Rand is fooling them into accepting him as mainstream. It is what we want!
Submitted by robertwerden on Fri, 01/25/2013 - 12:18in
I really think the majority of you are literally "sexy". We all know Rand Paul is going to fulfill his fathers vision, but you all get so offended when he tells the sheep what they want to hear. Get it through your "sexy" skulls, he is just playing politics. This is the way you win, and he is going to win in 2016.
Rand Paul 2016
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I wonder
How far gone we will have to be to get consensus. The people seem to be waking up some, but many are herded by the news. I am not against your points, I just hope the people act in time.
Agenda 21, PNAC, CODEX ALIMENTARIUS and UN biodiversity study. Help me understand why I shouldn't think there is a big agenda against the wishes of the masses.
Time is of the essence!
Every empire reaches a point where it becomes no longer sustainable, it collapses and breaks up. We're around the corner from that happening.
We're on the Titanic. We've hit the iceberg. And the pols and media are saying that we'll make it to port. But I think we're headed into the icy water if we don't get onto a lifeboat. Secession, the dirty word in American politics, is the legitimate solution to the problem of over-centralized government. Separation from tyrants is the defining part of our political and cultural heritage.
As half of all American marriages end in divorce, you'd expect more Americans to understand this. However awful and painful divorce is on children, it is totally necessary if your spouse is an abusive, megalomaniacal sociopath that asks you to give your freedom up for the sake of your children and to give your children up for the sake of your freedom (war).
If but one state leaves the empire, more are sure to follow.
I hope these guys are the ones to do it -
http://vermontrepublic.org/
I disagree entirely.
Ron Paul tried to "play the game" with liberals and OWS trash types. His extended olive branch did little more than gain their respect (oh and some of them came to his rallies), but, when it came to voting for him? Uh-uh! People know if you're not the real deal or not. Rand Paul will NEVER get the editors of the Neocon newspapers to back him. The sheep READ their niche market sources!!!
The only way to get Rand Paul the Republican nomination is to CHANGE the way Republicans think about foreign policy. As things are shaping up right now, most Republicans will give Rand applause in 2015 Republican debates, but, will vote for Rubio, expecting Rand to be able to woo us into voting for Rubio. You can't trick people into voting for non-interventionism, you have to CONVINCE them to vote for non-interventionism!
the road chosen will determine the destination
if Rand fakes it, if he lies and uses deception there will be no good coming out of it even if he has good intentions for the end.
His father knew that. Truth is holy!
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Ron Paul infiltrated the Republican Party
To be less marginalized. Yes, he is a REAL conservative, but the party isn't.
Agenda 21, PNAC, CODEX ALIMENTARIUS and UN biodiversity study. Help me understand why I shouldn't think there is a big agenda against the wishes of the masses.
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The wheat from the chaff?
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I know you are but what am I?
I agree with this:
"We all know Rand Paul is going to fulfill his fathers vision, but you all get so offended when he tells the sheep what they want to hear. Get it through your thick skulls, he is just playing politics. This is the way you win, and he is going to win in 2016.
Rand Paul 2016"
I disagree that anyone on this website is "stupid". As Forest Gump's mamma says "stupid is as stupid does".
In the 17th Chapter of Luke Jesus answers a Pharisees question of when the kingdom of God would come with this:
"The Kingdom of God does not come with observation; Nor will they say, 'see here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you"
God's spirit is inside us, all of us. Never call anyone stupid(even though I have committed this sin too) because you're also calling a piece of God stupid. I don't think God likes being called stupid.
"Any man worth his salt will stick up for what he believes right, but it takes a slightly better man to acknowledge instantly and without reservation that he is in error." - Andrew Jackson
During the debates
How many of you knew exactly what Ron Paul would say in response to a gotcha question?
And when he answered exactly the way you knew he would and he got booed how did that make you feel?
Did you wish that maybe he phrased his responses a little better so it was more clear and appealed more to the crowd, but still held true to what we loved about him?
Imagine if Ron came to us on a video and said, that he had a new strategy, he was going to tell people exactly what they want to hear so he could get the nomination. But he wanted us all to know he has not changed. Of course if he came out and said that, then that would be suicide to his campaign.
My honest belief is Rand Paul is hoping that those of us who have known him since the 08 election will realize he is doing what his father refused to do, and that thing is to win.
I agree 100%
The anti-Rand stuff here made me realize how much blanket credit I was giving to a bunch of dumbasses. Rand's tactics are as clear as day, and I would bet the farm that this strategy was planned in great detail with the Great Patriot himself.
And personal confirmation from their immediate family members in Tampa this past August solidified what I already knew.
All of you anti-Rand idiots will be voting for him in 2016. Bet.
Get it through YOUR skull
This so called "strategy" is one of the most bogus justifications for bad legislation and rhetoric I've ever heard.
Seriously, I've heard better arguments from the Bush drones.
I'm about to start some Rand supporter memes because they are absolutely, without a doubt, the most dedicated and half-witted idiots I've ever had the pleasure of "debating."
And so it begins: http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/33868718.jpg
The bad legislation was going to happen anyways
Rand only goes along with battles he can't win. Like voting for Iran Sanctions, what could Rand possibly have gained by speaking out against Iran Sanctions? Listen to Sun Tzu, don't fight a battle that you know will do more harm than good. What happened to Justin Amash will happen to Rand if he doesn't make friends with GOP leadership. You can't make it to leadership if you're not friends wit the leaders, plain and simple. That goes for politics, work, and most of the rest of life.
Rand is making a lot of friends in Washington instead of enemies like his father. You need friends to get things done, you need friends to run for and become President. Make the wrong people enemies like Ron and you end up never having a chance to win. Ron Paul has been suppressed by the media for years, but I'm seeing Rand Paul on the 5 o'clock news weekly.
