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Rand is fooling them into accepting him as mainstream. It is what we want!

I really think the majority of you are literally "sexy". We all know Rand Paul is going to fulfill his fathers vision, but you all get so offended when he tells the sheep what they want to hear. Get it through your "sexy" skulls, he is just playing politics. This is the way you win, and he is going to win in 2016.

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Uhhh, yes, actually they did

The GOP justification for Romney was he was better than Obama. But they knew Romney wasn't a conservative. Everybody knew. They saw the exact same voting records and interviews we saw. If you listened to O'Reilly or Hannity you'd hear them talk badly about his fiscal policy, proving your point wrong.

Just like GOP ignored the faults of Romney to get someone they thought was better in the White House, as are you ignoring Rand's.

Nope

People voted for Romney because they thought he was better than Obama; ergo they did not know that he was the same as Obama! ; )

But Romney was the same as Obama; ergo, he fooled them.

This is not complicated stuff...nor is it that difficult to fool the oi polloi.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Their support for Romney

Was strictly party-line allegiance. Nothing more, nothing less.

Remember the primary?

Why did Romney win that? What was the basis of his campaign? He ran against Obama in the primaries (this was discussed endlessly by the pundits). He tried to show a contrast between himself and Obama. It worked. People believed not only that he could beat Obama, but that he was different from Obama, better than Obama, more conservative than Obama. But obviously he wasn't. Hence, he fooled them. They bought into the appearance he and his PR team created, largely through well crafted TV soundbites. That's how you win elections. That's what the establishment candidates always do: obviously, they can't come out and give their real agendas. They create a fake reality which they sell to the public. This is politics 101. There's no reason that Rand can't be doing the same thing: the difference being that the real agenda he's trying to hide under PR is libertarian rather than authoritarian.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

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Ron compromised most of his principles

when he rejoined the Republican party. He then used that compromise to build his ideas into the Ron Paul rEVOLution. Compromise can be a good thing.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

By the same token

If you don't win and stick to your principles, what do you have?
Not a damn thing. A dead man with a speech and no gun is worth less than a man with a gun and principle in his mind. Just ask all the people throughout history who have died for their causes. It's not about dying for your cause, it's about making sure the other bastard dies for his.

I could care less if he says one thing and does another. As long as what he DOES is the right thing. If Rand has to lie, cheat, steal, borrow, and beg to advance liberty than I applaud him for doing what he has to do, to win.

I never really cared what Ron said when I found out about him. It's what his record showed, how he voted, how he stuck to the foundation of the Constitution and individual liberty that made me proud to be an American. When I saw someone who put his actions before his words, I felt that pride swell for the first time in my life, I'll never forget that as long as I live.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

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I don't disagree with you, but

I just don't know who this candidate is who can accomplish that. Rand campaigned with his father since he was a child and it really seems to me that he is willing to do what it takes to beat these people at their own game. Honestly he probably does not have much of a chance anyway, but he probably has less a chance,allowing the media to use the same play book they used on Ron.

Agenda 21, PNAC, CODEX ALIMENTARIUS and UN biodiversity study. Help me understand why I shouldn't think there is a big agenda against the wishes of the masses.

Isn't saying he is just

Isn't saying he is just saying what the sheeple want to hear then doing the opposite what we despise in Government at the moment? Just because it is done to fool the people that have opposite view points to us isn't it still the same thing that we hate? Dr Paul was gaining traction because he stood by his principles and spoke the truth whether you liked it or not and I think any leader of the Liberty movement in America needs to follow that same principle. The people deserve to hear the truth however hard it may be to swallow or is it o.k to lie for the greater good.

The awakening began over the last 6 years and now with all this talk about 2nd amendment rights and info coming out about drone strikes etc...the time is right to continue the message that Ron started and say it with truth and total honesty/sincerity.

“The final forming of a person's character lies in their own hands.”

without truth, the movement

without truth, the movement will fail

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

Purist cant win

We went into this thinking finally we have a purist in Ron Paul. The world is not ready for that. If you are a purist as I am, you have come to the conclusion that we need to take liberty in baby steps. Rand will be the first step.

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You are so smart

You have ESP and can read people's minds. How else could you know what is going on in someone else's head? Wow that is so smart.

Of course, if you want to build support, it probably isn't too smart to say to people, "You are so stupid." That won't win you a lot of friends, that is for sure. Ha ha ha.

Anyway, if you want to persist in this kind of name calling, you can do it somewhere else.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

Im not here to make friends.

Im not here to make friends. I am here to restore liberty, and if it means pissing off like minded people who need a reality check then so be it.

Michael Nystrom's picture

If you're here to piss people off

Then you won't be here for long. I guarantee it.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

It is not my intention to

It is not my intention to piss people off on purpose. People just cant accept different views. I guarantee though someone will start a Rand Paul site and you will need to compete against that site if you cant rally the troops. It is your call if you are a team player or not.

Didn't Rick

Santorum say he voted like a liberal (paraphrasing) to be a "team player?" Well he said something along those lines: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SztEOeyrTsY

“When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.” – Dresden James

I see your viewpoint, but

Calling the majority of people on this website literally stupid.

Agenda 21, PNAC, CODEX ALIMENTARIUS and UN biodiversity study. Help me understand why I shouldn't think there is a big agenda against the wishes of the masses.

Literally stupid?

As opposed to being theoretically stupid?

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Actually it is your call

How about you start by changing your title so that it doesn't read, "You are all so stupid."

That is not the kind of community atmosphere I want to foster here. This is your warning.

People have different opinions. That is fine. I have no problem with that. Calling people stupid because they have a different opinion than yours - I do have a problem with that, and I'm not going to tolerate it.

So - the call is yours. Edit your title. If I have to do it, then I'll just ban you while I'm at it. It really makes no difference to me.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

I changed it for you. I love

I changed it for you. I love you.

Awwwww....

Michael, I love this place. It's been a huge part of my life for over 5 years now... And I deeply appreciate what you've done for liberty here. I couldn't be more sincere in saying so.

The anti-Rand stuff isn't really opinion, though. You kinda have to be stu... I mean, very non-observant, to not see through the Machiavellian tactics at play here.

It's a MASSIVE disservice to our hero, Ron Paul, to suggest that MILLIONS of us STRANGERS can hear and comprehend the philosophy of liberty... But his own son can't???

It's actually absurd. And frustrating to hear. I share in the OP'S frustration, but I don't agree that most people here are anti-Rand.

I guess Machiavellian tactics

Includes sanctions on Iran?

Michael Nystrom's picture

One never knows what is at play

Just go back to basics and what Ron Paul said: We're all individuals. Nobody gets a pass or a free ride because of who their dad is.

And if Rand is so good at fooling the neocons - who knows? Maybe he's really good at fooling you, too.

One of the things that is very important to ask yourself is, "Am I being a useful idiot?" I saw plenty of them in the past 6 years.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

I really wish you guys would create another site...

churchofrand.com is available, If I were you I'd snatch it up quick before some objectivists get it.

Check out the Laissez-Faire Journal at LFJournal.com


"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

If you're arguing that

2 + 2 = 22 then yes, it'd be hard to get people to accept that.

And just like that would be illogical, so is your thread.

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Ron couldn't have done it.

Ron couldn't have done it. There was no way he could and maintain his credibility and play politics at the same time.
As we saw in 08 and 12 it is impossible for an honest statesman to run for president and get elected no matter how qualified he is.
We all know Ron Paul was the only real candidate. We also know there is no integrity in the election primary/caucus/convention process as it stands.
For any change to happen someone needs to get their hands dirty and work their way through the machine before taking control of it.
For now, I am supporting Rand, I didn't at first when Ron was still running, but now I want to see where things go.
It is sort of a leap of faith.
What other choice do we have?

Rand is depending on that faith from those he feels will

Be there when he needs them. I know we live in a world of deception and infiltration is likely are only chance to save what we find dear to us. I don't see why it doesn't make sense to people. Rand isn't against his father and he is no idiot, he is playing the chess game.

Agenda 21, PNAC, CODEX ALIMENTARIUS and UN biodiversity study. Help me understand why I shouldn't think there is a big agenda against the wishes of the masses.

You are right, it's his

You are right, it's his secret plan all along. Along with al other CONgress members. They really about freedom, but they are fooling everyone else...

Are you for real or what?

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

Years of similar outcomes

Make you think lets do it again, against the media and your own party.

Agenda 21, PNAC, CODEX ALIMENTARIUS and UN biodiversity study. Help me understand why I shouldn't think there is a big agenda against the wishes of the masses.

If there is any way to save this country,

This is probably how we will have to do it. Rand may be deceiving us, but with what we have seen, it may be the only way. I think Rand is doing his best to not be marginalized. I've talked to many people about Ron Paul and most of them go back to national offense arguments. Some are stuck on the isolationist viewpoint. Some plain out think he is a flake. Rand isn't his father, but he has seen what his father has went through. If I were Ron Paul's son I would feel like this is my only way to break through the media and party propaganda. Rand knew his fathers campaign was complete before he began running for president.

Agenda 21, PNAC, CODEX ALIMENTARIUS and UN biodiversity study. Help me understand why I shouldn't think there is a big agenda against the wishes of the masses.