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I was asked by a relative to offer my opinion of the Sandy Hook crimes in progress. The relative didn't say "crimes in progress", those are my own words: I don't like speaking in lies.

Call a crime something other than a crime and the criminals tend to get away with murder (and torture).

I answered the question with "I don't know."

So I started to look into it.

I am immediately reminded of this:


http://youtu.be/_iCfvhl9NXw

If you are as unaware of that crime in progress, still in progress, then you are where I was before I started looking into the Sandy Hook crime in progress.

http://www.insanemedia.net/mike-powers-sandy-hook-interview-...

Destruction of evidence is done by criminals, that is self-evident.




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May I ask a fellow Juror a Question?

I AM SCREAMING: WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???

"My question is to ask who signed the purchase order for the experts flown in from Russia to use those children for weapons experiments?"

I JUST FOUND OUT LEE HARVEY OSWALD'S WIFE WAS RUSSIAN...I THINK

Sorry for raising my voice. OK, as I gain composure.

Mr. Clinton, who, specifically, do you take your orders from?

Joe, are they allowed to lie on stand? Does the word "is" have more than one meaning?

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Get on a Jury

Talk to someone who has been on a Jury.

It may help to gain some experience with the concept of jury attendance, as if to say, hey, I may be required, as if having a duty, to attend one of these types of things.

Who knows what may be behind those doors?

In Waco The Big Lie II, I think, I don't remember, but I can look for it, there was a reference made by Linda Thomson concerning evidence having to do with weapons being used on the targets in Waco. There was an imported expert from Russia, flown in, to help with the testing of these alleged weapons.

I picked that out since there must have been documentation concerning that particular Russian person, flying in, on a plane, and not just a tourist wandering into Waco, with a suit case full of clothes, hair care products, and a tooth brush. Real stuff, here, here, here, and a real person here, and a plane ticket, and some means by which the person in question is contacted, asked to attend, an agreement to attend, and even a measure of compensation, who knows, the Russian is hired to do the job, or Mr. Clinton hires the Russian to do the Job, or I don't know, but I want to know, since this is my Jury Trial, I want to know if the deal was a case of charity, or an equitable exchange, like you rub my back, and I'll rub your back.

The Russian finds out how the weapon works on babies, pregnant mothers, etc., and so does Mr. Clinton.

So, Mr. Clinton, what were you thinking?

He takes the 5th?

He can be trusted to tell the truth?

If the buck stops there, then what?

I'll ask you, fellow Juror, what is the sentence?

My suggestion will be to order another trial on the guy, having to do with the Oil for Food Program, after this trial, where his guilt is found, the buck stops, or doesn't stop at Mr. Clinton, and we, you and I decide on a punishment, a fine, removal of his Golden Parachute, some time in the same Jail that the survivors whose crime was to not die in the fire, what?

If we want to try the Oil for Food "program" (read: pogrom) case, then I'll suggest deporting, actually the words is "extradite" the criminal to Iraq, face those jurors, on the same charge.

You know "Extraordinary Rendition"?

Would that be inappropriate? Would that be a cruel and unusual punishment for me, or you, as a Juror to sentence Mr. Clinton to extradition in the case of torture and mass murder for profit of millions of babies in Iraq, so as Mr. Clinton can face those survivors of that pogrom?

What power, in a legal sense, according to the Law of the Land in this Country, does a juror wield?

If we can't accuse Mr. Clinton of torture and murder of babies for profit, which he is most certainly guilty of doing, beyond a reasonable doubt, then there is no Law in this country other than the color of law, dictators law, criminals law, on that National, Monopoly, well funded, level.

So maybe Mr. Clinton is untouchable, one of the untouchables, in a legal sense, above the law of your State.

So should we tailor fit the exercise to be a hypothetical new Waco occurring at the moment, this morning, there on Television, more of the same NEWS, down your street, down my street, somewhere in the middle, happening to our peers?

Suddenly, unexpectedly, in our faces, and much too close to home, while we are so poorly prepared to react in any way, let alone a reasonable way.

Call out the National Guard?

Call 911?

You tell me.

What is the answer you require from Mr. Clinton as you ask your question in this trial we construct for our mutual benefit?

Joe

I want to call Mr.

Bush to the stand: http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Jan05/Whitney0121.htm

I want to know "Why would Homeland Security hire former Stasi chief Markus Wolfe and former head of the KGB General Yevgeni Primakov?"

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So, Mr. Bush why are you hiring foreign terror agents to “fight the war on terror” in support of Homeland Security?

The 5th you say? Well then send your patsy to the stand.
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My fellow juror, how then do we decide on punishment and not become that which we abhor?

“You know "Extraordinary Rendition"?”

http://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q=away+evil+among+you...

Please take a moment to look at that query and tell me, what do you see?

Oil for Food Program, yes, I remember reading about that after you told me about it. It seems there are more that should be brought to the stand?

I have some thoughts about the 5th Amendment http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_tra... :
“Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”
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If someone cannot testify against themselves, perhaps that was supposed to alleviate confession torture? So what is the deal with people having to sign confessions under lengthy police interrogations? You know, the kind you see on TV…good cop, bad cop. Doesn’t that violate the spirit of the 5th amendment? Or is that what is done so that the letter of the 5th amendment is not violated in a “court of law?”
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I have served on a jury in Galveston, Texas. It was to determine whether a repeated dwi offender was guilty after being pulled over and was allegedly intoxicated. The whole trial hinged on whether it could be proven that the breathalyzer was calibrated correctly. It was a theatrical production as far as I was concerned. A mockery. A case of is is.

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The peace remedy?

"My fellow juror, how then do we decide on punishment and not become that which we abhor?"

If the sentence is nothing more than a guilty verdict, that is fine with me, but is it a good idea to keep paying these criminals their "retirement" income, including any tax breaks from other incomes not available to the people who actually earn income?

What happens if a fellow juror refuses to listen to reason, in any case?

At least the trial is shown on The Alex Jones Show, or, does Alex then show his true colors too, and refuse to broadcast the discoveries found in the official manner of discovering the legally authoritative version of the facts?

If all that due process is merely evil, as in Men are Bad, then why keep paying so much to the most evil among us?

Why call it tax, when it is merely investing all the good stuff that can be produced, by all us evil humans, into turning that good stuff into evil stuff instead?

If the idea is to be good, how can you, or I, in good conscience, work another minute to produce another kilowatt/hour worth of anything good, when doing so ends up painting a target on our backs, for those people to collect on their Golden Parachutes, for serving evil so well?

Trial by Jury, not perfect, by any means, could conceivably, at least, shine the light on the worst among us, so as to warn others as to what can be expected when those worst among us knock on the door.

"If someone cannot testify against themselves, perhaps that was supposed to alleviate confession torture?"

Torture is known to be unreliable, and therefore counterproductive, besides being as evil as evil can get.

I think a huge problem, a problem I am just now discussing with my cousin Mike on my forum, has to do with any residual credit given to Legal Criminals, where no such credit has been earned, where in fact the opposite is true.

What is the opposite of credit?

So The Constitution Usurpation was the problem of the day, and a fix to that problem was these Bills of Rights, including that Fifth Amendment. What can anyone make of such a thing?

I think it may be a good idea to judge the situation for what it was, not what we may want it to have been, and it is a compromise to Liberty, and who, on what end, forces such a compromise in any case whatsoever?

That brings us back to the question of who is the boss.

You have goodness in God on your side, teaching you to avoid being that which you supposedly abhor, refusing to join the criminals, refusing to be one, and in that, to me, includes not abandoning the victims.

You make as good a boss as any other human being, for those reasons.

Who do you elect to be above you in this authority to do good, for you, where you are not available, or capable, where you are, alone, and powerless, in any case whatsoever?

"...nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law..."

Why is it, in my travels, the case, always it seems to me, unless you can come up with one, whereby proponents of The Constitution end up referring to The Declaration of Independence, or The Bill of Rights, when crediting this Constitution with so much goodness?

Is that a clue?

What is this due process stuff if it is not a means by which the powerless victims are not abandoned and left to be tortured, and be murdered, in masses, in churches, by people collecting National Debt?

Waco, for example, was a tax collecting operation, in case you did not catch that fact in The Big Lie effort to inform those who are next.

"So what is the deal with people having to sign confessions under lengthy police interrogations?"

So...put on your juror hat.

What is due process?

Who is due process for and be precise if possible, please.

"You know, the kind you see on TV…good cop, bad cop."

Here is a fairly large myth, it seems to me, as to what due process is, in fact, and what is the opposite, and again I think we can spell this out in a math problem.

Common Law - Admiralty Law = Legal Crime

Common Law, or Natural Law, includes the concept of a process that is due to everyone without exception.

Does that sound reasonable to anyone, without exception?

If there is an exception, what is reasonable to that person, and would that person actually tell the truth or could you expect, trust, that the exceptions are exceptions because they lie so well?

Predictably.

What is the purpose of this or that television show dealing with cops?

I saw a show on yesterday, a show that I would not watch on my own, I have my own preferences for things on television, but I was not controlling the channeling device. A family swaps a wife with another family.

You can see red now, if I know you well enough, but it becomes even more clearly a case of willful intent to modify behavior, to me, as I watch.

A religious family send a bible thumping religious person, dressed provocatively, at least I thought she looked very attractive, as if that was the intent, to be attractive, but this person, in this counterfeit way, it seems to me, represents Christians.

You probably didn't watch the show.

The Christian swaps a wife from a family where the wife is married to the dad, and has herself a wife, it seems, I'm not sure, but dad was holding the hands of the wife who was swapped, and holding hands with a younger, more attractive woman, who was, apparently, the lesbian lover of the wife, and who knows what else, but I have an active imagination, so I guess, and meanwhile, since now I know a true Christian, and I have a basic idea of true Christianity, and so I can see this situation from a less vulgar viewpoint, not merely my own viewpoint, but I can borrow the true Christian viewpoint, at least as far as I understand it, despite my tendencies to be a vulgar child-like adult, and the show, the T.V. Show, with wife swapping, is contrasted against an actual Christian viewpoint.

Something here appears to be premeditated, as if to say, hey, it is OK to be anything you want, do anything you want, whenever you want, be free, free from costs, someone else will pay, and don't listen to those Christians, they are hypocrites.

I'm thinking that Television is Monopolized, a tool, a very destructive one, when there is no competition. Now there is competition, and so the Monopoly Message can be left behind, is being left behind, but the damage has been done: more torches of freedom.

Please excuse the wandering so far off topic, I hope my report does not disturb you too much.

"It was a theatrical production as far as I was concerned. A mockery. A case of is is."

No need to elaborate, but my point was to point out a specific command of power. If you had none, that is the point. If you had power, but did not utilize it, then that is the point. If you had power, abused it, then that would be the point. If you know what I mean, since you were on a Jury, then consider how someone not ever on a Jury may be considering the concept based upon no experience other than hearsay.

I hear people say a lot of things when considering Jury Duty.

Joe

I read your reply last night and I wanted to do a little researc

but did not come up with much. Was trying to work the Edward Bernays link to the propaganda you had ocassion to watch the other night on TV. That which is purposefully meant for human consumption?

So shall we ask why? Who authorized that script to be written. Who authorized the purchase of the clothing the "Christian" mother was to wear? Who and Why? Why is Joe and the love of his life subjected to watching that? Who else in this country saw that show? Which children saw that show? What ideas were forged?

I like to watch TV. I can't watch it. Not because I can't turn it on. But because I no longer want to. It was an internal struggle for a while to cast it out of my life. I asked God for help. He changed my desires. I liked to watch CSI when it first came out. I like science and detective stuff. The shows became so dark. I learned of things I had never even heard of when it came to sex and death.

Who is putting those shows on our TV and what is it doing to people who do not have control over their physical beings? What about people who are not happily married and are searching for fulfillment? What direction does that point them in?

I found this last night: http://www.csustan.edu/History/Faculty/Weikart/Marx-Engels-a...

It is an easy read. I think you will find it interesting. You probably have alot more background than I do.

"'It is a peculiar fact' stated Engels a few months after Marx died, 'that with every great revolutionary movement the question of 'free love' comes to the foreground'.'"

I think you saw what was on TV regarding the family and costs because we are free. But freedom comes with responsibility. There is something called license or
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/licentiousness
li·cen·tious (l-snshs)
adj.
1. Lacking moral discipline or ignoring legal restraint, especially in sexual conduct.
2. Having no regard for accepted rules or standards.

What happens when we ask enough questions to figure out who authorized the wife swap show and CSI sex suffocation crime scenes broadcast to an American people who at one time resembled June and Ward Cleaver, for the most part?

I realize you didn't grow up that way, I didn't either. My mom did. But think entropy. Think of decay, it spreads. A little affects the whole until the whole is affected.

I think ultimately the one who will be on trial will be the theif who comes to kill, still and destroy and he does that thru willing agents. You mentioned something about Satanism a couple of comments back.

Ephesians 6:12 KJV
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

2 Corinthians 11:14 KJV
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angelof light.

in more context:

13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
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You mention Waco and yes, I remember the tax angle...They needed to collect taxes? How much money was expended to gather those taxes? Are the same hypocrits that put marriage swap on TV the same ones who were going to save the Waco children from abuse but abused them instead?

Who ordained the family? Who wants to destroy it? Why? Who delights when The Routine is performed? If it cannot be performed as of yet upon the people of the United States because we are still armed, can it be public consumption on TV instead?

The TV show you mention makes me feel sad. I don't see red, I see sorrow. Sorrow that that is where we are at. The Amish women will not even engage a strange man in public eye to eye. As women, we have gone from covering our heads and our bodies to flaunting it all.

Christian wife swap on TV? in the 70's there was a Christian family who allowed their daughter to sleep on a couch with her boyfriend everynight. Naive? Is it our business not bo be? How many times did me and my friends say we were spending the night at each others house only to stay out all night because none of our parents bothered to talk to each other? Not only do we send our earnings, we send our power which is in more than money. Power that money cannot buy. Power that is internal to human life. There is human power that is deminished thru moral decay...IMO.

I do feel abit like I am on a soapbox this morning.

Joe, do you know that an Edward Bernays campaign was run against Guatamala? If you want to fast forward to 4.5 minutes you will get to the stuff about Guatamala. Before that part there is talk about women smoking though.

http://youtu.be/OYCBbJE7G40

I think there are plenty of people to bring to the stand, and you make a good point, why do we send them our power? Why do we pay for our own demise? I can no longer claim to be naive. Now what is my excuse? Too afraid? Too lazy? Too conditioned?

I am not sure where this guy is comeing from. I don't think it is the "right." But I think there might be a message:


http://youtu.be/Q2CCs-x9q9U

He is likening the US to Rome. Description says he is going to talk about the fall of the Soviet Union as well. I fell asleep before I could hear it all. I will probably try to listen as I clean today.

What if everything on TV had provided energy for ectropy? I think Bernays can tell us, it would not sell like energy for entropy does.

Why? Could it be the baseness found in our humanity?

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The ideas intended.

"What ideas were forged?"

"The Utopian Socialists Charles Fourier and Robert Owen had preceded Marx and Engels in their rejection of traditional family relationships, and many nineteenth-century leftists followed their cue."

The ideas that are being forged, willfully, the actual intent, is to falsify perception, because people infected with false perceptions are power-less.

The idea is to be power-full, at the expense of those who are rendered power-less.

The actual work of Charles Fourier and Robert Owen, like the work of Stephen Pearl Andrews, and Mikhail Bakunin, is their actual work. If they are allowed to speak for themselves, instead of having someone speak for them, then someone caring to know what caused them to be rejected by Marx and Engels could know, rather than be filled with false perceptions, it seems to me.

http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/classics/manifesto.html

That is the horses mouth. That is The Communist Manifesto, unless that Web Page is printing a counterfeit version of it.

Here are words taken from The Communist Manifesto:

"Yet, when it was written, we could not have called it a _socialist_ manifesto. By Socialists, in 1847, were understood, on the one hand the adherents of the various Utopian systems: Owenites in England, Fourierists in France, both of them already reduced to the position of mere sects, and gradually dying out; on the other hand, the most multifarious social quacks who, by all manner of tinkering, professed to redress, without any danger to capital and profit, all sorts of social grievances, in both cases men outside the working-class movement, and looking rather to the "educated" classes for support. Whatever portion of the working class had become convinced of the insufficiency of mere political revolutions, and had proclaimed the necessity of total social change, called itself Communist. It was a crude, rough-hewn, purely instinctive sort of communism; still, it touched the cardinal point and was powerful enough amongst the working class to produce the Utopian communism of Cabet in France, and of Weitling in Germany. Thus, in 1847, socialism was a middle-class movement, communism a working-class movement. Socialism was, on the Continent at least, "respectable"; communism was the very opposite. And as our notion, from the very beginning, was that "the emancipation of the workers must be the act of the working class itself," there could be no doubt as to which of the two names we must take. Moreover, we have, ever since, been far from repudiating it."

In my way of seeing those words, it is obvious that one is opposite the other one in ways that can be understood.

My understanding is that one way is the voluntary way and the other way is the involuntary way.

If the idea is to be against involuntary families, the word "family" is out of place, in my opinion.

Examples abound.

"Dad" and "mom" have children to enslave them, torture them, then murder them, for fun and profit.

That may appear to be a happy family, a good thing, even if asking the children, who know no better, who they love, in their family, as they scream, and before they die.

If someone says that I, me, someone, says, hey, look, I'm against involuntary associations, and then someone else says, hey, look, that guy is anti-family, then the case is rested?

Falsehood is not so hard to understand, in my opinion.

When someone uses the word free, they may mean free from involuntary associations.

I can do that now.

I think children can be free from torture and mass murder by their parents, or anyone else.

Example:

A mom, her name is Cindy Sheehan, had a family, they paid investments into The FUND, orders were signed, a family member joined The Military that is funded by The FUND, that child of that parent died.

Who was free from responsibility in that case?

If I say "free from torture and murder" and someone else says "free from torture and murder" there can be further confusion between the two viewpoints.

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I mean, no one is tortured and murdered, because we are all free from it, finally, at least the legal form of torture and murder, we are free for that, finally, and that is what I mean, when I say free.

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Someone else means, free from being tortured right now, since thinking about it is torturous, and it is much easier to just pay the extortion fee, or even easier to wave the flag, and join the fun, as our earnings are being sent to The FUND, and orders are signed, and babies, expectant mothers, and all kinds of people, millions, are tortured, and murdered, willfully, on our investments in being so free.

So Cindy Sheehan went from being this free, here in this place at this time, a living son, a real parent type person in a family, to wallowing in pink, and so her viewpoint is no longer as free as can be, and certainly not of any use to me.

Too much pink for me.

I'm not having a good day.

"I realize you didn't grow up that way, I didn't either. My mom did. But think entropy. Think of decay, it spreads. A little affects the whole until the whole is affected."

Lies and violence are exemplary things, done, willfully, by individual people. One lie demands 2 more to cover up the first one. 2 becomes 4.

4 x 4 = 16.

Violence is similar, or worse, or there is a relationship worthy of note.

Speaking about communists, and pink, and all that, there is this Russian guy, and his words haunt my brain at times.

"But let us not forget that violence does not live alone and is not capable of living alone: it is necessarily interwoven with falsehood. Between them lies the most intimate, the deepest of natural bonds. Violence finds its only refuge in falsehood, falsehood its only support in violence. Any man who has once acclaimed violence as his METHOD must inexorably choose falsehood as his PRINCIPLE."

I think I know what that means, and I don't see a need to translate the message in any way. It appears to be an accurate message the way it is written.

"If it cannot be performed as of yet upon the people of the United States because we are still armed, can it be public consumption on TV instead?"

That is the point of me pointing out Waco as the exemplary Trial by Jury Case up for discussion anywhere, anytime, when the idea is to accurately measure the most serious threat to mankind, to all life, and then to begin to effect remedy.

Waco was a Nation Wide False Advertizement Campaign. It was Reality Television. It was made to happen on purpose, without any room for any reasonable doubt, it was not like a driver of a car falling asleep at the wheel and a resulting accident occurring.

Entertainment?

"As women, we have gone from covering our heads and our bodies to flaunting it all."

Here is where we part, as if I have any stake in what other people do, how they dress, whatever, I don't. To me the "family values" subject is diversion.

Waco was pivotal. Note how The Franklin Case, by contrast, was not broadcast on National Television for months.

Waco, big story, "news worthy", in your face, each day, for months.

What was the time period, I forget, but I want to check now.

"Between the days of February 28, 1993 and April 19th, 1993, approximately 80 men, women, and children living peacefully in their home near Waco, Texas, were killed by the combined efforts of the US Defense Department and other government paramilitary units: the US Treasury Department's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF), and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). The incident also claimed the lives of four ATF agents."

From the most accurate record I have found so far:

http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/cover/c_pa...

Note the stark contrast in two ways, now, please.

Take that report on that web page and compare that report on that web page with any memory you may have of the events as they were happening.

Now remember The Franklin Case as you remember it happening.

The point here may be that you don't remember The Franklin Case as it happened. There was a documentary done on it, and the record I've seen, possibly not accurate, reports that the documentary was canceled, but can be seen on YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asvl6kO1Vo8

"Power that is internal to human life. There is human power that is deminished thru moral decay...IMO."

We part there too. If the words of Catherine Austin Fitts measures up, then there is a lot of power removed from humankind, productive power, in her words equity used to crate more equity, and why that word equity is used, I don't know.

What happens if instead of 12 hours a day at work, a person could spend 4 hours a day at work instead, and have more, not less, power to invest in other equitable things?

I can offer my own experience. I went from too much work to no work, measured as Federal Reserve Notes transferred from other people to an account having my name on it, which I won't call a "private" account, since the actual fact of the matter is that THE account with my name on it constituted a supposed gift from me to people who claimed to be authorized to take that gift from me as Federal Income Tax. Going from high income to no income corresponded with me being an absentee father and me being someone near those people my wife and I reproduced, these people we call son and daughter. The change was remarkable going from absentee father to father of some measure.

What measure?

Some.

Not perfect.

Take a similar measure, some, but not perfect, and times that same movement from path A to path B, and what happens?

The viewpoint where men are bad claims that we are bad no matter what, so more time on our bad hands is more mischief, or some other measure of a possible consequence to moving from path A to path B.

Tapeworm economy to what I call Power Independence.

I'll grab a relevant quote from Catherine Austin Fitts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gP6rn...

"If we could finance communities with equity, how much equity could be created?"

"...the float on the New York Stock Exchange increase a multiple of six times..."

So you want to focus on the moral decay of the degenerate targets, who happen to be targets because they can actually produce more during the day compared to what was available at the start of the day, so they may, I may, we may, be degenerate in a religious sense, but focus on that, is your choice not mine, and someone else may focus on how Catherine Austin Fitts is promoting socialism and a planned economy and how wrong she is, since she is not a true (religion) conservative republican free market Austrian Economics Professor.

Someone else may want to focus on the symbolism of the Devil pervading many modern forms of media, television, corporate, magazine, brands, logos, whatever.

The devil did it.

Moral decay did it.

The point to me is to point out what you found in Catherine Austin Fitts, and her video report.

Problem = These people doing these things.

Solution = We, who are people, do these things instead.

Which things?

I think Catherine Austin Fitts spells it out well enough.

Stop sending money to The FUND.

Person A sends money to The FUND to get a .07 percent interest rate on a savings account because Person A has this much surplus wealth, produced, transferred to Person A, and a savings account is an investment, a use, a consumption, an employment, of that POWER.

Hide the POWER in a ditch in the back yard, and that is an investment too; either way the POWER is consumed.

Does the POWER generate more POWER or not?

Person B borrows money from The FUND and pays 10 percent interest rate do then be employed and to then hire people who are wanting to be employed, locally.

What?

What are you talking about now, Joe, the subject is the moral decay of society.

No, Joe, the subject is the stark differences between the evil socialism and the ever so wonderful capitalism.

No, the subject is a test trial because the same people offering .07 percent if you let them consume the POWER you earn, are the same people who use that POWER they get to then Fraudulently claim to be loaning out that POWER, when they are actually borrowing it, and they claim that the people loaning that POWER to them, are borrowing it, and so they claim that the lenders own them the entire Principle of the POWER they borrow, and they claim the the lenders, who loan them the entire principle, are then authorized to pay them National Interest to the tune of 10 percent for each unit POWER that they borrow from the lenders, and because those same operators of that same Fraudulent FUND, are guilty of running the Reality Television Show known as Waco.

So the idea was to hold a trial, employ the concept of due process, and see if such a concept is a viable one, and if it isn't, then why send another dime to The FUND?

If it is one, if due process is a viable process, then why send another dime to The FUND?

If due process is false, and isn't worth a dime, then why send another dime to The FUND?

If due process is workable, if not perfect, and worth a dime of your time, then follow through with it, and how can you, or anyone, arrive at anything other than the clear understanding that sending another dime to The FUND is an investment in makes sure that WACO arrives at your door, with you in the house, or the church, or if you are gone by then, it will be your children's door, their home, or their church, as The FUND sends the collectors who collect torture and death.

And by The FUND I do not mean a thing, I mean a list of names, people, all of which are connected to The FUND through the ONE MONEY that is produced by those same people collected together with that Fraudulent FUND, currently denominated in Federal Reserve Notes.

"I do feel abit like I am on a soapbox this morning."

Fine with me, but meanwhile, as you are discussing the moral decay of humankind, it seems to me that there are at least three general things that can be done by a certain date, whereby the particular thoughts and actions done to reach for these goals are common sense things, not too tough to understand, so I get on my soap box too.

"I think there are plenty of people to bring to the stand, and you make a good point, why do we send them our power? Why do we pay for our own demise? I can no longer claim to be naive. Now what is my excuse? Too afraid? Too lazy? Too conditioned?"

The fact that you are no longer willfully hiding the facts is a huge victory. I want to again borrow from Catherine Austin Fitts:

"We are coming into an end game and the question in that end game is: a lot of the people who have been following the criminals, because they thought it paid, are now discovering maybe it is not going to pay."

"The minute we say OK you know something we're going to run our capital, and were are going to make our decisions based upon what has the highest total economy return, and suddenly you are talking about wealth creation that literally most people in my generation can't even fathom."

That is not news. That is along the lines of the words by Thomas Paine and "providing the means by which we suffer" and the words of Henry Ford having to do with the revolution that can happen "before tomorrow morning".

The minute we say OK, how about trying equity, to trust in something other than Absolute Abject Belief in Falsehood Without Question, what happens?

One individual person, like you, is no longer polarized to cause total destruction of mankind and every other form of life on this Planet.

You can go back to being a cog in the wheel, sure, it can happen, but you are now a wrench in that machine, because you question it.

How many people questioning it is needed, I don't know?

More than one.

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What if everything on TV had provided energy for ectropy? I think Bernays can tell us, it would not sell like energy for entropy does.

Why? Could it be the baseness found in our humanity?
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Once again we part. You blame humanity, because that is your safe place, I suppose, but to me it is a very serious contradiction.

If, you say, "TV had provided" as if this thing called a TV picks out this show and that show to show this person and that person, to offer something to people who may, or may not, choose this, and not choose that, so this TV has this POWER?

What if?

What if instead of WACO being Reality Television for all, at once, or else, do watch, and to know the lesson told, and to obey without question, instead of that, what if the documentary on The Franklin case was chosen by this TV to be on TV for people to watch or not watch for months on end every night?

Of course, under that scenario, people would turn off the second time The Franklin Case Documentary aired on TV, since they saw it already. OK, so what if, in stead of every time WACO was aired on every channel it was broadcast on, every magazine, every newspaper, every Television show, every time The Sinful Messiah Message was Fraudulently Broadcast from those who did the broadcasting to those who witnessed that crime in progress, instead of that, there were hand picked reports picked by me, or by Alex Jones, or by Gerald Celente, or by Ron Paul, or you, or all of us who just happen to find that the Monopoly News Organization, funded by The FUND, is false, and that maybe, just maybe, people would trust each other more, if they could see someone worthy of trust once in a long while, instead of the constant, relentless, barrage of evil that pervades modern mass media?

By accident?

Natural choices of errant mankind?

We part on that point in opposite directions.

Joe

Well

You have been talking to me about Edward Bernays and he is the one that sells stuff and if you watch that first link you will find out why I was talking about moral decay. I think it is part of the money game. I think the 2 go hand in hand. Not only do we send our money, they steal our money by drawing us thru base instincts like women growing a you know what by smoking. They sell us what we don't need and extort the rest of us. Fraud and theft. Hand in hand.

Yes were I can see the agreement

No where I can't.

The men are bad thing, I just don't get it.

Some men are very bad, and they prove it, so why do the victims credit the bad ones for doing good, and at the same time the good people pay the debts tallied up by those bad people?

Our natural order?

I don't think so.

I'm having a bit of a bad day, not finding a better way out of the mire. It is something though, a credit of sorts, to wastes of time, not earning an income, but finding a song on my guitar instead.

Joe

Josf

I think maybe that people have good and bad mixed in them. And if I understood the Bernays clip, he thought people were all bad. I think the truth of the matter is that both good as well as bad instincts that can be appealed to.

There was a day in America when people were sold things because they needed them and they were sold to those people on the basis of that need and on the idea that if you buy the item I am selling it will last longer and work out better than the item my competitor is selling. Then Berneys figured out thru his Uncle Fruede's work that one could appeal to a different level in people. The level that says if you buy my product all the hot chicks will take note. Or if you smoke you will be as good as a man, etc.

I think maybe we make choices in life and Berneys figured out that in marketing the sensual draw is stronger than the rational draw thus causing people to buy that which they do not need, but rather want.

For the Christian, the Bible puts it this way:

Galatians 5:16 KJV
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

I have a choice as to which appetite I will feed. The one that I feed will dominate my life. Berneys figured out how to tap into the lust of the flesh and has been using that as a marketing strategy. That makes me think of what appetite is being used to dominate people in America.

I know that is a long way off our topic of Waco. It was just that I connected some financial dots between taxes being extracted and money being coerced thru advertising/marketing schemes. And I was wondering if all of the money goes to support the same FUND. Bernays solicited the Reagan government for a fruit company to ouste a democratically elected capitalist leader who was instituting land reforms in Guatamala. Berneys also worked for most of the large companies. Since we were having a trial by jury I thought maybe we could find out if all the money taxed and extorted thru false advertising supported The Fund.

I am glad you liked the Fitts link. I thought alot about the things you have taught me as I listened to her speak. I thought you would like her because she didn't just talk about the problems but also talked about solutions. You do the same thing. You are even able to quote Fitts. I can't do that.

I finished listening to Chalmers Johnson today. I think he is "left" leaning but speaks truth. I heard him talking about Chavez and the privately owned media that caused the people to turn on him. The talk was during 2003 I think. So it is dated. He has some other talks I want to listen to. I think you might enjoy him as well. There is something else I was going to tell you that I heard him talk about but now I can't remember what it was.

I can't even remember the outcome of the trial I was a juror on...even though I want to. It was nearly 30 years ago so, maybe that is an excuse? Last time I got called for duty I was in the middle of chemo treatments and declined. I was bed ridden.

Josf, because of you, I am able to listen with an open mind and maybe toss some of the stuff out or ignore it, but hear what I think is true. You probably would do better.

I am sorry you are not having such a good day today. You mentioned that earlier too and I took note. I should have said something then. I hope the guitar playing brought a measure of comfort. I am feeling good today, finally, and I am glad about that. Having bad days is not fun.

The man that wrote part of this song used to be a slave trader before he met Jesus. His name was John Newton. I think the words are beautiful. This is a different take on the song:

http://youtu.be/Y-4NFvI5U9w

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Equitable Commerce?

"There was a day in America when people were sold things because they needed them and they were sold to those people on the basis of that need and on the idea that if you buy the item I am selling it will last longer and work out better than the item my competitor is selling."

You ran a business, my wife runs a business, I ran a business called selling my labor for whatever the market will bear, as wrong as it may have been, or is, it was not subsidized.

Subsidized.

How about this angle, and I'm fuming, I think, because I am having this new round of discussion with my cousin, and as far as I can tell, right now, he is making a Straw Man out of me too. So I think, OK MIKE, how about this angle (but he is too busy, or too economical to respond to my last offering; quickly), so I continue the discussion in my own mind.

Try this on:

Assemble as many concerned people as you can, in your imagination, to ask people to raise their hand, and get a count of what people think, to get an idea as to what human beings are like, so as to know better about our own species of living things.

We are not frogs.

We are human beings.

Question to the human beings (frogs won't raise their hands):

Do you like being lied to by other human beings, or frogs?

Now count the votes.

Do any raise their hands?

Can you trust that even the liars won't raise their hands?

Now ask, if anyone thinks that it is the right thing to do to lie to other people, since no one raised their hands, then we can now know who among the human being are immoral, people who do unto others as they would not have them do unto you.

Now, self-evident creatures that we are, supposedly capable of knowing how to avoid death by such things as, OH, I don't know, cannibalism.

Try that too.

How many want to be eaten by their neighbors? Anyone? Send an arm over to your neighbor tonight, or just go ahead and call them up, tell them dinner is in a few hours, and then jump on the BBQ.

So we, living creatures, not like rocks, don't stare at the sun, and other such self-evident things not worth our time and effort, and we expect the liars to confess their true feelings about what they will, or will not, do to other human beings?

So, you listened to Catherin Fitts too, as I did, and what else was said that was worthy of note?

Hold on, I can find it easy, because it was noteworthy to me, like another person traveling on the same well worn pathways in brain matter, and I now have company in that "way of thinking", which is a stark contrast to having only me playing the same chess game over and over and over and over again and again and again night and day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUlQ7vElqqo

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"There's nothing more important to building either a healthy civilization or a healthy economy than transparency. So one of my favorite economics book is a book called The Evolution of Cooperation by a brilliant economist Robert Axlerood, and in it he describes the conditions; what are the conditions that would bring about an economy where people make money by building peace and cooperation instead of war and destruction, and what he finds out is the most important condition precedent is transparency, and transparency means that if I want to consider engaging in a transaction with you, I know if you are a good guy or a bad guy, do you wear a white hat or a black hat.

If you can go to the other side of the planet and rape and kill and maim and then come back and be socially prestigious here, and we not know, then crime pays. In that economy: if you can do dirty and secret and still be socially acceptable, then crime will always pay in that kind of economy. So the condition precedent to a healthy economy is: how can we make it expensive to be a criminal? Because if I know that you are wearing a black hat then it is like EWWWW, I don't want to do business with you.
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Men are bad, so bad, so I have this idea, since we are all so bad, and all, how about finding the worst of us, and pay them the most money, for doing what they do so well.

Raise your hand if you think that is a good idea.

Everyone all at once, counted accurately by which one's use the one money.

Fitts also makes the connection between actual POWER, such as Oil, required to FUND the FUND. She also makes the connection of having to have The Military, to get control of the (plentiful) Oil, to make that scarce. So she makes the connection to the Food Supply, another POWER, make that scarce, and who is finding Food to be scarce?

No one?

Food isn't scarce Joe, you moron, food is abundant stupid. What is the price?

If food is abundant, check out the buffet at one of those Las Vegas Casinos, see how much is being thrown away, but what is the price?

Power produced into oversupply reduces the price of power.

Yea, whatever, dunce, go back to your hole, or under your rock.

"I think maybe we make choices in life and Berneys figured out that in marketing the sensual draw is stronger than the rational draw thus causing people to buy that which they do not need, but rather want."

Human babies know things, this was once common sense, there they are, and feed them, and look, they learn things. How?

Wait, if we are going to keep our POWER over everyone, that is a threat, don't you know?

Who?

We.

Who is we?

Everyone who can write a check for as much money as everyone else on the planet combined, is we, and then buy everything needed to make people too stupid to know better than to let us, this we group, get away with spending all that money on making war so good for our economy.

Men are bad, Joe, we are so bad, we need to be sending more of our power, not less, to those few people who demand blind obedience to their falsehoods without question.

Excuse me, please, I made a critical error with the last sentence.

Here:

Men are bad, Joe, we are so bad, we need to be sending more of their power, not less, the power we produce, to those few people, more, more, and more, not less, even though we are less capable of making more power, since we send so much of their power to them, already, but we must send more, not less, send more to those people who demand obedience to OUR falsehoods without question.

I'm fuming more, and more, today. My family is so far behind in this, they are stuck in zombie mode, hypnotized, and I can see it, measure it, know it, and I am incapable of doing anything about it, other than relentless persistence in the face of relentless persistence.

Transparency in the face of falsehood.

Who owns the falsehoods?

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Galatians 5:16 KJV
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
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So you are stuck on that moral decay angle and that is fine, round and round it goes, where it stops, I don't care.

To me it is as diversion.

"Berneys figured out how to tap into the lust of the flesh and has been using that as a marketing strategy. That makes me think of what appetite is being used to dominate people in America."

I think it is much deeper than a laser like focus of light on flesh, as if getting rid of all flesh solves the problem, if that is your angle here, which we part here, at this fence. The tools in the tool chest of just how people can be overpowered include any desire for anything, accessed under false fronts, past moral conscience, into a now active subconscious, creating in the target a duality of thinking, a second soul next to the innocent soul that existed before the aggressive attack into that targeted individual brain.

Women, to me, are more vulnerable, because of their greater capacity (power) to think, genetically driven, or instinctual driven, thinking, about preservation of the species OVER, more powerful, than individual preservation of the self.

Legal Criminals have made a science of this tool in this chest of tools used to perpetrate Legal Crime, and Edward Bernays proves the point well enough, for anyone caring to look.

So what is the solution.

Fitts makes the Food to Money Monopoly Power connection too. Why do you think I have Modular Vertical Farming Units on my list of Equitable Loans at the Equitable Bank store?

The Oil monopoly Power Age is out, since electricity is bound to be cheaper, unless World War III goes off on schedule, so Food has to be monopolized, it makes perfect sense.

I see it.

Plain as day.

"And I was wondering if all of the money goes to support the same FUND."

One money, World Reserve Currency, how can you not see the answer to your question, it is self-evident. Do you have the power to write yourself a check for as much money as everyone else combined, so much money that you could fiance every side in a coming World War if you cared to buy such a thing?

Does that power exist? Does the power to write a check for as much money as everyone else combined, and get away with spending it, exist?

I've woke up in a bad Horror Movie. Where is my Mr. Wizard button? Help Mr. Wizard, help, I want to get out now.

I'm in a cartoon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuvQRdDJtLA

"I think he is "left" leaning but speaks truth."

OH NO! He leans left!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fitts says capitalism so she is OK?

Fitts says Free Market so she is OK?

What does leaning "left" mean?

Free Love?

Someone says no to involuntary associations and they lean left?

Someone says that voluntary associations can be where volunteers "collect" their power into one FUND and spend that power on defending against involuntary associations and they are leaning left?

What is left?

I have a book by Chalmers Johnson. I read it. I'll get it. I'll refresh my memory, here, because I voluntarily associate with you, combining my power to know better with yours, gaining equitably by the association, in defense of liberty, but not leaning left, of course, because that would be worthy of some accurate stone throwing.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Sorrows-Empire-Militarism-Republic...

Thanks for the help, it is precious, and I may be passing on more costs at this point. If you can do me a favor, it would be to avoid being infected by my present mood. I can erase this response, but I think you would prefer that I do not, and so this time I will send it, not erase it, speaking freely, being transparent, may have more value to it than that which is on the surface.

Joe

Simple People

“he is making a Straw Man out of me too.”

Is the word “too” meaning to include me? I am not trying to make any Straw Men. Josf, I can’t play chess. Maybe 1 move ahead and I might forget what I was planning before I even get to that move. Do you think I am trying to set you up? That is not my goal. I am just expressing my opinions, trying to learn and understand your point of view and reaping the benefits of this mutual voluntary exchange in which costs are involved as well, and wondering if you are still talking to me after me sending you that cartoon? I realize the characters are a bit mixed up and most of the traits resemble me and you are by no means following me, but I just thought the whole thing was funny because the one fish cannot remember what she is doing from one moment to the next.