Rand risks his chance at the nomination every time he speaks out against GOP leadership. Why do you think they had to edit his speech at the RNC?
Ron took 30 years to amass 10% of the GOP primary vote, Rand has 3 years and he needs 51% of the primary vote. If you don't like the Republican party, I suggest you join it and try to change it, Ron Paul has certainly changed and influenced the Republican party, YOU CAN TOO!
Your time and brain could be put to much better use slandering Feinstein, Bloomburg, Pelosi, Clinton, Obama, ...etc.
Please quit hating on the Senator with the best liberty record. I challenge you to show me a Senator who votes more Libertarian than Rand Paul.
"Any man worth his salt will stick up for what he believes right, but it takes a slightly better man to acknowledge instantly and without reservation that he is in error." - Andrew Jackson
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Who said he needed to speak out against sanctions? Voting NAY would have been way more than enough.
And like I said in my other post, if Rand has to sacrifice his principles to get elected, he's not the type of president I want.
If you can't understand that, then I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree and leave the conversation here.
So you'll never vote again
Voting Nay might have lost him his committee seats. Voting Nay might have gotten him exiled from the GOP like dad. A 97-1 vote isn't too different than a 98-0 vote. Maybe Rand should have just not showed up, or maybe he gained some trust in GOP leadership by voting yea and not pissing off the boss.
No one can become President without compromising principles. It can't happen, Ron Paul proved that.
You're right, Rand Paul isn't perfect but surely you can understand that Rand and his message are infinitely more Libertarian than any viable 2016 presidential candidate. Rand can win this thing! He needs the support of people like you to make it happen. Would you rather have President Paul or Rubio/Clinton/Biden/Bush/Graham/Santorum/Bachman...etc???? I hope you would vote for Rand in the primary, surely you will.
Name anyone more for Liberty than Rand that has a snowballs chance in hell at becoming President in 2017. Again, name one Senator with a better voting record than Rand from a liberty candidate..... I'm waiting....
"Any man worth his salt will stick up for what he believes right, but it takes a slightly better man to acknowledge instantly and without reservation that he is in error." - Andrew Jackson
For the first half of your comment
Again, I'll say, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
For the second half, I refer you to a previous comment: http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2925983
I'm all for Justin Amash
We'll see if they let him in the debates. I haven't heard much from Justin since Boehner gave him the boot.
You can believe what you want, but I don't think JA or Judge Nap have a chance at winning the nomination but I'd definitely vote for each of them.
If neither Amash or Napalitiano are in the primary, will you vote for Rand Paul? I know you hate some of the things he's doing but you're also ignoring the good things he's doing. He's clearly an ally to the rEVOLution.
"Any man worth his salt will stick up for what he believes right, but it takes a slightly better man to acknowledge instantly and without reservation that he is in error." - Andrew Jackson
Just like Ron, I don't speak in absolutes
Despite what some of the members of the DP would have you believe, I'm not a "Rand hater" - I'm simply skeptical.
I'll keep an open mind - much can change in 3 years. I'm currently undecided, but if I had my choice I'd have Judge Nap.
Maybe I'm a bit more brash in my comments than I should be, but it's hard not to be when I see Ron Paul supporters who don't take issue with comments like the ones Rand made today.
You're right, a lot can change
I just feel a need to try to bash back at people who talk down on Rand here. We shouldn't bash any Libertarians here in my opinion. I know he's not perfect but I think he's following his Dad's advice. I don't think the apple fell far from the tree.
I signed your petition to get Judge Nap to run, thanks for sharing that!
"Any man worth his salt will stick up for what he believes right, but it takes a slightly better man to acknowledge instantly and without reservation that he is in error." - Andrew Jackson
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What is the winning
Strategy?
Agenda 21, PNAC, CODEX ALIMENTARIUS and UN biodiversity study. Help me understand why I shouldn't think there is a big agenda against the wishes of the masses.
Don't compromise and don't pander
Both of which I've seen from Rand.
Yeah I mean
that's how we won in 2012 right?
"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."
LOL, indeed.
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Winning is moot
If in order to do it Rand has to become a neo-con and forsake all his principles.
Are you aware...
...of the distinction between appearance and reality?
I won't accept your premise
The stealth strategy is a load of shit. You can't prove it exists, so your sarcastic questions are some what pointless.
"You can't prove it exists" - LOL
It's as self-evident that Rand is a libertarian pandering to mainstream conservatives as it was that Romney was a corporatist pandering to mainstream conservatives. The proof lies in the basic facts which are there for all to see. I can show them to you, but I cannot make you interpret them correctly.
Right, well if it's self-evident
Then the neo-conservatives he's "fooling" must be super idiots since it's just wide open and they haven't figured it out yet.
The stealth strategy's validity is based strictly on your desire for it to exist. You want it so badly that you're willing trick yourself into the belief of it. And attack anyone who doesn't.
Did they figure out that Romney was a fake conservative?
No. They bought into the image which Romney created for himself, and never became aware that underneath he was the same as Obama.
Likewise, they will buy into the mainstream conservative image which Rand has created for himself, and never become aware of his underlying libertarianism.
This is why I'm talking about the reality/appearance distinction. What matters when discussing how voters will behave is the appearance: the MSM produced appearance. Rand is managing that so that he appears as a mainstream conservative. The masses will not look any deeper. The fact that they habitually don't look deeper than MSM bullcrap is exactly the reason, for example, that RP didn't win. If most voter were better informed we wouldn't need to pander, would we? But they aren't, so we do.