last all of us.
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Thanks to death bed confessions....
Jimmy Hoffa became a bumper or some other part of an automobile. Hoffa's body....still alive was placed into the trunk of a car that was then crunched and sold as scrap metal to build...most likely...a car.
The MIC killed JFK and LBJ was knew about it.
And yes..the buildings were obviously controlled demolitions and therefore an inside job.