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Rand Paul Dropped The Ball...

I would expect every one of those other lying rats in congress not to ask the right questions about Libya, but not Rand Paul.

Yesterday, Senator Paul drilled Hillary Clinton about the Benghazi attack. But he blew a great opportunity.

HERE is what Rand should have asked Clinton:

"Madam Secretary, lost in all the hype around the Benghazi attacks are some underlying questions.

First of all, is firing cruise missiles into a country from off its coast an act of war? If not, what is it?

Can you explain to me the unilateral decision by the executive branch to attack Libya with one BILLION dollars worth of U.S. cruise missiles fired from our navy, WITHOUT AS MUCH AS CONSULTING THE CONGRESS?

Do you happen to know how many innocent Libyans died in our attacks? If not, you should, being the Secretary of State.

Did it ever occur to you there might be counter-attacks on Americans by such actions?"
Rand should have gotten to the HEART of the matter, which is that the president (backed by his cabinet) USURPED the authority of congress to declare war AS REQUIRED IN OUR CONSTITUTION - WHICH THEY TOOK AN OATH TO UPHOLD.

But instead, he fell in line with the other Neo-Con republicans who seemed just fine with attacking Libya, but now are screaming bloody murder when there's some "blowback" for our (illegal) actions.


And let's not forget the REAL reason we attacked Libya: Shortly before his overthrow, Quadifi was trying to create a new African currency (backed by GOLD) and he had the blessing of several African nations.

But that might have competed with the U.S. dollar (Federal Reserve) and the Euro which might have cost the central bankers some profits.

So, after supporting Quadifi for decades with billions in foreign aid, suddenly "we" had to remove him before he could establish a new currency.

ALL wars and military actions are funded by the bankers FOR THEIR PROFIT.
We are just the poor fools forced to do their bidding (through taxation, wars, occupations and inflation).

I guess it would be way too much for me to expect Rand to bring THAT up.

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Not with my vote

Good luck with your Neocon rallies. Murderers and immoral bankster-whores should be fun to party with at least.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

There we go

You finally admitted it. Now stop making false statements. If your intention is to state your goals, do so by prefacing it like this: "My goals are"

and I will act respecting MY interests, not everyone else's, or yours

And don't act like you've got carte blanche to say what you want without correction. You have a right to your opinion, but I won't allow you to misguide or lie to people to make your point.

"We"? No.. "There Granger goes", is more like it.

I don't know where you get your idea that you can dictate to me and tell me what to do and say, except apparently you belong to a collective you identify as "we", as in "There we go", but you can not stop me, only make yourself out to be what you are, a collectivist who wants to be a dictator.

I find that it is you who lies and misleads in attempting to appear Libertarian, but your posts reek of Trotskyism. The Ron Paul rEVOLution is not communist, and I'm not seeking your dictate.

Have a good posting day!

You've never heard that phrase?

Let me educate you: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/there_we_go

If I've been lying, I welcome you to call me out on it. Because I know damn well I haven't.

I'm going to use your line of thinking.


Hey Grang! Guess what! Rand is NOT going to be President and never will be. Biden will be our next President. I base these statements on absolutely nothing, but I know them to be true because that's what I believe. And anyone that tries to tell me otherwise is a dictator and controller!


If you say that the sky is purple, I will correct you because it's wrong. There's a large difference between opinion and fact. What you do is package your opinions as facts.

What a lame cover up

If I say the sky is purple, and produce a picture, then I'm sure you would say I tampered with the picture, even if I offer proof http://littleshop.physics.colostate.edu/tenthings/SkyPurple.pdf

I'm sure you hope Biden will be president, but MY OPINION is, it will be Rand, and I'm banking on that.

Biden LOL

You completely sidestepped my point

As you've done in other comments.

I find it ironic that you take my analogies and examples I use to make a point and twist them to make me look bad.

Of course I don't support Biden. I used him for arguments' sake to show you how truly ridiculous your logic is.

I can tell you from

I can tell you from experience...and it's frustrating to say...but all the neocons here are friendlier to Rand than his pa. Infact...some of them downright hate Ron and his supporters...but are favorable to Rand. I don't get it. But I'll take it! We have to some how come to terms with these people and form an alliance. Somehow.

Why do you want us to hitch

Why do you want us to hitch our star to an aging and politically declining group of neocons who singlehandedly brought GOP defeat in the last election? Let's look to the future: e.g. independents, social liberals/fiscal conservatives, anti-war young people, etc. If we ally with the neocons, we only alienate these groups.

Because wether you like it or

Because wether you like it or not...we cannot win without these people. They cannot win without us. The Liberal base is too big. And with Hillary running in 16 we are sure to lose yet again. There is someone who can fill that needed void. He is Ron Paul's son. Not seen as a threat to the old guard like his dad was. And right now, I am seeing this guy taking leadership. He is like a one man wrecking ball! Just knocking them out of the park one by one. He is positioning himself for a tough race. But the Libertarian wing needs to see past all the bs and we ALL need to band together...including the ones we fought against in the 2012 primaries.

We proved our point to them this last election. They cannot win without us. But...we cannot win without them. It's a love hate relationship and we have to all somehow learn to live together in harmony.

Rand has become pretty much a

Rand has become pretty much a Hannity-Beck-Levin conservative on foreign policy.

Man, That Sounds Like A "Three - Headed Hydra"


“I’m for an independent,

“I’m for an independent, strong Israel that is not a dependent state, not a client state.” - That would be a client state of the USA. Beck and Levin are for strong US aid to Israel, Rand is not.

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."

To the extent he has said

To the extent he has said anything it is hedged and qualified.

When push comes to shove, he does nothing:


You are wrong. He said he

You are wrong. He said he wants to end all foreign aid...starting with enemies of America and our allies.

Since when is a country which

Since when is a country which has REPEATEDLY spied on us (google Jonathan Pollard, for example) a friend or ally in any sense? Rand, who learned at the meet of the master, of course knows this to be true. The only difference is that Ron would have never play that cynical game.


Rand has suggested ending aid to Israel's enemies first. And begin to reduce aid to Israel at some future time. And to reduce it slowly. The word "wean" was used. And Bill Kristol and Netanyahu are openly and vocally delighted.

And Rand wants to begin "fiscal reform" by paying interest on the debt owed to the official counterfeiters at the FED. The interest on the fake money used to bailout the banks, buy up fraudulent derivatives, and clean up the mess from mortgage bubble and to pay for the wars.


~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

Well this isn't really about Israel but I agree with you.

Beck and Levin basically believe Israel is the 51st state.

Or even worse - that the U.S. is the 2nd state of Israel.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul