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Colorado Libertarian Self-Sustained Community - Lots $700/DN - Deed In-Hand After No-Interest Payments

The land is already purchased. Spectacular views. River access. Large enough area/population potential to establish our own recognized TOWNSHIP government re-establishing the constitution as the law of the land and common law being the way controversy is decided.

1) Mind your own business.
2) If you can't mind your own business... at least take your neighbor's business to your neighbor first.
3) Handle things with a jury of peers from the community if one and two fail you.

Now these lots are 1/4 acre - $1,400 - 4 lots gets you by basic standards on municipal code for a septic system - after we have established our local governance however municipal codes would not even be able to be presented via deception because the presumption they apply would be rebutted by our government of the people - in law - and filed into that county's records.

Benefits:
1) Virtual elimination of outside interference in community affairs.
2) Aside from your up front acknowledgement of the general guidelines (see sample above 1-2-3) which binds us all together with the community that we will not INVITE outside interference into our affairs - you have complete freedom.
3) Productivity increase up to 900% - imagine what you can do when 90% of your labor energy is not being waysted on bankster banquet tables?

If you would like to be part of a community that seeks to be both self-sustained without having to be "communistic" in nature and are tight on cash... I MAY -> MAY be able to get you in for $700 on a quarter acer with the REMAINDER TO BE PAID INTEREST FREE in 6 months.

So that's it... the price of freedom from a majority of tyranny out there is just $700 up front - while supplies last.

There are roughly a total of 100 lots. Let me know if you are interested in getting more information and I can set up a three way skype call so that you can interview the owner. I may consider a talkshoe however certain sensitive information cannot be released until local governance has been established in law - for obvious reasons.

We're just a group of folks that wish to be left alone. No talk of violence going on here. Peaceful independence comes from being ALLOWED to be self-sufficient by those that would much rather you were dependent on a system they feed off of.

I look forward to hopefully filling up these lots for someone I consider an accomplished patriot who is doing the rights things. When the SHTF - it is your local community that will largely decide whether you live or die. There's just no simpler a way to put it than that IMO.

If you would like to participate in the local governance before physically moving, thereby ensuring you know what rules apply with full and honest disclosure, get with us ASAP and we can get you to work with us right away on making sure your concerns are addressed in YOUR government.

~v

P.S. So we are CLEAR - you could likely have some sort of interum deed to the property until the remainder is paid - at which time 6 months later you will have a warranted deed and full rights, title and interest to the property. Simply put: $700 and hitch up your home and bring it to Colorado and let's get started on our survival plan with respect to what is potentially brewing on the horizon.

This is for brave and free people. If that's you I'm talking to... I would be honored if you would join us.

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It's going well from my POV

Walked into a store yesterday and half the folks were wearing pro-gun shirts and hoodies. Only heard one anti-gun guy so far and he was some scrawny hipster with a Grizzly Adams beard.

Many in my area also know about what Cynthia Chase said. They are not amused.

This family down the road has "RON PAUL END THE FED" painted in huge blue letters on the side of his garage for everyone to see. Saw quite a few RP/GJ signs during the election, more than Obama signs anyway.

Not sure how many free-staters are here unofficially, but there are quite a few in my area. However, lots of hardcore Dems from MA tend to move here and advocate the same garbage that made them want to leave MA in the first place, though. But, that's the only major setback I see (and it's a pretty major one, granted).

EDIT: I didn't move here just because of the FSP however, moved for other reasons. The FSP is more of a side thing for me.

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I'm curious

as to why we don't all take over the current Libertarian party? Why are we... those of us who frequent the Daily Paul for example... why are we not already RUNNING the fledgeling at best... Official Libertarian Party?

Is it because we're just to libertarian to be in a "Libertarian Party?"

It sure seems like we would have overwhelming force of numbers if somehow intellectually that switch was pulled and everyone realized it all at once... Libertarian party is already established and is waiting for some real leadership and support and can be a lot quicker to steer towards the truth.

IMO - If you claim to be a "Tea Party" member and you haven't actually at least explored what it is to be a Libertarian... then you haven't done enough homework on the meaning of the event that you're claiming to be in support of.

I'd imagine the reasons vary greatly

between us all, since we come from different schools of political thought. As for me, honestly I'm not sure how effective it'd be. It's hard enough even getting small-L libertarians to join up, never mind the Republicrats. Although NH does have a lot of Independent voters...

I'm not registered with any party, but I do try and make some local changes, figure that's the best way to go. Be the change you want to see and all that jazz.

Best I can think of is to conduct some sort of poll in my town to really see where people are at when it comes to alternate parties. Hopefully it'll be enough to give me an idea as to what direction to take. Just thinking out loud here.

Thing is, there are so many ways to go about making changes in our own way (corny as it sounds), that sometimes it's a bit overwhelming. I don't want to pick a "wrong" avenue and turn around and think "If only I (X)", you know? Then again, trying and failing is better than idling.

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I like what they are doing.

They are basically infiltrating a democratic tyranny and turning it into a libertarian republic from the inside out.

wow!

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If I understand this correctly....

You are talking about a "community" where everyone minds their own business?

Idealism.

Good luck to you though. I wish everyone the best of luck.

You have the first part down correctly...

if you can't mind your own business... take your neighbor's business to your neighbor first... if that doesn't work out try step 3)

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I am weary

of people living close together and trying to mind their own business. I like step 2 though. I lived in an off the grid commune type situation once and people by nature seem to be unable to mind their own business and not pass judgment.

Those are my observations based on what I have experienced. It sounds like some people here have had much better luck with situations like this.

Keep in mind...

...the more lots you buy, the less "close together" you would be.

Not at a max of

1 acre separation. I think that's the perfect spacing actually and much harder to contain a community of say 100 lots without the national guard basically... lol - and btw... I have no intentions of attracting the national guard. All of our controversies would be handled in the proper venue and at per-scheduled times. Nothing we do would be un-expected or anything to get suspicious or alarmed about. We will spell it out and notice interested officials to see if they have any objections to any of it...

They have a duty... as public servants... to respond... but if the servants begin thinking they are the masters and begin to decide if they "just don't feel like" carrying out the wishes of who is employing them they will quickly start deciding that they are in fact - the master - an unlimitedly funded master - something Hitler probably dreamed about.

No freedom is had by those who do not at least demonstrate that they have the capability and willingness to be able to fight for it. That is the true purpose of the second amendment. I at least have the support of at least 36 sheriffs... quoted anyway... for that particular and foundational requirement of freedom, being capable of defending it.

It's not about what is right anymore in this country. It's about power. It's about having as much power as you can get your hands on. That power requires control over others. It's an epidemic.

Parasitic Personality Disorder - PPD <<< Phrase coined?

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True

I also do not think the idea is dead on arrival or anything, I think it just takes a specific group of people living in these types of communities to make it work, which is apparently why Vince will be doing pre screening.

I could well with a couple of acres between me and my closest neighbors. In my dream world in my head I will one day live someplace where I only have to see people every few weeks or so.

Well that's the whole purpose of this

per-screening process that I am doing. I generally want to make sure people are willing to abide by some base rules of decency and also the ability to say what is on their mind to their neighbor instead of anonymously reporting it to "government."

IMO - That is the most horrifying tyranny we face in society today. The realization that any one of your neighbors can be the agent of the tyrannical revenue agent who is prepared to bust down your door with his SWAT buddies.

Just like in the matrix where Morpheus tells NEO "any one of them is potentially an agent."

Phht. I live in one right now.

Is it perfect? No. But we are wintering over in a little trailer park in a tiny town, and everybody knows everybody's business and everyone lets them be. It is not even "organized" to be that way, it is just how people around here are. It is how MOST people are, if you let them out of the cages called "cities."
"Idealism" is thinking that something has to be perfect in every way to be good enough. Not shooting for your ideals is settling, or selling out.

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...

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Good to hear

I have a hard time believing in "communities" that leave each other alone. I had read some of your comments on this and your situation sounds great. I hope it continues working well for you.

I am idealistic and utopic in my own right. I want to live so far away from other human beings I only have to see them once every few weeks. Probably not the most realistic idea though.

The word "community" scares me, and I have a hard time putting my faith in other people leaving me alone.

The only problem with living out in the middle of nowhere

with no neighbors in site... is that you can be shot like a dog in the middle of the night and nobody would be the wiser until the mailman shows up and notices a week's worth of mail overflowing your mailbox.

Natural law follows that mob's will always rule - unfortunately... the problem is finding the delicate balance between isolation and community. Isolation can be a double-edged sword.

Also consider if nobody is a threat to each other - nobody will care what anyone else's business is anyway even if they do "butt in."

that can happen with neighbors and does all the time actually

I would rather be AWAY from people and IF my security is so terrible that someone can sneak passed the guard llamas and attack alligators then they must be ELITE Special Forces specially trained in 5 levels of krav maga.

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Are you sure that is within your budget?

guard llamas and attack alligators

Just curious... is there a such thing as a "non-attack" alligator? lol

you haven't met alligator fred then

he is GREAT

and plays a mean banjo!

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Vince!