I spent all day with the Amish and had to get dinner fixed when I got home and had no idea what to fix. That reminds me of the part where she misplaces her family… anyways , we are in search of liberty, not you son. And I know from time to time you must think something is desperately wrong with me when I come up with ill conceived conclusions that have nothing to do with the point you are trying to pound into my head or at least point me in the direction towards so that I might learn something. And I know I can’t even do a jury trial right. I can’t do a play right, and I can’t do a land ownership experiment right either. And if you are tired of having patience with me, I can understand. I am sure there are many more competitive people that can stay on topic and remember the topic and are able to relay the topic.

“Can you trust that even the liars won't raise their hands?”

The liars would probably raise their hands to make the idea of lying sound like a good and positive thing to be had while cannibalizing all that might oppose.
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Fitts: “If you can go to the other side of the planet and rape and kill and maim and then come back and be socially prestigious here, and we not know, then crime pays. In that economy: if you can do dirty and secret and still be socially acceptable, then crime will always pay in that kind of economy. So the condition precedent to a healthy economy is: how can we make it expensive to be a criminal? Because if I know that you are wearing a black hat then it is like EWWWW, I don't want to do business with you.”

Yes, I liked that part too. So many of her words rang true after talking with you for all this time. They were just a reinforcement of the things that Joe has said.

I wonder if her talk could be shown to groups of people and if people could start working together to decentralize power back to their own locations? I wonder if chamber of commerce groups would listen to the talk and take action…like loaning each other money instead of getting their money from New York. Investing privately and locally instead of on the open stock exchange. Quit sending power somewhere else. I am not sure if she covered developing a currency, but that could be added so that FRN are not due.

“Fitts also makes the connection between actual POWER, such as Oil,”

OK, that reminds me of the other thing that Chalmers Johnson link I watched. It had something to do with controlling China thru oil. But I can’t remember what it was. I have tried listening to him again, but I fall asleep before I get to that part. I usually have to go to sleep to someone talking so I can quit thinking.

“I'm fuming more, and more, today. My family is so far behind in this,”

Would Fitts get thru to them? Jeff, never has finished listening. He is so busy, plus, his synopsis after falling asleep after 20 minutes is that she just keeps switching from one topic to the next without supporting documentation. Jeff has not had the luxury of learning from Joe for the last year, so the things she is saying are all new to him, so he has no framework to hang her words on. Plus he is not a “money” guy, and that can have its positive sides.

“a second soul next to the innocent soul that existed before the aggressive attack into that targeted individual brain.”

Actually speaking from a Biblical point of view. A non-believer is singular. Just the old man. A Believer has both the old man and the new man residing within.
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So you have already read Chalmers Johnson, and last week was the first time I ever even heard of him.
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“Thanks for the help, it is precious, and I may be passing on more costs at this point. If you can do me a favor, it would be to avoid being infected by my present mood. I can erase this response, but I think you would prefer that I do not, and so this time I will send it, not erase it, speaking freely, being transparent, may have more value to it than that which is on the surface.”

Joe, I hope you are having a better mood. I am feeling better. I took sudafed for a week and I think it made me feel hollow. I did not feel good last week, but it seems the time I started feeling better, you started feeling poorly. I am glad you did not erase your words. I am glad you sent them. I am glad you feel the liberty to speak freely. I am, your Friend in Liberty, bear. And I missed hearing from you today.
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Speaking about Equitable Commerce. I had the ocassion to visit with the Amish today and two men were trying to fix a plastic sprinkler from "Do It Best" Hardware. They asked me if I knew anything about it. I said, no, but my husband can fix anything...anyways we got to talking about our disposable economy. I asked him if he bought it last spring. He said yes. I told him that they were planning for him to buy a new one this spring. This evening I got to thinking about that...it is almost like we are renting. We never really own any of this stuff from China because it breaks on schedule...

The Amish man said something about "keeping the ball rolling" having to do with the cheap merchandise. He also said something about the coming depression will be worse than the one in the 30's. I didn't mean to end on a negative note, just an interesting exchange I had today with some simple people who would like their stuff to last more that 6 months. I agree.

I think I remember hearing Chalmers Johnson say something about us not even being able to make our own clothing here anymore...or maybe that was someone else...I don't know...I am like that fish...trying to keep up with Joe and not being able to remember anything.

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Once you see it.

"Is the word “too” meaning to include me?"

Once you see it, and you do see it now, the unmistakable fact of it is worthy of note. That is a huge part of what is being called the awakening.

Even the fact that it is being called the awakening is a False Front, or Man of Straw, since the normal human condition is being awake, so the use of the word "awakening" is counterfeit from what would naturally be a more accurate word such as "rescue".

There are so many orders, ordering people to think this, do that, don't think this, and don't do that, whereby those institutionalized orders go against, nullify, weaken, and render powerless the POWER of moral conscience, that a person like you, or me, who still has a working moral conscience orders, with voluntary orders, instead of involuntary orders, thoughts and actions that are meant to rescue people from the involuntary, immoral, institutionalized, counterfeit orders which constitute Legal Crime.

Like saying, hey, look, I have been on the path you are on, and it is a path of ruin, everything is ruined, so you may want to look for a competitive path that goes the other way.

If that is my message and someone else says, in response, hey, your message is a misdirection, and following it is wrong, then, what happens?

If it happens to you, you can see it clearly, no question about it, it is a Man of Straw. The person you are cluing in, the person you are telling the story to, the person who is following false paths, is a person who does not listen when you tell them that they can choose their own path instead, when they tell you that you told them to choose a false path, they confess their falsehoods, since you do the opposite of what they then say you did, in their mind. You can say, in response, no, I said no such thing, I said that you can choose your own path, whatever that may be, and that is what I said, here in black letters on white background, so where, in fact, does the message come from, where you hear someone tell you to follow a false path?

Why blame me?

My message is this:

Voluntary associations are associations made up of nothing but volunteers, which means, by definition, that there are no criminals volunteering to make false volunteers out of their victims.

If someone, anyone, reads my message and returns to me with an accusation of any kind, whereby I am the one who is duped, I am the one suggesting a false path, then the actual source of the false message is accurately traceable to be external to me, who does that leave?

Mike apologized on my forum, and he is back on track, and I can't expect that he will never make the same mistake again, everyone makes this mistake, I do, you do, everyone does, and it takes care, we have to all volunteer to care enough to know better, so it takes care to stop making each other out to be things that we are not, these Men of Straw.

Women of Straw.

My brother Jack is doing the same thing right now, in another form, my brother Jack is shooting the messenger Catherine Fitts, and he may be totally unaware of how destructive that can be if he allows himself to be led down that path.

So far.

How deep does the falsehood go, and it is not an awakening from it that has to be done, it is a rescue of our souls, our moral conscience, which is occurring in a measurable way, this so called awakening.

That is my viewpoint, voluntarily offered to anyone who cares to listen.

Who cares to listen?

If it is a true viewpoint, then you can see it, yes or no?

How about maybe?

"I am just expressing my opinions, trying to learn and understand your point of view and reaping the benefits of this mutual voluntary exchange in which costs are involved as well, and wondering if you are still talking to me after me sending you that cartoon?"

Ellen DeGeneres is the voice of the character with a bad memory.

Ellen is a homosexual of extreme power in Monopoly Mass Media capacity. She has, like Oprah, Dr. Phil, and now Alex Jones, a capacity to reach many people all at once, to send messages to all those people all at once.

What does degenerate mean?

That is what I was thinking when you sent me that link to that cartoon.

I sent you a Mr. Wizard link, and you send me a link about a forgetful fish and a fish that lost his son.

You sent me on a long thought process having to do with the concept of a "theme".

Do you remember in HIGH school, you know, the place you go to get HIGH, where the teachers were asking what the students thought about the book, if the students "got it"?

Did you get the "theme" of the book, student?

Jack, my brother, goes on a tirade about Catherine Fitts, having to do with her association with the Money Changers, a high paid authority, according to Jack, as Fitts is one of them, and therefore, according to Jack, whatever she says is suspect; and probably false, or some such wording, which I don't want to repeat verbatim here.

I think that Jack is jerking his knee, like a good robot, as Jack is getting the theme of the propaganda, the false theme, the Monopoly viewpoint, the immoral reactions to the intended triggers.

We are prodded with punishments, which are crimes in progress, don't do this, look at what happens here, in Waco, or other examples, do not do this, or else, prodded with these types of Cattle Prods, a Federal Income Tax Evader, so watch out, and pay, without question, but that is the stuff on the surface.

What about the stuff that is one layer down from the surface, like the Fraud in progress called Usury, or called The Business Cycle, or called Inflation, or called Quantitative Easing, what about that "Tax"?

What about the concept of blaming things for the actions of people?

What about the concept of misidentifying the source of a lie, and falsely attaching the wrong messenger for the false message that originated from the willful frauds, not from the messenger boy hand delivering the message with a clear warning telling you that the message is false?

I can laugh at a lot of entertaining things invented by Ellen DeGeneres, including the way that cartoon plays out in that scene, it is funny, and I can smile. If I can't smile then life has lost meaning - to me.

Thanks for the help in smiling.

"I am sure there are many more competitive people that can stay on topic and remember the topic and are able to relay the topic."

People who care to discuss things with me are currently numbering few, so few that my schedule remains to be an open one. If a day exists in the future, a big change occurs, where I have less time to reply to your competitive, welcome, viewpoints, on Political Economy, with your Spiritual angles of view, then that will be a change, that is not happening now, yet my cousin and the Russian are both engaging me with their competitive viewpoints, plus my brother, occasionally, and of course my family at home are on rare occasions allowing me to speak about such things; like when John went to Jury Duty, or when my wife has dealing with business associates.

I keep asking my wife to listen to the Catherine Fitts report, especially the parts about dealing with Black Hats or White Hats.

"The liars would probably raise their hands to make the idea of lying sound like a good and positive thing to be had while cannibalizing all that might oppose."

If you can please think that through some more, I think this is a significant discovery in this last exchange between us. The liars hire people to raise their hands, in that case, if I have the concepts understood. Please consider running that scenario through a few more times.

The Scenario is too poll the human species and ask if anyone demands more lies to be told to them, looking to find volunteers who are seeking to become victims to lies.

