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Fake Skeptics & The "Conspiracy Theorist" Slur

From Storm Clouds Gathering. Also posted on the Daily Paul here: Worth A Look - New Video from SCG.

http://youtu.be/0BJA1R8YIHk

"State sponsored history, the version touted in public schools, and preached over the mainstream media is the mythology of the state, and it is as essential to its existence as creation stories are to any religion."

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I agree with the point that

I agree with the point that conspiracy theorist is a typical slur used by people to dismiss ideas they might find too troubling to consider. But there's also the other extreme. Like if you think the name Hurricane Sandy is a hint at a future shooting and your toaster's been watching you... You're not a skeptic, you need to seek professional help.

You don't know my toaster

;)

Just open the box and see

Here's something to mull over.

When Columbine happened I remember watching the news and the reporter said that the kids had journals discussing their plans and stuff. The reported said that their eventual plan was to demand a plane in exchange for some hostages pretending to make a getaway but then fly it into NY. I remember thinking that such a thing could never work......Did their journals really say this or was the MSM trying to advertise that this was a good idea for someone else to try? This isn't the same clip, but it says the same thing. Are their other buildings prepped to fall that didn't make it in the plan?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJtjU_8N6AU

Agreed with author

"conspiracy theories" would properly function as evidence, testimony and forensics within a just trial, however our civil justice system has politically strayed from such a humane dignity.

Otherwise if such was done after 9/11, I also believe that the ensuingly tragic 'wars' could have been avoided

If you call yourself a skeptic...

you'd better be damn skeptical of government pronouncements!

we should all be government skeptics!

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The most interesting part of the video to note......

is there are less sheeple in europe.

Why is that?

It's cause we have the best puppet shows on TV that money could buy $$$

Because: Some animals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-

What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks

I am an American living in Europe

I have spent many years living mostly year-round in two EU countries and have traveled extensively and/or worked in at least a dozen more since 9/11.

I can't remember meeting one European in all of this time who isn't skeptical of the official version of what happened at the WTC, if they have an opinion at all. (Most do.) Many have told me they were skeptical when they saw the first TV news versions that day.

And, yes, most Europeans I know are just as skeptical of the EU elites and their own nation's governments in much the same way we DP'ers are.

I have experienced no versions of "Euro Exceptionalism" to match the dogma that many advocate in the USA. (However, some Brits are rather "snobbish" about the UK.)

No, there are far more

No, there are far more "sheeple" in Europe, that is why they are allowing themselves to be dragged into a technocratic socialist Euro-federalist dictatorship. The prepper/survivalist movement in the EU is minute compared to the size of the movement in the US (indeed, if someone tried to set up a militia in the EU, cops would descend upon them in minutes), and the EU is far closer to civil war than the US is. The European people need to wake up now and take a stand against men like Rompuy, the President of the European Union no one voted for, and his Maoist comrade Jose Barroso.

Please define "allowing themselves"

What are you, your family and friends doing to "disallow" yourselves that the people of Europe could be doing?

What is this based on?

One guy spends five years abroad, and from that, we can conclude that there are less sheeple in Europe? Unfortunately, that is about the same level of rational I see used to support far too many of these conspiracies.

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

How many years, then?

The narrator of the video didn't claim that his opinion was based on a scientifically verified statistical poll.

How many years must a person experience a foreign culture in order to compile an informed opinion?

I wouldn't never....

...take one single person's word for it, then generalize an entire country based off of that one person's experience. In this country, we call that racism. But I guess if we aren't generalizing black people, then it's okay to use that sort of logic?

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

You're playing a race card?

You say "in this country" as if to suggest that I haven't lived in the USA for over five decades. I was a skeptical college student in the mid-west the day MLK was assassinated.

I may nominate you for the poster child for the antagonist of this excellent video... ad hominems, American exceptionalist, etc. Are you from central casting?

sorry,

Let me replace "in this country" with "typically". I didn't mean to insult you, simply to illustrate that generalizing an entire country based off of the comments of one person usually comes off as racism. You probably wouldn't say all Mexicans are lazy just because I told you that I lived there for 5 years and I saw a bunch of lazy Mexicans, would you? So why assume that all the people of Europe are better criticle thinkers than Americans simply because one guy spent 5 years abroad?

