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Rand Paul: An attack on Israel is an attack on the US

Take a look at this video and tell me if you still think that Rand Paul is as much of a true patriot as his Father:

Go view the video here:

http://youtu.be/l0jIQ-YxnkE

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He is doing the dance of the Neoconservative right. He's nothing more than a traitor. You vote for this turkey, you might as well be voting for George W. Bush.



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Would you cut aid to

Would you cut aid to countries that spy on us??? If so, Israel, google Jonathan Pollard, AIPAC Scandal, etc. must be first on your list.

Least we forget the U.S.S. Liberty

Who was spying on Israel?

America, who in the name of foreign aid, tells Israel when and what it can do?

Like Rand, I believe the countries who do not want US occupation should be cut... IF peak oil is true, we have little left to by occupying nations to keep people driving in gas engines.

What aid are we giving to China? Oh we don't need to, we just keep buying their products and making excuses to not produce our own unless it's in a prison industrail complex.

So Sick of all the Rand-Haters on Here

Who is a better defender of liberty in the Senate? Name one. You can't! If you think he's so terrible, then you should run for the US Senate, win, and then show us a better voting record.

Agreed

And please show us someone else in all of congress who has directly challenged Mrs. Clinton.

The trouble with Rand is that

The trouble with Rand is that you can't trust him. He may be great one day but terrible the next. Too feckless.

No. It's just that people are

No. It's just that people are not taking the time to understand what he is saying and doing. He has not lied or flip flopped on a single subject.

Huh? He supported a No Fly

Huh? He supported a No Fly Zone in Libya then opposed it. He was against Iran sanctions then supported them (twice!). Rationalize away.

"The trouble with Rand is that you can't trust him."

You have some kind of blinders over your eyes which make you unable to see the obvious: which is that Rand is a libertarian trying to succeed in politics, where open libertarianism = failure. Your inability to trust Rand is not a fault in Rand it is a fault in you: which is another way of saying your mistrust of Rand is irrational.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

It is not obvious at all.

It is not obvious at all. Rand is consumed with ambition. If your son treated you like Rand treated Ron, e.g buddying up to a man who had recently smeared you as a racist, I think you would be slightly more skeptical of him.

Not good!

Not good!

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He had me liking what he'd said all the way up to

the last part. If we make allegiances to them and have an attitude that "any attack on them is an attack on the US".

That is foreign aide, just another form of it so his speech was contradictory.

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i am keeping an open mind on this

i think bases can be closed one by one in the middle east, and israel will probably be essential for that operation. the stages can be withdrawal of foreign aid one by one-->gradual closing down bases first in europe-->close down bases 1 by 1 in middle east, then wait for the middle east to achieve a new equilibrium without united states presence

it is my guess israel will be essential to streamline that operation. i mean, he does want to withdraw troops from the middle east and cut all foreign aid, but while people are claiming rand paul is throwing total support behind israel, he can't do that without maintaining military bases in the middle east.

so either you believe he's going to withdraw troops from that region or you believe he's going to maintain the same gop foreign policy.. it's an either or situation.. people who believe he's withdrawing troops who also believe he's supporting interventionist foreign policy are just total idiots that shouldn't be doing activism on behalf of this movement in the first place

No, only dumbasses think it's an either or for him

He can be for closing down bases like his dad AND be for sending troops in.. He can have degrees of GOP in him.. He EVEN told you how he thought and you STILL won't listen.

It's contradictory and until people like you, get your heads out of your ass and at least accept it, you're going to get the same bullshit you usually do. If you're okay with Rands policy then you're okay with it, I however like his dads stance, which Rand has up until the last part. Stay out of wars unless YOU are being attacked directly.

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It's been said before

that Rand is "playing ball." But hey, you're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to down-voting you. I'm down-vote number 10, btw.

Lima-1, out.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

EH..... GFY...

Damned Neocon twat....

He's selling us out... Just like the rest.

Agreed. Rand is being smart,

Agreed. Rand is being smart, and has even said that the US should mind it own business and stop dictating how Israel should act. But the Rand haters just want any excuse to whine like little girls.

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Rand has clearly said that he

Rand has clearly said that he won't cut aid to Israel even as "we mind our business." BTW, he DID NOT say that when he met with the Palestinians. He threatened to cut aid to them unless they toed the line. The good doctor would never play that kind of cynical game and double standard. Rand can't be trusted. Those who support him now, have no right to complain when he disappoints them.

Haters?

