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Well, was 911 an inside job?

Hello liberty bretheren.......

As you all know and if you research all my threads, I have been one of the harsher critics of 911 truth topics. However, after watching these more two recent documentaries on 911 (one called something like "finally PROOF" and another about Israeli connections) I swear to God, that I am finally speechless. I was honestly convinced that Alex Jones films on 911 and Loose Change and all the mainstream documentaries on 911 truth were completely debunked and then these two came out and Im thinking "wow, how could you debunk these?"... In fairness, because I try to be a critical thinker in every thing I do, I cannot prove most of the claims made, but they just dont seem like stuff you can make up. But if even half of the claims made on these most recent docs on 911 truth, then it looks pretty bad that 911 was an inside job... Wow.... However, I will still say that some truthers Ive debated on this forum are some of the most over zealous closed minded people Ive debated since debating mainstream neocons and liberals. I still am divided on how to perform action moveing forward? I will NEVER dislike Jack Hunter no matter what he says. I actually think he has a good point in that whether conspiracies are true or not, that if it hurts our cause, then perhaps we should only focus on the corruption that is out in the open. I dont know, but I will tell you this that for the first time in my life, I am starting to believe 911 was an inside job or at least, the very very least, been allowed to happen. Hmmm... Its making my head spin....




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This conspiracy theory...

...appears to make you feel good. Otherwise, I believe there's no way you wouldn't question the creative editing of these 9/11 conspiracy videos.

creatively edited?

...really? Let me see your original pictures of the 757 wreckage at the Pentagon; 124' foot wingspan penetrated the first ring, right? ... I know the pilots are insane, and, they're doctoring videos with personal funds - not asking questions about basic physics regarding what the debris field of 757 crash might look like IF the "official story" is truthful.

Yep, Eric Hufschmid's Painful Deceptions was "creatively edited" before it was released...you bet!

Eric Hufschmid...

...sold quite a few copies, though. I don't know him personally, but I'd be skeptical of what he says for that reason ($) alone.

Richard C. Hoagland Shocks The World On George Noory’s ctc

Peter Santilli

…well…..if you were a crime scene investigator, would you walk upon a scene and step over the big-tech gun (military issued in a foreign land), the wallet of the perpetrator laying on the floor with his drivers license in it?

These clues are not only the signatures of the assailants, but in the case of 911′s crime scene, making the public aware that “FREE ENERGY’ exists, and was used that day is very important.

If we can’t even focus long enough to determine WHAT happened, how could you ever expect to find out WHO did it?

It’s not only the most important question, but the answer will point us in one direction: that the people who posses this technology are using free energy for evil purposes. We can use the energy for good, but it must be in the right hands.

The public deserves to know that this technology exists….especially because it will help them realize who the perpetrators of the cover-up are (Alex Jones, Steven Jones, Richard Gage, James Fetzer, etc).

The cover-up has resulted in the loss of more lives AFTER 911 than on that day itself

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/01/shocking-admiss...

Hadn't seen that one

but I have read "Where Did The Towers Go" and if people who are going to mouth off about this, they should read her book before giving you insults yet for mentioning the technology. The book is a must if one is to discuss 9/11. The rivalry within the 911 truth movement is causing stagnation. You listed the perps. ;but is it ego or malicious intent? Steven Jones ...More than likely. He was involved in mysterious ways. He coined the term "cold fusion", and now uses it against the truth.
Evidence of many things that happened on 9/11 were found and were not explained by explosives. One of the most unusual "coincidences", was a shift in the magnetism of the earth precisely at the moments of impact of the first hole in WTC 1 and throughout the day until the collapse of WTC 7, as recorded from magnetometer stations in Alaska and the GEO satellite data. Hurricane Erin's path and position "coincidence" with the events is also something that is also more than suspicious.
Thanks for your open mind and spreading the word. I have been gun-shy lately about speaking up. You will see why in responses from others.

Mikoni

About Time

One more down and millions more to go. Most people I know never even heard of building 7.

skippy

i can debunk building #7. it

i can debunk building #7. it was swamp gas.

lawrence

I think this debunks...

...the building 7 conspiracy theory pretty well (the "pull" quotes regarding building 7):

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

http://911debunkers.blogspot.

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/ for a counterpoint to so called debunkers

I have no idea

whether 9-11 was an inside job. There is plenty of evidence to suggest
the official story is lacking in truth. We will probably never know the truth in most of our lifetimes or at least until everyone involved is dead. As Dr Paul once said, most government investigations are coverups and the 9-11 commission is no exception.

Dr. Paul...

...is not a 9/11 truther, from everything I've read and heard by him.

Again, the word "blowback" -- Dr. Paul has said the word so many times in reference to 9/11. Every single time 9/11 was brought up by Ron Paul, it was about blowback and the ineptness of government.

Wrong.

Or you are lying? Ron Paul supports an investigation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH9nOWnp5G0

That ineptness is why he supports an investigation, and that investigation cannot help but show a cover up, at the best. 9-12 - you watched the cover up. It was a crime to tamper with that crime scene.

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...

Of course...

...Ron Paul supports an investigation, and he says why: Because the ineptness by government needs to be brought to light, as well as the blowback.

Nothing about conspiracy in the video. You'll have to do much better than that if you want people to actually buy into this "Ron Paul's a 9/11 truther" mantra I keep seeing on DP.

No one says "Ron Paul is a truther"

except those seeking to get a rise out of truthers. Those who pretend "blowback" is all Ron has to say on the topic are wrong. And again, since when does asking reasonable questions = "conspiracy?"
Never mind, I had hoped to turn you toward seeking answers, instead you argue with me. Have a nice day.

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...

Glad to hear...

...you say that no one says Ron Paul's a 9/11 truther (because that would definitely be misrepresenting him). I gladly stand corrected, then.

He talked of working with Kucinich to investigate

it.. which means he saw some inconsistencies with the "official story".

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inconsistencies?

That's quite a stretch to take "inconsistencies" to mean "inside job."

"Ineptness" and "blowback" -- those are the words Ron Paul has used regarding 9/11. No doubt he'd want an investigation.

I agree with you.

I don't doubt planes could have been hijacked by militant Islamists angry about the US's actions in the Middle East and our support for Israel. What I don't believe is that planes alone took down those 3 buildings.I do suspect it to either have been orchestrated by elements of our gov't or simply allowed to happen, but there is no real hard evidence for this, just some very suspicious actions.

He also said that the government is

prone to cover-ups.. I don't think you know Dr.Paul quite as much as you think.

Saying "inconsistencies" is Dr.Paul's polite way of saying.. "I don't believe the story they're telling me". He's "playing it safe".. He's that way about many things, while others, he just comes out and says what he is thinking.

Even with the little he has said about 9/11.. the media has ripped him a new one so I'd be cautious too if I was in his shoes.

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I haven't seen...

...a quote from Paul about "inconsistencies" with regard to 9/11, though I Googled it. So I'm not sure where you're getting that word from.

Probably from the same place your friend got hers.

I'll show you though. One second.

Edit:http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=d91a13Yr3oQ

Now in another interview he was accused by one of his former aides who went on to say that Dr.Paul stated that Bush knew ahead of time..

"Dondero writes that that Paul himself is a 9/11 conspiracy theorist:

He engaged in conspiracy theories including perhaps the attacks were coordinated with the CIA, and that the Bush administration might have known about the attacks ahead of time. He expressed no sympathies whatsoever for those who died on 9/11, and pretty much forbade us staffers from engaging in any sort of memorial expressions, or openly asserting pro-military statements in support of the Bush administration."

All of which, Dr.Paul vehemently disagreed with as truth.

Now I know that Bush had prior knowledge about a "possible" attack and refused to act on it.. This is credible intelligence from other countries with whom we share information with. Is that clear evidence that he knew about it and wanted it to happen or that he was involved in some way? No, but we may never know the truth if it was so.

As for Dr.Paul.. I think even if he does believe it, I doubt he'd say so without real proof and even then I'm not sure if he would really.. If I were him, I'd find some way to get the truth out without putting his family's life in jeopardy. I wouldn't blame him one bit for keeping it to himself. There is mouthing off and exposing issues then there is mouthing off and fucking your life up and the lives of everyone you know, possibly.

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Good for you for finally "seeing the light".

"...inside job", in itself, is subjective. Did the government (1) commit the crime, (2) simply fail to stop it or (3) simply covering it up? Even Glenn Beck admits to (2), but I do not see Mr. Beck DEMANDING government officials be prosecuted.

Anyone who has read my comments here at the DP know what I believe; so, there is no point in restating them.

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funny, weird, that you can't see it...

you said, "some of the most over zealous closed minded people Ive debated"...

why?

because they are debating with someone (you) who is wrong and you expect them to just say, "ok, you are right, lordindra"

ain't gonna happen...

think of it this way, you say, "2 + 2 = 5", but your opposition says, "no, 2 + 2 = 4" and no matter how much you try you can't make them change their mind...why? because they are RIGHT and they CAN'T change their mind

are they, too, overzealous and closed minded?

i am glad you are finally seeing that 2 + 2 = 4

its frustrating that we deal with this every day but do you know what is more frustrating?

those folks that believe _ + 2 = _

now that is a tough nut to crack!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Putting everything together

to where it made sense was for me a laborious, disturbing, dark and emotionally taxing process so I appreciate everyone here who did the same to get down to the truth. I had already concluded 9/11 was a false flag attack prior to viewing the video of Dr. Dahlia Wasfi being interviewed. It just reaffirmed my view by addressing the who, what, why, where and when of 9/11. A few high tech engineer friends like to pick everything apart so I made a detailed breakdown of the four videos from the Toronto hearings which helped convince them. I know I am preaching to the choir, but along with the Wasfi interview, I post the video description compilation in case you or anyone has unanswered questions which can be explored in the four Toronto videos.