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

I am not insulted, just skeptical of your intentions...

Your faulty criticism has morphed from a second-grade tirade (Europe has more sheeple than we do, na-nah-na-nah-NAH) to "I am sorry... (Europeans are not better) "criticle (sic) thinkers than Americans..."

The truth is closer that the people of Europe, America and the rest of the world are in deep trouble. Our destinies are intertwined in this global crisis. The elite will happily abandon us all as collateral damage.

Your childish finger-pointing of who has the most "sheeple" is distracting and will not turn this around.

Hold on...

..I didn't makethe comment that Europeans are better thinkers or have fewer sheeple, that was they narrarator of the video. I was arguing that there was no way for him to realistically make that claim. The "childish finger pointing" wasn't from me. That was the guy in the video who claimed that Europeans were less guillible than us. I was simply saying that one man can't reasonably make that claim. So I'm not sure where you came up with the idea that I was making some sort of second-grade tirade (europe has more sheeple than we do, na-nah-na-nah). I was specifically arguing AGAINST that stance, the stance that the video made, (which was actually that they had FEWER sheeple than us).

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

What does it matter?

Who cares what can not be proven and matters little?

The producer's thesis is that skepticism is a good trait, especially when focused on globally-controlled propaganda.

Such skepticism can unite the people of the world to awaken and rally against tyranny.

Why are you hell-bent on obscuring this message?

eh?

Hell bent on obscuring the message? So if I respond to your points, I'm hell bent? I just thought we were having a debate. And I guess to answer your question, when someone makes claims which "cannot be proven", it weakens their credibility. So when the guy on the video speaks so intelligently for three minutes, then begins to speak in generalization afterwords, it concerns me and I decided to point it out. If you'll see my other posts, that isn't my main point of contention with the building 7 theory, that is just one small point I made. I'm sure I use fallacies as well, though I try not to. However, I'd be perfectly okay if someone pointed it out. That is all I've done here. I'm not hell bent on anything in particular.

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

All of this is "generalizations"

Every YouTube you have watched of Ron Paul's words are a legacy of generalizations.

Generalization is the essence of this forum format. Little that is written or said can be proven. There is such a thing, though, as "rings true". It may be an acquired skill. You may be a young seeker.

"Question everything" is the first half of the riddle. "Discover truth" is the second half.

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State-Sponsored History VS. Actual History

WWI: STATE-SPONSORED: The Germans sunk the Lusitania and the Americans entered the war.
ACTUAL: The Germans had warned the American and British authorities that ships in those waters were "subject to destruction". Churchill and Wilson both KNEW that the Lusitania was on a doomed path...and they allowed it to happen...to bring America into the war.

WWII: STATE-SPONSORED: The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor in a surprise attack, and the Americans entered the war.
ACTUAL: The Roosevelt Administration had plenty of prior intel that the Japanese were on the way (and thus could have prevented the attack)...but allowed it to happen...to bring America into the war.

VIETNAM: STATE-SPONSORED: The North Vietnamese fired upon the US Navy in the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, and the Americans entered the war.
ACTUAL: The Gulf of Tonkin incident...to quote DoD declassified documents "never happened."

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Operation Northwoods

Actual: The Joint Chiefs recommended an American pilotted captured MIG shoot down an american airliner flying the Caribbean in order to instigate war with Cuba.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Banks

love to loan money for war!

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That's great.

What does that have to do with building 7?