Tell that the victims of the USS Liberty Massacre.

i think the mindset of some of you israel haters goes something

like this: 911 was done by israel --> it is therefore our enemy --> rand paul wants to take it slow in the middle east and remain allies with israel, meaning he's a traitor

i like how some of you are so illiterate i even have to lay out your logic for you..

please.. last time i checked, even among you hardcore troothers, there's not a conclusion without a debate on the exact culprit, our own government or israel or both, or was it the rothschilds or whatever and i guess rothschilds are israelis now? so just a theory alone is enough to turn a total enemy out of israel. no wonder why some people call you nuts

Wait, you're an Israel hater

Wait, you're an Israel hater because you don't want entangling alliances?

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i said that?

where?

the exact same quote?

you seeing things? paranoia much? go take a pill.

and hey, if you got the literacy levels to compose only one-liners, don't even bother talking. got people starting fruitful discussions, then you got people throwing one-liners, lmao.

Seriously dude, you have no room to talk about

literacy. When someone picks on petty issues it's usually a flaw in THEIR own image.

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My point is that there's

My point is that there's nothing wrong with being against rand here and it doesn't make you an Israel hater. Why did you write this in response to the OP?

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I think that truthers, like

I think that truthers, like Ron does, are idiots but also think that Rand has sold out by refusing to support an end to aid for Israel. If you are going to smear folks who are against aid with Israel with a broad "truther brush," perhaps you need to get your facts right first.

two questions for you

1. when has rand paul say not to cut foreign aid to israel

2. is sell-out a term for people who lack english verbiage? because there's never a uniform platform in the ron paul movement except two positions: anti-interventionism and monetary reform.

what is sell-out? is it you somehow treating yourself to the leader of this movement and all your minions need to swear loyalty of some sort? without even a clear border, even if you feel emotionally violated, you call someone a sell-out

and please don't make statements following an "if", i mean, you use "if" in english for a reason. if you are curious whether i am doing what you think i am doing, Ask.

Rand has made vague

Rand has made vague statements about cutting aid to Israel but only after we cut aid to countries who are "not our friends." Apparently a county which has repeatedly spied on us is a "friend" by his standard. Leaving that aside, it matters to me far more what a politician does than what a politician says and when, given the chance, Rand REFUSED to oppose INCREASED aid to Israel:

www.dailypaul.com/244329/fiscal-conservative-rand-paul-pledg...

A sell out is someone who gives an exclusive to a man who only months before had viciously attacked his dad as a racist. A sell out is someone who gets elected because of Ron Paul donors, and is totally MIA at the crucial state conventions before the national GOP convention when Ron Paul delegates are heroically fighting to make inroads.

jesus christ i'm not wanting to call you dim or anything

but not being vague goes something like this: "i will cut aid between january 14th~21st in year 2014"

1. he's not even president, giving hypothetical is useless and it opens room for people to call him idiot, throwing 'facts' out at him that can't even be verified. you keep words full of wisdom but few. ron paul was never "not vague" in that sense

2. but how the hell has he been vague? he said he would start from cutting off people less friendly to america, but said eventually he will reduce aid to israel as well almost every single time he was asked about it. he even said it at israel's dinner table when he sat down with israelis and was talking to them face to face. some israelis disliked it, but then there's people like you saying he never said that? the hell?

and did you watch the rand paul's interview yesterday with greta susteren? when pressed further, he let out a freudian slip that sounds exactly like ron paul when ron paul would be accused of being anti american: he said weapons we gave to bin laden were used against us, except he prefaced that by saying weapons given to egypt would be used against israel.. same message, different delivery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUAZafu3OXI
if you haven't seen this interview that means you don't even keep a close tab on rand paul. if you don't i'm not sure why the hell you comment

Most of that I agree with and consider when I say things

like I'm going to, I AM not supporting Rand.

"Leaving that aside, it matters to me far more what a politician does than what a politician says and when, given the chance, Rand REFUSED to oppose INCREASED aid to Israel:"

Based on what he said in the first half, it is in sync with what he believes if you think about it. Israel would be the last thing he'd cut. Now if he voted against a bill that would have cut EVERYONE'S aid and yet given Israel the most.. Well that might seem "odd".

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Says the guy

Who has been a member on DP for 10 months.
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How about some Respect

I'm still watching Rand with a lot of scepticism myself, but that is no reason to disrespect this forum or its owner. Liberty and Respect abide in the same realm. You don't fully have one without embracing the other...