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Rand is fooling them into accepting him as mainstream. It is what we want!

I really think the majority of you are literally "sexy". We all know Rand Paul is going to fulfill his fathers vision, but you all get so offended when he tells the sheep what they want to hear. Get it through your "sexy" skulls, he is just playing politics. This is the way you win, and he is going to win in 2016.

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For goodness sakes, why can't

For goodness sakes, why can't folks accept the facts?

Rand ain't Ron. It's really not hard to understand if you just listen to the guy. Do you agree with your father on every political issue?

Rand is clearly more of a conservative with liberty leanings than a libertarian, whereas Ron is closer to being a purist libertarian.

Ron is close with libertarian purists, AnCaps like Lew Rockwell and Tom Woods, whereas Rand goes out of his way to disassociate himself from these and other purists.

Personally, I'm with Ron, but Rand is a decent pol - certainly on the right side of the liberty line - so there's no reason for the hate being directed at the guy.

And there's no reason to believe Rand is playing some kind of game. He strikes me as more honest than that. Where he is most like his father is this - he's a WYSIWYG congressman.

I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be. Albert Einstein

I was on the fence for while after his Robme endorsement

But I have faith in him. He's smart, sly, cunning and calculating. I can see now that he knows exactly what he's doing. I think in the end, he's going sweep the legs out from under the neocons leaving them on their backs seeing stars and the wind knocked out of them wondering what the hell just happened.

I see,

So you think that you are smarter than the neocons he is trying to fool?



Why do you ask?

LOL, indeed.

If they were very smart, they wouldn't be neocons would they? Of course, I'm talking about voters, which is who Rand is pandering to. He's not fooling the neocon establishment (who are smart), nor does he need to.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Lacking in tact...

...but absolutely true.

The people who still don't "get it" re what Rand's been doing...well, the problem lies in themselves, not in Rand.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

One minute Rand says something I totally agree with

and then the next you know he says something that is polor opposite of what I would expect to hear from RP, Judge Nap, or Tom Woods.

I honestly don't know what to make of Rand but since I now have zero confidence in our election system, what he says won't matter to me as far as voting goes...because I'm never voting again. I'm not a slave and I won't promote the vaildity of being ruled by picking a master.

I'm free. I choose to take responsiblity for myself.

I give no sanction to a process that has morphed from "consent of the governed" into a system of privilege for a few who pass legislation (that they don't have to follow) and creates indentured servants.

I totally agree with this

There is no chance Rand would be elected POTUS in 2016 without verbally and legislatively kissing Israel's ass now

So. Which would you rather have?

1) A lying backstabbing authoritarian psychopath that lies about foreign policy, civil liberties, monetary policy and the Constitution, then proceeds to SHAFT America on every account once elected?

(ala Bush/Obama)


2) A dedicated and shrewd statesman like Rand, who is one of our only allies in DC 95% of the time BUT lies about supporting Israel "no matter what" to get elected ... then pulls their aid (along with everyone elses) after taking the Oval Office.

Think hard.

Choose carefully

False choices.

You make it seem like yours are the ONLY choices available. They are not.

According to you, 3) doesn't exist.

3) A dedicated shrewd Statesman that stands on principles and integrity no matter the outcome.

3) has and always will be my choice.

I'm confident that there are others on this site that could come up with 4) and 5). Perhaps even 6).

Choice #3 doesn't get to be POTUS

So no, it's not an option.

We tried option #3, 3 times as a matter of fact...didn't work.

Have you been paying attention?

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

For quite some time now

The fact that you are of the opinion that it "didn't work" is no reason for me to abandon standing on the principles that this country was founded on.

I would rather lose and be able to say I did the right thing than win by not standing true.

Don't confuse our difference on this as an indication that I am unaware of what is happening around me.

I see

I would rather lose and be able to say I did the right thing than win by not standing true.

Then you and I have different priorities. We are not part of the same movement. The movement I'm part of wants (among many other things) to abolish the Fed, gut federal spending, lower taxes, eliminate entire regulatory agencies, dissolve the empire. These evidently are not your goals. Your goals are...something about maintaining your personal sense of honor. That's all well and good but it's got nothing to do with the liberty movement.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Golly Gee.

Does that mean I'm not welcome here anymore N.O.N.?

I guess it's too bad you weren't here 5½ years ago to let me know I'm not part of this movement and that wanting to maintain integrity has nothing to do with liberty.

Maybe then I wouldn't have spent all my time doing all the things I did only to find out that you don't approve and I'm not part of your movement.

Nah, I would have probably just not cared then like I don't if you have any honor or not.

I agree.

I think he's doing what he needs to do to fulfill his fathers vision.

"If this mischievous financial policy [greenbacks], which has its origin in North America, should become endurated down to a fixture, then that government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off its debts and be without debts. It will hav

If you are truly attempting to get people to trust you and......

....believe you, then you may not want to begin by insulting them with name calling. Just a suggestion.

If what you say is true about Rand saying what people want to hear while believing something completely different, then what makes him different from 99% of other politicians? Why should we honest, non-hypocrites trust him?


If what you say is true about Rand saying what people want to hear while believing something completely different, then what makes him different from 99% of other politicians?

What makes him different from other pandering politicians is that the "something" he believes in is liberty.

This is not the Honesty Movement, it's the Liberty Movement. Our goal is to realize the ideals of liberty. If the only way to do that is for our politicians to lie and pander, then so be it.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

I concur...

For those that don't...

Who are you going to vote for in 2016 when Dr. Ron Paul ENDORSES Dr. Rand Paul for President of the United States?

Rand Paul 2016 for Peace

So with that thought process we all should have supported

romney if ron paul endorsed him? Rand endorsed romney and used some excuse as to why he had to follow through with his vote. I don't need another politician who MIGHT do what's right, we have plenty of those already.

I don't vote how ron votes or due to his endorsement of someone but we might agree with certain candidates just like most here would. For example, I never liked Benton and he always kept him right next to him, I don't agree with that and never saw him as a benefit to the campaign in the least.

I don't see Rand like I see Ron. Rand is a politician ( plays the game ) and Ron is a statesman ( upholds the constitution no matter the opposition ).

If Ron endorses someone I disagree with, I won't simply vote that way because he did even though apparently many here would blindly vote wherever the "ron paul wind" blows.

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I don't blindly obey Dr. Paul.

Dr. Ron Paul has had my support because he is honest, which is exactly the complete opposite of what you are stating Rand Paul's strategy is.

I will support Ron Paul or Judge Napolitano, but not Rand Paul if he continues the way he is behaving. Why vote for another hypocritical liar?


If the only honest politician, Dr. Ron Paul, endorses for President of the United States, Dr. Rand Paul, who he sees as the best candidate to lead this country, that will not sway your vote?

Especially assuming there will be no other "liberty" candidates on the ballot.

Rand Paul 2016 for Peace

No. Dr. Paul can endorse anyone he chooses.

It is a free country. That does not mean I will vote the way someone else suggests. According to you we should all have voted for Romney since Rand Paul endorsed Romney.

It is my vote and my decision, I don't care what anyone else says. That is why I have been writing in Ron Paul for thirty years, even when everyone tells me it is a wasted vote. I vote for the best and most qualified candidate, whether or not their name is on the ballot.

You want to follow the leader. I follow my own conscience.


but this time my conscience vote will finally be for the WINNER.

I least I hope so. And I believe many here who bash Rand also hope so, just so that they can prove that they were "right" about Rand all along.

President Paul still has a great ring to it even if it's Rand. ;)

Rand Paul 2016 for Peace

-1 For two reasons.

1) Your title is really collectivist, a big no no. 2) You start your argument/case for Rand by calling those who do not trust him "stupid." What a way to win someone to your idea's, you're going to go far with that attitude.

“When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.” – Dresden James

Making Rand into a politician helps no one.

Leaving Rand free to be a Statesman may bear fruit. At least it doesn't kill the blossom.

Free includes debt-free!

Dr. Paul is a statesman. Rand

Dr. Paul is a statesman. Rand is willing to get his hands dirty.

I just don't see it.

What's wrong with telling Israel can be a puppet state of the US and accepting our sanctions on their behavior.

It is a statement not a vote.

Free includes debt-free!

To Take Out The Trash

You need to get your hands dirty, I just hope Rand doesn't pass the point of no return in playing the politics game.

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There are two schools of thought on how to further the cause

of Liberty.

1) speak plainly to the Remnant who will understand and seek you out.
2) alter your message to appeal to the masses, they are capable of waking up.

Maybe they are covering both bases.

Here's a far better explanation that I can give:



Thank you bro! My God, the Rand haters on here are crazy! I mean, Jesse Benton was just "Fooling" everyone at he came through in the end! Remember that? Anyone...anyone?

I'm just shocked that people think voting will turn this ship around.

“Facts don’t cease to exist because they are ignored.” – Aldous Huxley