The Toronto Hearings on 9/11: Uncovering Ten Years of Deception

"In 2011, experts and scientists from around the world gathered in Toronto, Canada to present new and established evidence that questions the official story of 9/11. This evidence was presented to a distinguished panel of experts over a 4 day period. Through their analysis and scientific investigations, they hope to spark a new investigation into the attacks of September 11, 2001."

http://ppjg.me/2012/10/06/the-toronto-hearings-on-911-uncove...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvDHaJiDUek&
Philip Zelikow and Paul Wolfowitz mentioned in Dr. Wasfi’s interview 6:38 min and 8:00 min

VIDEO #1 (Day 1)

27:07 min Philip Zelikow appointed as the exec director of the 9/11 Commission (was close friend of Condoliza Rice) -
32:20 min conflicting descriptions of Muhammed Atta and his behavior
36:50 min omission of WTC 7 (the smoking gun) which was not hit by aircraft but collapsed
38:00 min Report for PNAC (Project for the New American Century) by Zelikow calling for a “new Pearl Harbor” with Rumsfeld and his deputy Paul Wolfowitz agitating for war with Iraq for many years
40:55 min inadequacies of reports by NIST
1:00 hour WTC 7 – NIST’s final theory –contradictory statements; refutation of thermal expansion theory, girder walk-off failure and ‘no’ shear stud statement by NIST

VIDEO #2 (Day 2)

First 10:55 min Insider trading prior to 9/11: econometric evidence
10:56 min eyewitnesses and evidence of explosions at the Pentagon
17:00 min examining ‘round clean exit hole’ as signature of shaped charged explosive used at the Pentagon
22:00 min 5 famous frames from two videotapes released in August 2006; wrong date and time from security camera
24:00 min The Alleged 9/11 Hijackers flaws in FBI lists and reports
28:40 min fake bin Laden confession video and flimsy evidence of Ziad Jarrah’s actual involvement
31:20 min Evidence of the Demolition of WTC
40:10 min Collapse of WTC 7 following collapse of twin towers
55:10 min Global Consequences of 9/11; false pretext of al Qaeda and bin Laden as the perpetrators vs. Mossad, CIA and “war cabinet” formed.

VIDEO #3 (Day 3)

First 11 minutes Eyewitness Evidence of Explosions at WTC; media and spontaneous observations and firefighters and police descriptions. FBI working theory. Naudet film clip
11:01 min testimony by Paul Lemos corroborating (bomb) boom-boom-boom hand gestures of firefighters
19:55 min WTC 7: A Refutation of the Official Account
25:49 min BBC film clip prescripted slipup reporting on WTC 7 collapsing (while it was still standing)
27:00 min Physics of computing velocity vs. time of soccer ball falling compared to graph of free fall of WTC 7; disputes NIST report and argues free fall proves demolition caused the collapse; lack of sufficient data points by NIST.
34:30 min Falsification of timing measurements by NIST; substituting computer model vs. factual video evidence of free fall.
43:17 min Jonathan Cole: The Official Account and Experimental Method (How did the twin towers fall?)
52:30 min Cole: Molten metal and presence of thermate. (explanation of thermite conversion to thermate); live video demo of thermitic box cutter refuting the debunkers’ (National Geographic ‘experts’) attempt to discredit the thermate/molten metal connection.
1:06:32 min Kevin Ryan: Extreme temperatures; nanothermites and gas causing explosions.
1:22:47 min Neils Harrit: Incendiary/Explosive Residue in the WTC Dust; carbon nanotubes, metal spheres, red/grey chips and the thermite reaction. 9/11 - The Loaded Gun - Red/Grey Nanothermite Chips - YouTube
131:30 min David Chandler video clip of south tower top section rocket ‘projectile’ producing white smoke trails resulting in red/grey chips as byproduct of explosives.

VIDEO #4 (Day 4)

Anomalies of flights 77 and 93

Everything is an inside job

This will always happen when one family lies cheats mass murders steals and enslaves humanity into a system of false debt. When one family owns most of the wealth of humanity they are capable of the worst evil.

The real question is Inside what. Answer, Rothschild.

sovereign

Jews control lithium,

you know.

I do not say things like that at all ever

The Rothschild family is kazarian/ashkanazi jew. They are the criminals that create digitized corporate sovereign compounding national debts for this world so yes they own everything.

To say Jews own lithium is bs. The actual Jews own very little they have been genocided along side the palasinians. I think instead of making such a bold statement its better to actually identify the real human culprits by name.

If you are adept to follow the hidden corporate trails and track the corporate layers you find every trail leads to the name of Rothschild. But every trail does not track to so called jews.

That said I do not agree with any religion that makes claims of supremacy, most all do.

sovereign

The Rothschilds and Zionists

The Rothschilds and Zionists wrap themselves in Judaism to hide their crimes. Jews are victims too, just like simpleton Christians who send money to the faith healer.

i usually

stay out of conspiracy stuff but i sincerely believe there is more to 9/11 than we are told, and people should be talking about it, how did building 7 fall? why weren't the black boxes found?(they are built to be indestructible), why didn't they test for explosives when there were tons of witnesses that heard explosions, why was there molted steel, why did they get rid of all evidence so fast? why did they invade Iraq when the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia? i don't know but it boggles my mind when i think.. could a government be capable of this and get away with it, seems crazy eh