Take any number of actual people and try it out to see who is raising their hands, and then ask them, and find out the true answer, if it can be found that way.

Do you raise your hand?

Hey, I'm here, right here, please lie to me?

The idea here is to then understand what is going on with these very large sums of Legal Money flowing to fill the demand for very powerful lies.

Which lies are very powerful?

There is this lie going around whereby people who produce Trust, because these people can be counted on for their power to produce more at the end of the day than they started with in the morning, and these people can be counted on for good faith, and good credit, and these people LOAN money to this other group of very high paid liars, and then the liars say that the Productive Group owes National Debt, with National Interest, to the high paid liars, and it is an account that is denominated in Federal Reserve Notes, where those papers are inculpatory evidence of the crime of fraud in progress since at least 1913.

Note: the words inculpatory and ectropy are words that are not recognized by this spell checker.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/inculpatory

"establishing guilt, implicating"

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/entropy

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ectropy

ectropy
- no dictionary results

Why?

The Russian is now starting to put together a very short Russian history for me. He already confirms the concept of censorship of powers that unite moral people, counterfeiting those powerful messages, and falsifying the genuine human thoughts and actions.

You know how this works, intimately, as false Christianity has been invented by, employed by, and maintained by many very evil people at the top of those institutionalized organized crime cabals, such as those events that became known as The Crusades, and The Inquisition, to name 2.

2 out of how many examples of good things being used to hide evil done by individual people?

"I wonder if her talk could be shown to groups of people and if people could start working together to decentralize power back to their own locations?"

The same report by the same person includes an example of Counterfeit Christians who dare not work toward reducing the practice of "The Government laundering money" used in the LEGAL drug trade.

The LEGAL drug trade where "the government" uses the tax payers to finance their wars for their profit by targeting children for the children's capacity to become dependent upon LEGAL drugs such as Crack Cocaine, and Heroin, which is LEGAL for "The Government" to do, to PUSH those Drugs, create those Drug Addicts, and make millions, even billions of dollars off of those Addicts, as those Addicts then get their money in ways that are not Christian ways, so as to then pay, the Addicts pay, "The Government", and then "The Government launders the drug money" and those "Christians" won't stop it, even if they had a button to press to stop it, because they, those "Christians" depend upon "The Government" for their retirement savings, and of course, but not stated by Catherine Fitts, they get their "Federal" Income Tax Breaks too.

Got that, do you have all that?

Opium from Afghanistan, since the Vietnam source was burned up with Agent Orange, so Opium from Afghanistan, flows into America, to High Schools, Colleges, inner cities, everywhere, traded for Federal Reserve Notes, and the money is laundered through Federal Banks, and the money is then traded for Guns, and for Diplomas from The School of the Americas, so as to then hire mercenaries to go into countries where Terrorists are paid to Terrorize, to threaten "our way of life" here in America, so as to then create the demand for High Paid Liars to Lie about a need for a False War on Terror.

You, if you have the button, can turn that off, to stop that part of The Business Cycle, and if you are in that group, the group told to you by Catherine Fitts, you say no, no I won't turn off that part of The Business Cycle, because my retirement account may not pay so well.

Christianity in action?

Did you not see that part?

Now I am inspired, this morning, to find where that is in the report.

20:00 Spiritual Frontiers Foundation International.

Narco Dollars for Dummies, Financial Fraud, etc.

http://www.spiritual-frontiers.com/

"While we are an all volunteer, not-for-profit organization, we are not a church."

OK, my mistake, my false connecting of a dot between Catherine Fitts and a "Christian" group.

I think the association is still potentially valid, if any individual is asked the same question concerning the button that stops the Legal Crimes in progress, and the individual may be a member of a "Christian" (false version or counterfeit version) and the individual says no, in an individual manner, or in an official manner, they say no, no, no, we need that to continue for this reason, and for that reason.

Example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lLh7aVEh2o

Jim and Tammy Baker. This is way out of my field of study, so I am bound to make huge mistakes in false connections. The message here, again, is to avoid making these false connections, not to add to them, so help is needed in realizing which people are actively, willfully, deceptive, which ones are making errors, and which ones are capable of transferring accurate information, or productive information, whereby the the goal isn't to pass on costs.

The point includes the concept of realizing that the liars steal the credit from genuine sources of credit, because lies must be effective, lies are fit for the targets of the lies; a wolf wears a sheep costume when targeting the sheep. A sheep uses a wolf costume when targeting the fellow sheep too, and then the sheep with the wolf costume wears a sheep costume over the wolf costume. If the sheep are the source of wealth, because they are trusting souls, the point is to point out the source of POWER.

Liars, in a criminal sense, are not targeting powerless targets, they are targeting their targets because the targets have something worth stealing, and they use counterfeits, false fronts, to hide, and perpetuate, their crimes in progress.

"I wonder if chamber of commerce groups would listen to the talk and take action…like loaning each other money instead of getting their money from New York. Investing privately and locally instead of on the open stock exchange. Quit sending power somewhere else. I am not sure if she covered developing a currency, but that could be added so that FRN are not due."

Who is listening? "They" don't listen. Who is listening? "They" don't listen. Who is listening?

Do that for 20 years, and then you can get a sense of accurate measure on who is listening and how they are not listening now compared to 20 years ago.

Remember Ross Perot, and the giant sucking sound? Catherine Fitts says that too, if I remember right, but I'm not going to check again.

When it is time for people to listen, more, and more, and more, will you still be aiding and abetting, lending moral, and material support, to the worst human beings among us?

I think that is the point.

Know better.

You still do your Federal Income Taxes.

Look at that sentence.

You still do your Federal Income Taxes.

Are you finding your conscience gaining power over your Absolute Abject Belief in Falsehood Without Question?

You still do your Federal Income Taxes with Federal Reserve Notes.

That sentence constitutes more lies. That sentence, written in that authoritative way, despite the fact that it is a message filled with falsehood, authoritative in a false way, that sentence constitutes aid to the Legal Criminals, and that sentence constitutes abetting the Legal Criminals, that sentence CREDITS the Legal Criminals for being such good liars, thieves, and evil people having either no moral conscience, or one that has been rendered powerless.

"she just keeps switching from one topic to the next without supporting documentation."

My wife used to ask me "how do you know" that the information isn't lies? I can then explain, but it takes more words, and the same question applies to all words, so it takes time, a seed is planted, and the seed is the seed of moral conscience aimed at the internal Abject Belief in Falsehood Without Question, which is a power that can be measured in Federal Reserve Notes as those inculpatory pieces of paper, and digits on hard drives, travel, and record the crimes in progress. If you use them, you are either victim to them, or you use them to create victims yourself, with them. If you excuse your use of them, those inculpatory pieces of evidence proving exactly how much that you are aiding and abetting, lending moral and material support to, the worst human evil ever to discredit the human species, then that proves the point right there, as to "how do you know" in any case.

I know, it is right there in black and white, and it has nothing to do with me, it has everything to do with anyone connected to those criminals in any way, those criminals connect to their victims with the Legal Money Monopoly POWER, and that power is, in English, Abject Belief in Falsehood Without Question TO THE VICTIMS.

The criminals know exactly what they are doing with their Systematic Institutionalized Crimes made Legal, with that Power over Legal Monopoly Money.

"Actually speaking from a Biblical point of view. A non-believer is singular. Just the old man. A Believer has both the old man and the new man residing within."

I put that on my forum for some reason.

"We never really own any of this stuff from China because it breaks on schedule..."

Surplus Wealth or POWER comes in many forms, what is the Total?

That is another very big thing about Catherine Fitts, she understands the Total Sum significance.

The depression need not be one at all, and again that is well explained by Catherine Fitts, and well explained by the guy that made Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports infamous: Walter Burien.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIt_vurpHbQ

"Same Theme"

I just found that today. The first BOMB he dropped was called The Biggest Game in Town here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkwjtbTjTsE

A.
Crime made Legal Perpetually = Surplus Wealth Total is kept low and the scarce power is commanded by a few Legal Criminals

B.
Not A = Surplus Wealth Total is 6 times larger according to a study ordered by Catherine Fitts, for one educated estimate of what happens when the Legal Criminals are no longer paid so well for fraud, extortion, rape of children, torture, mass murder, and threatening all life on Earth with extinction.

"I think I remember hearing Chalmers Johnson say something about us not even being able to make our own clothing here anymore...or maybe that was someone else...I don't know...I am like that fish...trying to keep up with Joe and not being able to remember anything."

You are, and that is a fact, you are, as to what else you are, besides being you, I'm not going to comment further, when you ask me what I think you are, then you may listen.

Joe

Short note

I am exhausted today and I think fighting some sickness. I did not know the origin of the fish's voice. That pretty much wipes the smile off of my face. My boys had borrowed the video from a Sunday School teacher. Just like the Fitt's "spiritual" audience...we will excuse quite a bit and line people's pockets in the name of entertainment. We are too stupid.

We speak of cannibalism pointed out in Warren's work. There are many kinds. The Holodomor was canniblism, not just by capitalism and subsidies by by confiscation and shipping that very grain the starving people needed to the West. It made me wonder, did they need the money? Were they buying the secrets we were selling? Why do such a thing. The documentary said it was to put on an appearance that there was plenty of grain ti the audience in the West. It is hard for me to understand how people could let themselves be put in such a situation. Did they send all their power to people until they were powerless, or was their power stolen all at once. So many things to know and understand.

I know when your schedule is not open there will be a necessary change, and for whatever change is beneficial to you, I will be happy for you and yours. I am not going to write anymore now because I have to quit resting in 30 minutes and then I will be on the go till after 8 and I don't know if I will write again til tomorrow. I am too tired. Chalmers Johnson also talked about the School of Americas. Just like Fitts, so many things rang true from my JTK Education. As you bring up the information on Fitts my memory kicks back in. It is like my mind is a pit and things get lost in it. Wishing you a good day, bear.

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You're in this cartoon too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tESffhWs8l0

It has been a long day and I am having to hold my nose and cover mouth to keep from bursting out laughing and disturbing the rest of the house!

Yup, I just watched again, same effect. Let me know how it works for you :)

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Christ is risen, bear!

Long time, no see! I hope you had a happy and blessed Easter. I have posted a Letter to Christ in the old "religion" forum that, hopefully, you will consider worthwhile reading. As always, I look forward to your feedback. God bless, chosen lady!