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

good for about 3 minues

I like the first three minutes, then this guy just goes off on a bunch of generalizations and starts doing the very thing he said not to do. He starts generalizing entire countries based off of his limited experience. In 5 years, he has somehow become an expert on the psychology of entire other countries? Out of hundreds of millions of citizens in European countries, how many could he really have spoken to in order to claim that most Europeans act a certain way when confronted with the building 7 evidence? Then, he uses news media footage as proof of something? Like what, the conspirators told the news what they were going to do so they knew to report it? Like the news wouldn't have reported on building 7 collapsing after the conspirators blew it up? Why would they leak that info to the media, just so the media could accidentilly report it too early? More likely, just as the woman said, the reports were too sketchy, yet they reported on it anyway. At this point when the report happened, multiple buildings were already down and it was being talked about that building 7 was weak and they may need to demolish it anyhow if it didn't fall on its own. The most rational reasons for the early report are 1. error, they thought it would fall, other buildings had, so they got a "sketchy" report that it had already fallen. 2. the building they circle in the background wasn't the right building. 3. the british news, who aren't experts on the New York skyline, simply didn't know which building they were talking about 4. the bad guys told all the news agencies which buildings they were going to destroy so the news stations would know to cover it, because if they hadn't leaked the info to the media, the media might have forgotten to report on it, because there was plenty of weather to report on that day (sarcasm intended)

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

your conclusions are in error

you sound like a state sponsored troll, snakepit22. Rage on.

Why am I in error?

Is it because I "sound like a troll". I guess that's a logical argument.

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

I wonder if...

you also believe OJ was innocent.

I hear you on the authors sweeping generalizations, but that seems a little point to argue compared to the bulk of the authors argument regarding the events of September 11th. It was my take that he was merely suggesting a possibility as for why the Europeans "HE" talked to were more receptive than Americans... that's simply his speculation. It sounds to me like you are attacking the weakest part of his argument and then using that as a launching pad for attacking the authors message.

As a former "Fake Skeptic", I understand the desire to keep yourself from falling into that cauldron of ridicule known as being a "Conspiracy Theorist". I always saw "Those People" as people with such an open mind, their brains fell out - as Carl Sagan put it... but I am free now and truly understand skepticism. Things like the Gulf of Tonkin or Project Northwoods should really make you think... "Fck, I guess everything is on the table now!... Maybe I should go back and look into every crazy fcking thing I ever dismissed and re-evaluate my positions". It really takes nothing short of relinquishing yourself from Fundamental Assumptions.

I know you loathe the "Conspiratorial Element" here in the DP, but realize that, "typically", people already lump you into that category just for supporting Ron Paul.

Sincerely,
Victor Escobar

Point well taken..

..I hear you on that. The part about the generalizations really has nothing to do with the broader argument. However, in my defense, If you'll see my other posts on this topic, and on Building 7, and all that, I'm not just focussing on the weakest part of the theory, I'm down to debate the whole thing.

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

All power to you man...

I just think that the wealth of Evidence is on the "Conspiratorial" side of the argument. I do however find it Ironic that people resort to the Same ad hominem attacks toward people who haven't come to terms with the 911 cover-up - ( see what I did there :) ) - and call them trolls. It is sad that people so quickly use the label "troll" the same way non-911 "truthers" use "Conspiracy Theorist".

In no way do I deny that there are Trolls among us... people who's goal is to distract and divide, but I think sometimes our passion gets the best of us.

My argument has always been that despite the paucity of "UNDENIABLE" evidence, there exists a litany of firm circumstantial evidence and testimony... enough so that if the crime where any other crime and any defendant had that much circumstantial evidence presented against them, there would be little doubt in the minds of the jury that the alleged person was guilty.

It always seemed to me that it is the non-911 truthers who throw occam's razor out the window trying to deflate the 911 truthers arguments... but maybe that's just my take on it.

I think the biggest hangup that WE have as Americans, is accepting the possibility that our Government could and would do such a thing. It's like we are parents who do not want to come to terms with the likeliness that our Child is an out-of-control Tyrant and capable of Evil.

Personally, I don't think anyone who believes in the 911 cover-up is Ever going to change their mind. In fact, I do not believe I have ever met someone who believed in the 911 cover-up ever say... "ya know... Now that I have thought about it more, maybe our Government didn't conspire to allow 911 to happen". From my experience, it has always been the other way around... I would love for everyone to get on board with the 911 truth, but each person follows their own path.

Good luck in your research.

P.S. There is one troll here though... he goes by the name Liberty_First... My gut is about 89% sure. :)