Why would you say such a horrible thing!?!?

Sigh. Your raining on my parade.

Also, if I live where no one else is around for miles and miles... who would shoot me?

Generally I would guess

that whoever would shoot you would be whoever might decide it makes good business sense to have you dead. After all it's all just business right? Nothing is really personal for parasites you're just being harvested like a farm animal. If you're no longer producing and instead are more of a drain on the system (of servitude) then it's basically just mathematics for the people who would really like for you to be disarmed... RIGHT? Not to mention the fact if you are educating others to detach all the ENERGY SUCKING tubes from their appendages...

If you can be quietly taken out and - we're literally talking about people who don't even have a soul left - I shudder to think about what they do but it's a reality we need to face or we can't property address the problem with a workable solution.

"I'd rather have the whole truth, so I can prepare for it."

Ultimately people are going to have to find a way to get along or they will not be able to depend on each other when the time comes whereby that is a necessity.

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Exactly why I wish we all lived in Mayberry and I could be a sheriff.

Well maybe we'll elect you.

Forget land, out West it's first about water.

River access is encouraging. Year round flow? Cleanish water? Sanitation becomes a big issue. Locate the outhouses downstream? Composting toilets? Don't wanna contaminate your river.

Next is the drainage situation. People look at land out here and think it's one thing. Then it rains and it becomes something else. Think in terms of 500 year flood. Time can speed up all the sudden out here.

Next if it's not entirely rocks or vertical, that's a plus. Anything you might irrigate and plant on is getting better. Some areas are good for growing cactus and not much else.

How cold? Deserts don't generate much wood fuel. What we have is sunlight, low humidity and soils that drain well enough to go under ground. Before people freeze to death they can become extraordinarily whiny and cranky.

Getting dialed in on the USGS reports for your target property gets you ahead of the game right where you are now. At your keyboard. Or with your nose in some hand held device, not looking where you are going. But these are desert kinds of questions.

There is nothing strange about having a bar of soap in your right pocket, it's just what's happening.

Year round flow

I would say pretty well cleanish enough to be able to dig a short well a reasonable distance away from the river for filtration puposes. Then you just plan your drainage fields... a somewhat radical idea I've always had for natural self-sustained living would be once you are off all the TOXIC grocery store stuff the human solid waste could be recycled into some sort of composting system and used to fertilize a high productivity garden system.

I have some out of the box ideas I'd like to try. As far as your housing solution I'm guessing you saw "Garbage warriors" on youtube? Yes I think it would be great to build earth-ships out of recycled products. If you are three feet underground it's relatively easy to keep the temp inside at 70 degrees in the winter time... then you just have all windows facing south at the right angle and have them double paned.

Going even further - you could fill between the double panes and add one more pane on the house side - fill with water for a natural hot water heating system as well. Figure out a way to channel that water to underneath the floor for radiant heating then you're really cookin ;-)

Some moisture resistant studs and you can put up walls and everything. A backhoe could do the work of hollowing out a hill in a day's time. Use the extra dirt for wall's windbreaks etc... use the large rocks in constructing a front-side brace to support the windows.

Then you have that entire front entry-way as a greenhouse for food in the winter.

I'd love to have the freedom to try a lot of these new good ideas for total self-sustained living.

couple responses

1. Wells=test drilling and water quality samples.

2. Untreated sewage in the river or water table will contaminate for MILES.

3. 5 feet underground is the thermal break where you are talking.

4. Filling a thermopane with any kind of liquid and the gaskets will leak. They aren't designed to carry that much persistent internal pressure.

5. The one nice thing is low humidity, good drainage out here. Underground habitats in other places are mold and mildew incubators.

There is nothing strange about having a bar of soap in your right pocket, it's just what's happening.

i think it will be the cold,

i think it will be the cold, and lots of water, for us. the west scares me too much.

that's great to hear your analysis on land. I think there are better deals in colorado than the one offered there.

I was looking at a deal, it was funny. you could own a mountain top, at 12,400 feet. of course only a little bit of grass would grow there. it would have been funny to live up there, dynamiting caves, to make your home.

lawrence

I'll bet poppies would grow

I'll bet poppies would grow there just fine.

More precious than silver.

That was how we got such a deal on our land, there was no water. We sold silver to put in a well, and that was not cheap.
But you nailed it - solar, and for us wind. We are in a little draw with "canyon effect" winds that are really reliable. Not enough to be our only source, but plenty to help with our energy needs.
Desert living is not cozy - it is unbridled. Suits me to a T.

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...

desert is the best but there

desert is the best but there needs to be a water table in order to dig a well.

Arizona acreage for $110 down! Wow.

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