A Constitutional, Christian conservative who voted for Ron and stands with Rand

Quickly Read

My mom and pop are on their way for lunch and to spend the day. I will respond as soon as I am able. Your present mood is noted. I am glad you did not erase your words. I want to cheer you, but I don't know how. Just know, I appreciate your voluntary time and the opportunity to learn from you.

This is what I can't understand

if the criminals in the government confiscated the gold in the 30's then why will it be safe this time around if the system fails? Can't they just take it away...again?

Also what I don't understand is Celente talks about the value of specie, and you don't put that much weight in specie. Am I misunderstanding something? Or should I be thinking in terms of collapse that specie will be necessary for trading, but in a long-term situation money does not have to be specie based.

Did you hear Celente talk about the lefties and gun confiscation? Does it make you mad when he says lefty? When I said left-leaning I think you didn't like it. The only reason I said that about Chalmers Johnson is because in the talk I listened to he said Senator Byrd was a great statesman so I looked him up to see if I had missed a great statesman and found that he was the deciding vote in Obamacare and when he cast his deciding vote he did it in memory of Ted Kennedy. So that is why I said I thought he was left-leaning. Josf, I am past seeing red. Please don't put that on me. I was just trying to say where I thought he was coming from politically. The man also did not point out the money monopoly if I remember and understood correctly. But I did find his take on 9/11 interesting and if I was as smart as you are I could tell you his angle. I will try to explain, and he used a historic point to give the example and I can't remember that, but it was more like the people that flew into the towers were actually people that “we” had been training but who took revenge on “us” out of desperation. I am not saying it exactly right though. There is something else that he said that I remembered today, but cannot remember it now.

The thing that Believers celebrate on Easter Sunday (which is a pagan holiday anyways) is not the crucifixion of Christ, but rather the resurrection of Christ. If Christ had only died we would be without hope. But in his resurrection is victory over sin and death.

Ephesians 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come...

The other thing that I got from Celente is a new take on moral decay which I may be trying your patience with, but I think he indicated that Gay Marriage and Gun Confiscation were “distractions.” I suppose that can also be said about some of the stuff on TV…it is a distraction from the dire danger we are in. It seems like TV entertainment could the Pied Piper playing while Rome is burning and everyone is so busy being distracted they don’t know the canary in Greece is dead. And besides if people’s lives are turned upside down with absorbing costs passed on to them by others around them, they don’t have time to notice the Canary is dying. So I suppose moral decay could have that impact too. I think cancer has that effect too. If families are busy seeking treatment or mourning losses they cannot worry too much about test canaries either.

Just some thoughts. Yes, Jesus cleared the temple and he will do it again. But this time it will be world-wide:

Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

I still owe you a reply from earlier, but I thought this one would be a faster one and it has been a long day.

Thank you Joe.

Please excuse the word Compound

It seems my language is tainted. May I please exchange that word "compound" for "home."

Immobilization Device

"I've told you about a Cell Phone sized gun that records an impending attack where the victim shoots the Cell Phone and records the event, uploaded onto the internet, and the attacker is immobilized for 1 hour."

I have been wanting to ask, and name I am doing it, how do you see that competitive device working in this case: http://www.dailypaul.com/272295/morningland-dairy-raw-milk-c...

When the criminals make their crimes legal and all...

Working on bookwork and fighting a cold.

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What is the cost?

"When the criminals make their crimes legal and all..."

The people being paid trillions of dollars worth of zeros for lying so well are now torturing and mass murdering millions of people with impunity.

What is the cost when all those lies are added up and known to be a sum total of falsehood?

I had a breakthrough this morning concerning the bait and switch of taking out the word Power and in place of that accurate word there is instead a word used to confuse the victims.

Wealth is what - exactly?

If I had a hammer: I'd hammer in the morning.

But if everyone had one of those immobilizing devices, at least as many people as already have Cell Phones, then who would be getting away with the crime of calling criminals with names like Missouri Milk Board?

If it was my milk, the milk I worked to produce, for trade, for earnings, for POWER to purchase, then I'm sure going to put the thief stealing it to sleep for an hour.

When the thief wakes up, I'll have the whole event on Youtube, already, and if the criminals with badges send more criminals my way, then they get put to sleep too.

If the criminals resort to nukes, or bunker buster bombs, or they gen Lon Horiuchi (or someone "better") to snipe me, or my wife, or our kids, then that happens that way, at least I'm armed with a peaceful, harmless, defensive weapon, instead of being duped and stupefied into abject belief in falsehood without question.

Joe

Paying Forward

“What is the cost when all those lies are added up and known to be a sum total of falsehood?”

I think the cost may be insurmountable. The cost of the lies is reciprocal to the cost of the loss experienced by the victims. I spoke with Mark Twain earlier last week and arrived at another answer. Actually he gave the answer that made me think of your question. Here is the quote:

“That thinker, Josf, asked me one day to consider the consequences of all the lies…each and every lie stacked one upon one another. I think I have the answer now: “A century of lies, leads to another.”—Mark Twain, The Daily Paul, 2013.” http://www.dailypaul.com/271442/big-lie#comment-2933129

That discussion with Mark Twain helped me to see that not only is there a past cost of all the lies, but that those lies also pay themselves forward in preparation of another batch of lies. So perhaps the cost of all the lies is truly insurmountable.
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“I had a breakthrough this morning concerning the bait and switch of taking out the word Power and in place of that accurate word there is instead a word used to confuse the victims.
Wealth is what - exactly?”

Are you saying that the word Power can replace the word wealth?

Wealth -= Power

Wealth = Might makes Right

The word “can” should be inserted. Because wealth or power can be used beneficially or equitably.

Thinking of Rothbard is it? Wealth must be scarce in order for wealth to be ascertained. The opposite of Joe’s law.

What was the breakthru?
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“If I had a hammer: I'd hammer in the morning.”

I do not understand what those words are to mean. In the morning someone has more strength? They are fresh and ready for work?
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“But if everyone had one of those immobilizing devices, at least as many people as already have Cell Phones, then who would be getting away with the crime of calling criminals with names like Missouri Milk Board?”

The cost of the lies paid forward is that there is a Missouri Milk Board and I assume that the Legal Criminals would also have an immobilizing device. I imagine if they did, they would have used it so as to not be accosted by those that are standing their ground calling crime exactly what crime is. But then, the milk farmer could have been ready to immobilize the criminals first. Perhaps there would be an immobilizing war of sorts. Perhaps that would put the criminals in their place…maybe they would quit trying. I thought of that because you gave me Lon Horiuchi’s name. I think one time you told me to look it up when I was trying to figure out who the criminals were. But I didn’t because I decided it would not be good to know the evil, since I was already having a hard time with what was done to Gaddafi. Well I looked it up this time…Ruby Ridge sniper. Then I started playing the immobilizing war in my head. The family on Ruby Ridge could have used something like that. Hmm, it looks like Lon had something to do with Waco too. I guess it would have been nice if the Davidians had an immobilization device too.

“When the thief wakes up, I'll have the whole event on Youtube, already, and if the criminals with badges send more criminals my way, then they get put to sleep too.”

It is on YouTube now. I wonder what can be done? I saw a comment by Paul_S. on that Milk thread: http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2931964 . & http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2931581 . He spoke of Common Law.

Since you have been studying Common Law, do you see it as something that could help that Milk farmer?

“If the criminals resort to nukes, or bunker buster bombs, or they gen Lon Horiuchi (or someone "better") to snipe me, or my wife, or our kids, then that happens that way, at least I'm armed with a peaceful, harmless, defensive weapon, instead of being duped and stupefied into abject belief in falsehood without question.”

I wonder if the threat of violent force would cause people not to use their immobilization devices?

I’m on page 122 out of 185 in bookwork. I am hoping to finish this week…actually hoping to finish before February. I would feel good about it if I make that goal. I shall not call it a deadline.

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False Fronts

"What was the breakthru?"

You see the answer, as far as I can tell. The concept of power includes the power of knowledge. The concept of wealth is much less powerful.

"I do not understand what those words are to mean. In the morning someone has more strength? They are fresh and ready for work?"

I was not choosing my words well. The phrase about the hammer is part of a song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaWl2lA7968

I think there is another song that comes to my mind on this subject of tools. Any weapon is a tool that can be used for defense against someone using tools to perpetrate crimes.

The breakthrough has to do with the tool of lies compared to the tool of factual, accurate, perception.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ80DpwZ7k8

"And if I ever lose my hands, lose my plough, lose my land,
Oh if I ever lose my hands, Oh if.... I won't have to work no more."

"The cost of the lies paid forward is that there is a Missouri Milk Board and I assume that the Legal Criminals would also have an immobilizing device."

What are lies?

"But then, the milk farmer could have been ready to immobilize the criminals first."

Those who think that the authorities are in any way authorities (at the federal level) are defenseless?

"I guess it would have been nice if the Davidians had an immobilization device too."

I figured something out a long time ago, and it is one of the steps that help me understand the current breakthrough with wealth and power. The Libertarians spoke of the wrong of the use of offensive force. I took that to be the truth for some time.

Then I figured it out.

That is half true. The power of violence is powerless without the power of falsehood. I had that figured out already: I mean already as in before I read Alexander I. Solzhenitsyn.

This:

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/literature/laureates/...

"We shall be told: what can literature possibly do against the ruthless onslaught of open violence? But let us not forget that violence does not live alone and is not capable of living alone: it is necessarily interwoven with falsehood. Between them lies the most intimate, the deepest of natural bonds. Violence finds its only refuge in falsehood, falsehood its only support in violence. Any man who has once acclaimed violence as his METHOD must inexorably choose falsehood as his PRINCIPLE. At its birth violence acts openly and even with pride. But no sooner does it become strong, firmly established, than it senses the rarefaction of the air around it and it cannot continue to exist without descending into a fog of lies, clothing them in sweet talk. It does not always, not necessarily, openly throttle the throat, more often it demands from its subjects only an oath of allegiance to falsehood, only complicity in falsehood."

So, in context, I think your video of what is happening at the milk farm that was being destroyed by lies despite the defensive efforts of the milk farmers is a case of the milk farmers giving credit to the concept of a Federal Government and The Constitution.

Do you see?

Do you see from my viewpoint?

Do you see how effective the lie is, in fact?

The lie is The Constitution. The False Fronts are The Declaration of Independence and The Bill of Rights.

The accurate understandings of facts, in regard to duties of free people, in both The Declaration of Independence and The Bill of Rights are words, written on papers, and words, in people's minds, that ring true, are true, but they cover, like a Despotism Sandwich, The Constitution, which is a lie.

The lie is now 2 centuries old, so Mark Twain's words can be taken literally.

“A century of lies, leads to another.”—Mark Twain, The Daily Paul, 2013.

1788 to 1888

1888 to 1988

How about 3?

A century of lies leads to another century of lies and then another and then another?

"Since you have been studying Common Law, do you see it as something that could help that Milk farmer?"

That is the point. See how the Common Law people accurately discriminate the difference between Admiralty Law and Common Law? I have not studied this as much as I can, and I'm not sure why, but my interest in it is waning.

Common Law predates any Constitution, and it includes Trial by Jury.

As far as I know any 100 people can get together and arrest any presumed to be innocent person, such as those "government" criminals who were "only following orders", and they could hold a Common Law Trial by Jury to try those usurpers on the spot.

Whenever the Legal Criminals become aware of any group of any number gaining the power of knowledge they know that they have to do something before that number reaches a point at which the truth will reach critical mass.

How many people were in Waco?

What, exactly, was going on in Waco?

Do you have any first hand knowledge?

Who is afraid of The Angry Mob?

Show me an example of The Angry Mob?

The KKK?

That is called organized crime, if English means anything.

Show me an example of The Angry Mob.

How about this:

http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/bsbhm2.html

Is that an example of The Angry Mob that We The People are afraid of when we are told to be afraid of "democracy"?

How many people that you know personally are afraid of democracy and the angry mob, and if you ask them to show them any example of any angry mob then please return back to me with those answers.

"I wonder if the threat of violent force would cause people not to use their immobilization devices?"

The Routine can be broken down into 3 things as such:

1.
Falsehood
2.
Threat of Violence
3.
Violence

When human beings use those three things to injure targeted innocent people then those willful actions can be called, in English, CRIME.

If English can convey accurate meaning, then one person, theoretically, could share knowledge.

If not, then not.

"I’m on page 122 out of 185 in bookwork. I am hoping to finish this week…actually hoping to finish before February. I would feel good about it if I make that goal. I shall not call it a deadline."

If you do not make the best of what you are given, then who is held to account for that failure, and what power holds you to that account?

Not me.

Joe

Editing False Fronts

I went to sleep and woke up thinking about my above answer and the questions that inspired those perspectives offered.

It makes sense to add a few words as to a point of view being what it is and not being mine. I made the mistake of saying "your video" in a sentence as follows:

"So, in context, I think your video of what is happening at the milk farm that was being destroyed by lies despite the defensive efforts of the milk farmers is a case of the milk farmers giving credit to the concept of a Federal Government and The Constitution."

I don't mean that the video is "yours" in any way, so that is very wrong on my part to choose that word. I meant to identify the message that the video you linked as your action linked me to that very valuable video of a message worth knowing.

The faith in God is the powerful thinking that helps these people deal with evil. I see that message, but I also see the message that these victims are victims of the lie perpetrated in Philadelphia too.

1. Faith in God
2. Belief in The Constitution usurpation as if it were a good thing.

One perspective shared by the people in that video message is a very powerful tool that helps those people defend their power to know, to understand, to live in peace, and if I am right then that viewpoint also helps those people fear God (hate evil).

How about this angle:

The fear of God (to hate evil) is an ability to recognize the total cost of all the lies that work to move those "government" employees who are "following orders" that end up destroying so much power (cheese, food, a useful, productive, honest, business run by God fearing people, and benefiting so many needy people) and that same faith keeps those same people from hating the "government" employees.

Why does that same faith fail to uncover the lies of 1787 that brought into force the authorization of evil in 1788?

1. Faith in God
2. Belief in The Constitution usurpation as if it were a good thing.

One works in specific ways to help people realize specific truths, or as I like to say: accurate perceptions, and the other works to make victims of everyone who believes in specific lies.

What makes a lie so powerful?

What makes an accurate perception so powerful?

Who is asking?

What is the goal of the person doing the asking?

The video is exactly what I meant by the immobilizing weapon, which is the truth, and that is happening right now. The factual recording of events that can then be reviewed by other people, spreading the word, is the immobilizing weapon even if the immobilizing weapon does not have a capacity to put someone to sleep for an hour.

How long have the American people been asleep?

Going on 3 Centuries and counting.

No, someone may say, Joe, you are a nutcase.

Here is the official score:

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

How many people are immobilized into a belief in the good of The Constitution as, supposedly, The Law of The Land?

The truth is an immobilizing weapon that shines the light of accurate accountability upon those who would otherwise profit by crime.

Lies are an immobilizing weapon that darkens the viewpoints of the victims and rendering the victims powerless to defend themselves.

If, for example, those dairy farmers had access to a Non-Union Common Law Non-Lawyer, someone versed in Common Law, then would it be possible for that unlicensed, unauthorized, unanointed Non-Union Non-Lawyer to take the case all the way to the Supreme Court and save the dairy farmers from the evil destruction of so much productive power that is stored in the form of cheese?

I don't know. I think the answer is yes. I think that the Law of the Land is the good of the people who live here, and if We The People are still able to produce productive power such a cheese, then we can produce the ways in which we can keep the criminals from making crime pay so well.

What went wrong in the case of the great cheese crime of 2013 in Missouri?

Failure to know how to use the weapon of choice invented by the Legal Criminals against them, a failure to know how to use that usurpation (The Constitution) in defense of usurpers?

I think the answer is yes, that is the failure here, whereby the victims of Legal Crime failed to know enough about Legal Crime to then have the POWER (of knowledge) required to use that same power in defense of Liberty.

More to the point:

The Constitution was a usurpation, but it was not ratified without The Bill of Rights.

The Constitution, therefore, does limit the power of the usurpers, the tyrants, if the targeted victims know how to use that system in defense of Liberty.

If not, then not.

If the case in question, this case of so much wanton destruction of very powerful economic power, this cheese tonnage, this competition in Raw Dairy Products, this higher quality, and lower cost competitor to the Monopoly Counterfeit "Corporate" Dairy "Farmers" Subsidy Union Crime in Progress, if, if, if, if only they had a good Non-Lawyer to help them, then they could save the cheese, save their competitive way of life producing competitive Dairy Products, and force the competition to produce higher quality and lower cost Dairy Products, instead of having the Monopoly Legal Criminals crush all competition everywhere, including the crushing of a viable competitor on a farm in Missouri.

The Non-Union Non-Lawyer, or helpful representative of free people, in a court in this land, could, it seems to me, avoid dictates handed down by dictators from Admiralty Law, and force those dictators to abide by their own set of rules instead, including the set of rules that the dictators, the tyrants, the would be Legal Criminals, had to have attached to their rule book (The Constitution) in order for their usurpation to gain currency (be ratified) and that attachment of true, accurate, defense of Liberty stuff, is called The Bill of Rights.

So, had a knowledgeable Non-Union Non-Lawyer of the type that are members of this Forum been able to help those farmers in Missouri, they may have, the farmers, at some point after the cheese was stolen and destroyed, been paid (in Federal Reserve Notes) a sum of Legal Purchasing Power, that redeemed their loss of Cheese, or the whole mess could have been prevented before it escalated to the point at which a Local "Police" (Military?) person was on the farm stealing cheese: "just following orders" to steal and destroy cheese so as to Monopolize the "Federal" Dairy "Farmers" (LLC).

Note: If those farmers stayed in business for so long without ever having anyone complain about bad cheese, getting sick, or anything like that, then chances are they could continue, or sell, that operation and it could continue to produce good things for a long time. That is evidence, or proof, or reason to defend those farmers and their power to farm in this land.

I like cheese.

Note: If a case of bad cheese was reported, then those farmers would be able to handle it, without claiming "Limited Liability" against sick people who were made sick from bad cheese, as sick people seek remedy if somehow a person was injured by bad cheese produced by those farmers.

How does "subsidized" (legalized fraud and extortion) "Federal" corporation monopoly POWERS deal with cases of sick people seeking remedy when people are made sick as a direct result of actions perpetrated by people "following orders" at the "Company"?

I can offer first hand information concerning such a case right here in Barstow California.

The Legal Criminals have the capacity to add zeros to their FUND at will, so they can pay off anyone, anytime, at will.

Money is no object.

They never seek an accurate accounting of what actually happens in an official, "public access", formal account. They pay hush money.

They (legal criminals) destroy evidence.

What cheese?

I see no stinking cheese.

Joe

Thank you for the Linda Thompson links

I spent yesterday on them. I have tried to see if she is still around. Yesterday all I found was some lone unanswered post that asked if she was still around and said something about her being an agent provocateur to out the militias.
Anyways, I didn't spend anymore time. But today in some of my lookings for other topics I found this: http://www.apfn.net/Doc-100_bankruptcy28.htm
It is Congressman McFadden talking about the Federal Reserve circa 1930 and documenting in congress their nefarious works.
Did you know they funded Japan's war to against Russian? I think you will find the info interesting unless you already know all about it. I didn't look at the rest of the website and I haven't finished reading the single page that I am on. I may back up Suttons work somewhat as far as I can see so far.

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Thanks

The McFadden story reminds me of the guy who cured a specific type of skin Cancer and was run out of American by the criminals hiding behind the false front known as The American Medical Association.

Skeptics often say that someone, somewhere, would have exposed these lies if the are lies, and then there are actual whistle blowers in government who often turn up dead like, anther one: Sony Bono.

I was wondering about the Wall Street (False Front) connection to Japan: thanks.

Joe

The one video of Alex Jones

The one video of Alex Jones I'm proud of is when he grills Janet Jackboot Reno after the Waco massacre. Shameful day in US history.

Southern Agrarian

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just one?

thats it? just one?

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Well he has other ones, but

Well he has other ones, but that one I'm particularly proud of.

Southern Agrarian